Mystique losing her powers = symbolic rape victim?

[Dr. Fate]

Doesn't work for me, and my initial reaction to the question is that it's an insult to rape victims (well, you asked what we thought).

My bad.

 

[cardslinger]

Oh, I hope she doesn't forgive him. She's too smart for that.

In fact, if she and Magneto wind up getting their powers back, I'd think Magneto better watch out for Mystique. He left her like that and didn't care what happened to her.

Agreed.

 

[kah]

Kind of a plothole, huh?

not really, this one is okay with me. She easily could have known where the location was. And one could say that Magneto knew she would betray him, which is why he had MM pull off the illusion. That works.

 

[cardslinger]

not really, this one is okay with me. She easily could have known where the location was. And one could say that Magneto knew she would betray him, which is why he had MM pull off the illusion. That works.

That is what I thought when I saw the movie. Magneto knew Mystique well enouph to know that she would betray him.

 

[The Caped Knight]

I wouldn't have thought of that. Rebecca really did do the scene superbly, really giving off a feeling of total shame and humiliation.

I agree .

 

[Mystique_Lover]

I'm not saying she SHOULD forgive him i am saying that i think the writers have left it open for that, and if there is a new bad guy in X4 ie. Sinister then having a Mags group a Mystique group and an X-men group along with the humans would be a bit confusing don't you think ?

 

[micky-fox]

I'm not saying she SHOULD forgive him i am saying that i think the writers have left it open for that, and if there is a new bad guy in X4 ie. Sinister then having a Mags group a Mystique group and an X-men group along with the humans would be a bit confusing don't you think ?

Not if Mystique was out on her own, trying to get revenge on the man who betrayed her in her darkest hour. She could even side with the X-Men or go in disguise as one of The Brotherhood and try and cripple him from the inside.

 

[Dr. Fate]

Not if Mystique was out on her own, trying to get revenge on the man who betrayed her in her darkest hour. She could even side with the X-Men or go in disguise as one of The Brotherhood and try and cripple him from the inside.

Mystique joining the X-Men may finally give us the chance to see her and Rogue having an actual conversation. We deserve that, seeing as how she was Rogue's foster mother for a time in the comics.

 

[Denny67]

The problem with that scene is, because of the shots Ratner chose, you're not thinking how emotional it is, you're thinking, "Heyyyyy....she's naked".

Nothing wrong with naken but Agreed 100%.

Had he shot that and stayed in close (but not too close) to feel the pain for both her and Magneto, That moment that could have been conveyed much better and a lot more dramatically IMO.

I would lost a lot of the dialog, especially the line where Mags said “you are not one of us anymore.” IMO in that moment almost everything should have been felt through imagery and music (score).

Where you should have seen the full body shot of her is as Magneto and the rest of them were leaving the truck. A shot of them walking and talking in a somber tone at the camera. As they walk and pass the camera it cuts to the inside of the truck still close on Mystique. As the camera pans back and up, this is where you see her lying on the floor naked, vulnerable and looking very lost. The camera pans back, back and up with her frozen with fear and loss. Her head drops between her arms, she lays there curled in a ball, crushed. Fade to black end of scene. Cut!

That’s a wrap… Intern! Get me a Starbucks!

This scene also gives much more weight to her actions later in the movie. You get a real sense of how devoted she is to the cause.

 

[Drago]

The problem with that scene is, because of the shots Ratner chose, you're not thinking how emotional it is, you're thinking, "Heyyyyy....she's naked".

I think its important to have her naked, because when she loses her powers she loses her individuality- "naked" without her powers or however you want to interpret it, I thought it was important. ...Plus, she's Mystique, she doesn't where clothes.

As for symbolic rape, I wouldn't go that far, but I will agree that it shares a lot of that context- like rape making you feel helpless, alone, vulnerable, and so many others, those are the same feelings put into that scene (which is why its that much better when Magneto just leaves her, as if she meant nothing to him- we know on his end that he did care for her, but on hers she doesn't know that).

The only reason I say not 'symbolic rape' is because there are a lot more situations with those same alienation themes (that theme is pretty much the foundation of the X-films)

 

[symbspider33]

she was good in the punisher, and she was good in this movie! plain and simple this movie was great!

 

[Spider-Fan83]

Mystique's really a brunette who knew lol
I see what your saying about the symbolic rap thing, though i am sure that not what there were going for in that scene. and I don't see mystique forgiving him. was it just me or when anyone else was watching that final scene with megneto seating at the chest table waiting to see who he was seating with or for someone to showup, I was half expecting to see Raven (mystique)show up. (not sure why)

 

[Dr. Fate]

Nothing wrong with naken but Agreed 100%.

Had he shot that and stayed in close (but not too close) to feel the pain for both her and Magneto, That moment that could have been conveyed much better and a lot more dramatically IMO.

I would lost a lot of the dialog, especially the line where Mags said “you are not one of us anymore.” IMO in that moment almost everything should have been felt through imagery and music (score).

Where you should have seen the full body shot of her is as Magneto and the rest of them were leaving the truck. A shot of them walking and talking in a somber tone at the camera. As they walk and pass the camera it cuts to the inside of the truck still close on Mystique. As the camera pans back and up, this is where you see her lying on the floor naked, vulnerable and looking very lost. The camera pans back, back and up with her frozen with fear and loss. Her head drops between her arms, she lays there curled in a ball, crushed. Fade to black end of scene. Cut!

That’s a wrap… Intern! Get me a Starbucks!

This scene also gives much more weight to her actions later in the movie. You get a real sense of how devoted she is to the cause.

 

[Mr. Socko]

I hated Magneto leaving her behind.

 

[Drago]

I hated Magneto leaving her behind.

I kind of enjoyed it- Magneto is all about humans being inferior and having so much pride in your gifts, so suddenly throwing him in a situation that challenged that was pretty cool. I think either choice (leaving her or not) would involve a pretty equal amount of sacrifice. Plus it just made it that much more sad and that much more of a loss of identity for her, having her lose Eric.

I just wish that there was a different ending for Mags than that last minute chess scene, where we see the two of them reunited as humans- they each felt more alienated than ever being human, so having them able to identify with eachother after being cured would have been good closure for their relationship I think (sad, but fitting).

 

[Dr. Fate]

I kind of enjoyed it- Magneto is all about humans being inferior and having so much pride in your gifts, so suddenly throwing him in a situation that challenged that was pretty cool. I think either choice (leaving her or not) would involve a pretty equal amount of sacrifice. Plus it just made it that much more sad and that much more of a loss of identity for her, having her lose Eric.

I just wish that there was a different ending for Mags than that last minute chess scene, where we see the two of them reunited as humans- they each felt more alienated than ever being human, so having them able to identify with eachother after being cured would have been good closure for their relationship I think (sad, but fitting).

Works for me.

Or maybe they did have an ending like that in mind but it just didn't go over well with test audiences. That happens sometimes.