NBC's ''Timeless''

[Marvolo]

If they have to cut the episode number to secure a second season thats fine with me. Id rather this show have 13 episode seasons than 20+ episode seasons.

 

[coluanprime]

Here's some spin from NBC - they're mulling moving it to Fridays like we've speculated to an earlier timeslot. A reduced budget and 13 episode order and it may do better than Emerald City. The former head of scheduling for NBC/Fox has said you only want a handful of new shows to promote in the fall and that the data backs up keeping some toss up shows as you don't have to spend that much marketing them.

8PM makes a lot more sense as a time slot than the current one ever did.

Also, YES! I F***IN KNEW IT!!!!!! YOU DO NOT CAST SUSANNA FREAKING THOMPSON AS THE GENERIC SWEET MOTHER FIGURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'M SO HAPPY SHE'S GOING TO GET ACTUAL STUFF TO DO NEXT SEASON (hopefully...)!!!!

 

[ComicChick]

with an ending like that, they better give me season 2.

also, the Jiya potential storyline kinda reminds me of later seasons of Fringe. I can dig it

 

[Marvolo]

I would punch her in the tit, tie her ass up, throw her in my trunk, and drive her somewhere to stew until I could deal with her.

Spoiler

Mother or not, when you find out your mother is a part of an organization that makes the Nazis seem quaint by comparison you don't hold back just because she birthed you.

**** that *****.

 

[ComicChick]

i'm not sure if Lucy is holding back or just in shock. it makes me wonder how much her Mother has known all along. I'll also assume her mom was Rittenhouse in the original timeline as well.

since Flynn said Lucy gave him the book when she was older, it made me wonder if he was even from this timeline, like when did the events that killed his family take place? i dont remember anything giving it away in the flashback, but it had to have happened since 1954 since Lucy was able to get the info from her Grandpa's notes.

Her Grandpa seemed like a very nice guy, it's a shame his son ended up a monster

 

[Marvolo]

I thought the last 15 minutes (before the cliffhanger) seemed way way way too easy and like everything was working out too perfectly. It even had a tagged-on feel-good wrap-up for a season finale that has to act as a series finale vibe. But after watching the last scene, if there is a season 2, I'm betting that all the victories in the season 1 finale will be undone in season 2. Rittenhouse will probably use the mothership to go back in time and stop Lucy's grandfather from accumulating any evidence against Rittenhouse. They could easily blackmail him with his homosexuality. Or they might undo a lot more that's happened this season.

 

[Dr.]

I was a bit disappointed with this finale. It’s almost as if a two-hour episode had been edited down to one - resulting in some clumsy jumps and omissions in the narrative.

For instance, Lucy staying behind in 1954 with Flynn was kind of dramatic and seemed to be a setup for a major plot point. But in the next scene, Lucy and Wyatt are back in the present to chat with grandpa.

 

[X-Ray]

It seems grandpa missed a few spots or another division of Rittenhouse altogether. A womens division? Noticed how before it was predominately male. After the crack down, the women of Rittenhouse are now coming out. Emma. Lucy's mom.

If a season 2 happens, we might see female historic figures in the mix on Flynn's hit list.

The comment by the mom about how they would never allow her to get sick and die like that. Leaves me to believe she was not a member in the original timeline. Something the gang did changed that. Unless the first mission was really about saving her from a sickly death.

since Flynn said Lucy gave him the book when she was older, it made me wonder if he was even from this timeline, like when did the events that killed his family take place? i dont remember anything giving it away in the flashback, but it had to have happened since 1954 since Lucy was able to get the info from her Grandpa's notes.

Flynn is a present day figure. They've talked about his loss in past tense. Most likely a Lucy from the future time traveled back. Meaning this fight against Rittenhouse will be a long fought one. Hopefully the show gets another season to show us this fight.

 

[Shifty]

I was a bit disappointed with the finale but there was always that diary hanging around - not everything was going to be wrapped up perfectly. I was getting tired of them chasing Flynn each week (they did try to change things in a couple episodes) so it will be interesting to see what they do next year since he's now a prisoner and neutralized.

I'm also a bit tired of Rittenshouse after one season but the twist with her mom definitely opens up more drama for Lucy and the gang. I was hoping Rittenhouse would actually get blown up in the 1950s and when returning to the present, America is a military dictatorship.

Interview with co-creator Shawn Ryan about the finale and a potential season two.

Timeless’ Season Finale: Shawn Ryan On Big Twist & Reset For Potential Season 2
by Nellie Andreeva
February 20, 2017 8:00pm

SPOILER ALERT: This story contains details about the Season 1 finale of NBC series Timeless.

NBC’s freshman drama Timeless ended its 16-episode first season tonight. Unlike the network’s other new two series that launched in September, drama This Is Us and comedy The Good Place, which already have been renewed, Timeless is yet to learn its fate following strong reviews, devoted core following and modest ratings. But in the Season 1 finale, the show did not play it safe. After wrapping the season-long story arc with a nice bow — Rittenhouse eradicated and Lucy (Abigail Spencer) and Garcia Flynn (Goran Visnjic) about to get their loved ones back — there was a jolt in the final minutes with a major twist and a big cliffhanger ending where Lucy’s mom was revealed as a Rittenhouse bigwig, and Flynn’s partner in his fight against Rittenhouse, Emma (Annie Wersching), turned out to be a Rittenhouse operative as the shadowy organization took control of the time machine it had been planning to use to change history in ways that would give it world domination.

In an interview with Deadline, Shawn Ryan, who co-created and executive produces Timeless with Eric Kripke, talks about the plot twist and its aftermath for Lucy, Wyatt (Matt Lanter) and their budding romance. He also addresses the fate of Flynn, who ended the finale behind bars, Lucy’s relationship with her mom, Jiya’s (Claudia Domit) new powers, and other elements of the plans for a potential second season of the time-travel drama which he and Kripke will pitch to NBC later this spring:

DEADLINE: Up until the last few minutes, the series was heading to a happy ending. Why did you decide to add the major cliffhanger at the end?
SHAWN RYAN: We had thought for awhile about what the best way was to give some closure for Season 1 while also setting us up for a new dynamic in Season 2. We wanted to bring Garcia Flynn’s journey to some kind of end, though I’m sure we’ll see more of him going forward. So while many people might see our Season 1 conclusion as a cliffhanger, we see it as a wrap-up of Season 1 and a launch point for Season 2.

DEADLINE: Did you have an alternate ending that would serve as a series finale in case Timeless does not come back?
SHAWN RYAN: No. Eric and I planned for success. We’ve been working towards this ending ever since the season began.

DEADLINE: In the cliffhanger, Rittenhouse takes control over the time machine. What is the plan for Season 2? Will our heroes continue to chase the mothership, trying to prevent Rittenhouse from implementing their sinister plan?
SHAWN RYAN: We are working on our overall plan for Season 2 right now and we’ll pitch it to NBC in April, so I’m reluctant to get too much into it because we’ll want to take a deep breath and evaluate the whole season before we commit to what we want to do in Season 2. What I can say is the current plan involves our heroes traveling to the past to stop history from being perverted and changed too much.

DEADLINE: What will be the general theme for Season 2?
SHAWN RYAN: Too early to tell for sure.

DEADLINE: What will be Lucy’s mom role going forward, and why wasn’t she arrested along with 100+ Rittenhouse members in the government sweep?
SHAWN RYAN: Lucy’s mom will be influential in Season 2. We don’t presume that every member of Rittenhouse was identified and apprehended in the first 48 hours after our heroes returned from 1954, though the organization was definitely dealt a big blow. So we will owe an answer in Season 2 as to why Lucy’s mom was one of the Rittenhouse members not to be identified right away.

DEADLINE: Had she been onto the time machine project from the very beginning, including the arrangement of Lucy’s involvement in it?
SHAWN RYAN: Yes. Eric and I had it in our minds even from pilot stage that Carol was secretly a part of Rittenhouse and was keeping her eye on Lucy this whole time.

DEADLINE: How would the mother-daughter relationship factor into the developments of Season 2?
SHAWN RYAN: A little early to say but I imagine this mother/daughter dynamic will be important in Season 2. Just like in Season 1 we think it’s important to investigate how these trips to the past affect and are affected by their relationships in the present.

DEADLINE: Will Flynn resurface in Season 2 or did his story arc end with the season 1 finale?
SHAWN RYAN: Well, Goran was fantastic for us this season and I don’t think we’ve seen the end of Garcia Flynn on the show, though obviously his role would be different going forward

DEADLINE: How did Emma, seemingly a fugitive on a mission to take down Rittenhouse, turn out to be a Rittenhouse operative? Is she earmarked for a major role in the Season 2 developments?
SHAWN RYAN: We will definitely owe some answers and explanations for this in Season 2, but once again, it was always our plan that she was secretly Rittenhouse and she was hiding out in the 1880s for Rittenhouse reasons that we will need to explain. We’ll see what stories we want to tell and how available our actress is to be on the show!

DEADLINE: What is happening with Jiya? Do her seizures allow her to jump through time? What is the significance of that going forward?
SHAWN RYAN: We gave a little hint in the season finale that Jiya has been changed by her trip in the Lifeboat. I wouldn’t say that we’re indicating that Jiya can jump through time, but instead, that she can see different points in time from the same place. How this will affect her and how and if she’ll be able to channel this skill in a way that will aid the team is something we’ll explore.

DEADLINE: Is there romance in the cards for Lucy and Wyatt as he finally feels ready to make piece with the past?
SHAWN RYAN: Certainly, at the end of the season finale Wyatt seems to have had a big change of heart in terms of looking forward (towards Lucy?) rather than looking back (towards his deceased wife). The two seem to be on a romantic collision course, but we’ll use this hiatus to discuss if, and how quickly, that’s something we want to explore.

DEADLINE: Will Lucy be able to get her sister back or will she succumb to her Rittenhouse fate as her parents suggested?
SHAWN RYAN: I certainly think she’s going to continue to try to get her sister back. We’ll see if her mother or father can persuade her otherwise.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I should have known, never trust Susanna Thompson!

I agree with Dr. that it felt rushed in parts but overall it was a solid finale that sets things up for season 2 with 2 new central villains in Emma and Lucy's mom, as well as an interesting new direction for Jiya, plus it looks like Lucy and Wyatt are going to be heading towards lurve.

I don't really to see much more of Flynn's whiny ass in season 2.

 

[Dark Raven]

Isn't Annie Wersching in Runaways? How will she be the villain and essentially play the Flynn role in season 2?

That was a surprise with Susanna Thompson.

I thought they were wrapping up the series. It looked very much like a finale so it was definitely a twist in the end. Hopefully we'll be able to see more adventures.

But is Mason really on their side? Who controls the Lifeboat now? Is it still Rittenhouse? Or will Mason Industries function as a separate opposing organization to them now?

Maybe it's this incident with finding out about her mother that prompts Lucy to write the diary. And maybe they go back in time one day to give it to Flynn from the past.

But even if Flynn blew up the Rittenhouse meeting he wouldn't have gotten everyone since it seems there are others who are probably secretly part of it.

 

[Dark Raven]

Speaking of Runaways, isn't Lucy like one of them? She finds out that both her parents are villains.

 

[Golgo-13]

This ep felt like a series finale to me.

Everything felt rushed; Jiya showing up with the gang, Flynn arrested, Mason and Denise back in charge of Mason Industries...sure there was a bit of a cliff hanger with Lucy's mom (who didn't see that coming?) and Emma being Rittenhouse, but none of it was season 2 worthy imo.

Hope is does get another season.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

It felt like they had two different endings planned and maybe the two were shot? One maybe closed the book on the show and the other one was more open for a continuation? I just that had that feeling while watching, it was strange.

DEADLINE: Did you have an alternate ending that would serve as a series finale in case Timeless does not come back?
SHAWN RYAN: No. Eric and I planned for success. We’ve been working towards this ending ever since the season began.

I see that he denied it but I had that feel while watching it.

 

[Marvolo]

This ep felt like a series finale to me.

Everything felt rushed; Jiya showing up with the gang, Flynn arrested, Mason and Denise back in charge of Mason Industries...sure there was a bit of a cliff hanger with Lucy's mom (who didn't see that coming?) and Emma being Rittenhouse, but none of it was season 2 worthy imo.

Hope is does get another season.

I didnt see the mom twist coming at all. She was barely on screen throughout the season and there were no hints or indications throughout the season so it blindsided me.

 

[Golgo-13]

If we get a season 2, i hope there's more ripple effects shown on things that are changed in the past having alot more noticeable changes in the present. That one event being changed caused Lucy's sister not to be born and her being engaged to a doctor but that's it..? Seems very inconsistent.

Jiya seems to be having visions of the future..can the life boat go forward, or only backwards? I know Flynn said he got Lucy's diary from her when she was older but that was in the mothership.

 

[Dark Raven]

Did Jiya have visions of the future? I thought her vision was of the golden gate bridge being built not that it was destroyed.

 

[Marvolo]

Did Jiya have visions of the future? I thought her vision was of the golden gate bridge being built not that it was destroyed.

It looked like it was being built so I also thought it was the past.

 

[Dark Raven]

If Lucy's mother was always Rittenhouse, even in the previous timeline, maybe she was pulling the strings and part of the intended outcome of the first mission was that she would get well again in the process. Maybe she even is aware she had another daughter (or maybe she's forgotten), but perhaps she knew that this Hindenberg mission would erase Lucy's sister but she thought it was a necessary sacrifice to put things in motion and to regain her health.

But why is she not married to Ben Cahill? Why aren't they a Rittenhouse family?

 

[SuperBatman]

If they have to cut the episode number to secure a second season thats fine with me. Id rather this show have 13 episode seasons than 20+ episode seasons.

I think all TV series should take this route. 20-22 episodes is way 2 long 13-16 is Fine plus they might be able to tell the story rather than adding in Fillers and maybe take less breaks.

 

[Shifty]

Isn't Annie Wersching in Runaways? How will she be the villain and essentially play the Flynn role in season 2?

Ryan mentioned in the Deadline interview they hope to have her back and are aware her time may be limited.

Runaways started filming on February 10 so if Timeless gets a second season, the earliest they could start filming is in July.

That's plenty of time to film 10 episodes for Runaways.

 

[Dark Raven]

Well I guess they would have to divide their time between Annie Wersching and Susanna Thompson as the main villains.

I do still wonder if Mason will be forming a separate organisation with essentially the same staff (the time team, Agent Christopher and Jiya) to now stop Rittenhouse. Maybe joined by Flynn?

Shouldn't Wersching have some team mates though on her missions? What is even her character name anyway?

 

[X-Ray]

Her name is Emma. I believe she was the 2nd pilot after Rufus's mentor, Anthony, who Flynn later kills. I don't remember her mentioning teammates. But after the reveal, we can't really take her words anymore.

 

[ComicChick]

If Lucy's mother was always Rittenhouse, even in the previous timeline, maybe she was pulling the strings and part of the intended outcome of the first mission was that she would get well again in the process. Maybe she even is aware she had another daughter (or maybe she's forgotten), but perhaps she knew that this Hindenberg mission would erase Lucy's sister but she thought it was a necessary sacrifice to put things in motion and to regain her health.

But why is she not married to Ben Cahill? Why aren't they a Rittenhouse family?

wasn't her thing with Cahill a fling in college? am i remembering that story right? of course, that could've been a lie and they really just united to bring to powerful families together to make a powerful baby

 

[ComicChick]

also, i wonder how long Emma was in the past and how exactly she got there? was she dropped off? did she pilot herself? if she did, what machine did she take?