Nell2ThaIzzay's "Last Stand"

[danoyse]

That's the kind of attitude that's getting people upset with you...

Bingo. And the rest of your post, LastSunrise...was fine. You stated why you're so upset and disappointed. I even agree with a few of your comments about how the movie should have been bigger (I think we all agree with that).

If someone else was fine with it, who cares? I don't think less of your taste because you were disappointed. It's just not healthy to get so worked up over someone else being content with something you didn't like. Why should it matter? We have no control over these things. Calling them names isn't going to make people see it your way.

It doesn't mean that others will accept anything, I just don't think they built it up as much as you did, so that sense of betrayal you express in so many of your posts, we're just not feeling the same.

You wanted it to be the movie to end all movies, which, according to the writers, it was going to be. I work in marketing, I know when people are trying to sell you something...so I take that kind of talk with a grain of salt. Hugh Jackman was on the Tonight Show talking about how *it was always planned to be the last one* and even Jay Leno told him he was full of it. That's the same attitude I had.

Frankly, with all the behind-the-scenes drama, I was just hoping it wouldn't suck.

And I was pleasantly surprised...I thought it was great. Could have been a little longer, it desperately needed some story/character development, but it still turned out (in my opinion) to be a bloody good movie. I saw it again and liked it even more. I saw an ad for the DVD at the mall yesterday, and I can't wait to get that, either.

I don't blindly accept whatever I'm given. If I thought it had sucked, I would have thought it sucked. But I liked it. I'm sorry some people didn't, but there's nothing I can do about that.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

What I posted was the truth about the film and the posters, learn the difference.

No, what you posted was insulting, the very thing you complain about people doing to you, and then getting mad when people get upset with your attitude.

What you posted was saying that anyone who likes the movie is lesser than you. If you truly believe that's the truth, then you really do need to leave.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

No, what you posted was insulting, the very thing you complain about people doing to you, and then getting mad when people get upset with your attitude.

What you posted was saying that anyone who likes the movie is lesser than you. If you truly believe that's the truth, then you really do need to leave.

Anyone who compares X3 to the likes of Return of the King, X2, Spider-Man 1 and 2, Starman, Superman Returns, POTC2, Platoon, The Shining, Lawrence of Arabia, and Close Encounters of the Third Kind are the ones that need to leave, really.

But hey, since I respect you as a poster I'm not going to post in this thread anymore. I don't want it to get closed, so you can go ahead and have your 24/7 praise X3 thread.

 

[danoyse]

Anyone who compares X3 to the likes of Return of the King, X2, Spider-Man 1 and 2, Starman, Superman Returns, POTC2, Platoon, The Shining, Lawrence of Arabia, and Close Encounters of the Third Kind are the ones that need to leave, really.

No one is.

Starman???

But hey, since I respect you as a poster I'm not going to post in this thread anymore. I don't want it to get closed, so you can go ahead and have your 24/7 praise X3 thread.

What was that line in "Ragtime"? "You have travelled everywhere, but you have learned nothing!"

 

[The Original Bamfer]

Anyone who compares X3 to the likes of Return of the King, X2, Spider-Man 1 and 2, Starman, Superman Returns, POTC2, Platoon, The Shining, Lawrence of Arabia, and Close Encounters of the Third Kind are the ones that need to leave, really.

Those are your opinions - We don't have to agree.

But hey, since I respect you as a poster I'm not going to post in this thread anymore. I don't want it to get closed, so you can go ahead and have your 24/7 praise X3 thread.

You don't even see the point, don't you? You can dislike this movie, You can debate with us. You can ask us questions. But you could do all those things with respect. Respect us, respect our opinions - Like we respect you (when you aren't acting like a little ****). A lot of us are fine with you not liking the movie, we don't care. I'm not pressuring you to like it or butchering you for not. But you should return the same to us.

 

[danoyse]

At it's foundation, it's core, it has the potential to just utterly surpass even X2 in every category. But the execution doesn't cut it, and even though it does certain aspects better than even X2, the film as a whole doesn't surpass X2. And it's a shame, because this movie could have been so much more. And for that, I do blame the writers, because they were the ones that couldn't write a script to fully flesh out the story, and blame Fox all you want, but Kinberg has admited that it was their idea to kill of Cyclops anyways. I don't think they neccesarily did a bad job, but they didn't really do a good one either, and it was the power of the characters, and the attempt to remain consistant with the first 2 that really powered this movie to victory.

That's something I've noticed in these Q&A's with the writers...it seems that every time someone asks about a story arc in X3 they didn't like, they say that Fox made them do it, or that it was because of Halle or Hugh.

Do they take any credit for anything they wrote, or just blame everyone else when someone tells them they didn't like it?

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Anyone who compares X3 to the likes of Return of the King, X2, Spider-Man 1 and 2, Starman, Superman Returns, POTC2, Platoon, The Shining, Lawrence of Arabia, and Close Encounters of the Third Kind are the ones that need to leave, really.

I don't see what's so wrong about someone holding X-Men: The Last Stand to those levels.

For instance, I hated The Shining. I don't think it resembled the book in the slightest, and thought it was a bad effort at movie making. I would rate X-Men: The Last Stand as a highly superior movie.

And even though I did like them, I think the "X-Men" franchise on a whole trumps the "Spiderman" franchise. They are done well, but to me, Spiderman is a really generic superhero.

Same goes for Superman Returns. Well done movie, I enjoyed it, but the character is one that I have little interest in.

I have different criteria for what makes a good movie than you do. I just explained why. My reasoning is no lesser than your's.

But hey, since I respect you as a poster I'm not going to post in this thread anymore. I don't want it to get closed, so you can go ahead and have your 24/7 praise X3 thread.

Stop playing the victim. Stop trying to manipulate everything into making it like nobody likes you, and you're a martyr. You sound like my mother.

I don't care who posts in this thread. I started this thread for discussion, and I'm thrilled it's on page 9, or whatever it's on now. I just don't like the back and forth bashing. It has nothing to do with who does and doesn't praise the movie. I want people to have different opinions...

Let me make this loud and clear so you CAN'T play victim any longer:

I WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS ABOUT THE MOVIE, AND THAT INCLUDES NOT LIKING IT. I WANT DEBATE ABOUT THE MOVIE BETWEEN THOSE WHO LIKED IT, AND THOSE WHO DIDN'T.

What I don't want is attitude like you're bringing, with the whole "I'm better than you because I didn't like X-Men: The Last Stand, because my tastes are too good for movies like that, and anyone who does like it has inferior taste and I am better than them" I don't want that attitude. I have to deal with that on my other message board I frequent over rap music, and how if you like certain rap music, you are lesser than someone who likes another form of rap music, or doesn't like rap at all. It's annoying.

And also, let me just make this clear:

I USE THOSE WHO DIDN'T LIKE IT, BASHING THOSE WHO DID, MERELY AS AN EXAMPLE BECAUSE OF OUR MOST RECENT INSTANCE. I DON'T WANT PEOPLE WHO LIKED THE MOVIE BASHING THOSE WHO DIDN'T, EITHER.

Now, stop playing the victim, and take part in the conversation.

If all you are going to do is insult, play the victim, and act like you did with your previous posts, then no, I don't want you in my thread.

But whether you like it or not, if you can be intelligent in your discussions, then yes, I want you in my thread.

There can be no discussion if everyone agrees.

 

[Cyrusbales]

For instance, I hated The Shining. I don't think it resembled the book in the slightest, and thought it was a bad effort at movie making. I would rate X-Men: The Last Stand as a highly superior movie.

 

[danoyse]

For instance, I hated The Shining. I don't think it resembled the book in the slightest, and thought it was a bad effort at movie making. I would rate X-Men: The Last Stand as a highly superior movie.

And that's a good point. I think "The Shining" was a great movie...but it was a lousy adaptation of the book. As great as Jack Nicholson was...he wasn't anything like the novel's Jack Torrence.

My favorite Stephen King book is "Salem's Lot". I know people who think the 1979 movie is one of the scariest movies ever made, but I hate it because it butchered the book.

It's not better or worse than anyone else's opinion, but it's just a different perspective. You can debate what you liked compared to what someone else liked, and why you disagree...but I'm not better because I read the book, and they're not lesser than me because they didn't.

I have different criteria for what makes a good movie than you do. I just explained why. My reasoning is no lesser than your's.

Exactly.

I don't care who posts in this thread. I started this thread for discussion, and I'm thrilled it's on page 9, or whatever it's on now. I just don't like the back and forth bashing. It has nothing to do with who does and doesn't praise the movie. I want people to have different opinions...

It's one thread that actually addresses the bashing, and it's good to know that most people are as sick of it as I am.

What I don't want is attitude like you're bringing, with the whole "I'm better than you because I didn't like X-Men: The Last Stand, because my tastes are too good for movies like that, and anyone who does like it has inferior taste and I am better than them" I don't want that attitude. I have to deal with that on my other message board I frequent over rap music, and how if you like certain rap music, you are lesser than someone who likes another form of rap music, or doesn't like rap at all. It's annoying.

Same goes with theater message boards...only *intelligent* people like a certain composer, *tourists* only like another, etc. They really give plenty of backup to the phrase "theater snob" with some of the discussion that go on.

Now, stop playing the victim, and take part in the conversation.

If all you are going to do is insult, play the victim, and act like you did with your previous posts, then no, I don't want you in my thread.

But whether you like it or not, if you can be intelligent in your discussions, then yes, I want you in my thread.

There can be no discussion if everyone agrees.

That's right...no one's out to get you, LastSunrise. You can say why you hate the movie to your heart's content. Just quit bashing everyone else who does. We care about your opinion of the movie, not the people you disagree with about it.

No one's kicking you out of any thread. They just want you to act like an adult when you post on one. Nearly everyone else does.

 

[La_She-Beast]

For instance, I hated The Shining. I don't think it resembled the book in the slightest, and thought it was a bad effort at movie making. I would rate X-Men: The Last Stand as a highly superior movie.

No... no... please... stop... Nell2ThaIzzay, you're being brainwashed... you're not Nell2ThaIzzay. That's it, you're definetely not him

Seriously speaking exactly why do you think it made a bad effort at movie making? (I loved the Shining, I thought Jack Nicholson... well, words can't describe how well his perfomance was) And why this all of a sudden a "highly superior movie"?

 

[Boba_Fett_123]

I think Nell meant highly superior to The Shining, and then only in his opinion, and then mostly to prove a point.

 

[La_She-Beast]

^Oh I see... but even so... I think he saw the wrong movie. Really. I can't... I can't... no... unbelievable.

 

[Jan Irisi]

Well, I think anyone who really views this film as a "good film" really has no taste in what is considered to be good ot great films.

Hmmm. here's a question for everyone.

Should those who read, collect and follow comic books be told that they have no taste in what is good or great literature?




Whether or not one enjoys a film is a subjective matter, not objective. Tastes in music, literature, film, theatre or art is subjective.

 

[danoyse]

Hmmm. here's a question for everyone.

Should those who read, collect and follow comic books be told that they have no taste in what is good or great literature?

No more than someone who thinks comic books are junk should think they have some sort of intellectual superiority over people who love comic books.

 

[Jan Irisi]

No more than someone who thinks comic books are junk should think they have some sort of intellectual superiority over people who love comic books.

I see. Yet those who like this film have no taste?

 

[danoyse]

I see. Yet those who like this film have no taste?

According to some, that's even the truth.

But according to the rest of us, opinion is not truth, and open to interpretation...which can be debated without name calling or baseless accusations.

 

[Jan Irisi]

According to some, that's even the truth.

But according to the rest of us, opinion is not truth, and open to interpretation...which can be debated without name calling or baseless accusations.

Ahhh.....


I am reminded of the old saying...."Beauty is in the eye of the beholder".

 

[newwaveboy87]

What I posted was the truth about the film and the posters, learn the difference.

no, it's YOUR truth about the film and the posters.
learn the difference.

your truth is not my truth. for, what we're really talking about here is opinion. not fact.

 

[WorthyStevens]

Well, I think anyone who really views this film as a "good film" really has no taste in what is considered to be good ot great films.

Ok...

While X3 obviously could've been much, MUCH better I still found it to be a good movie, despite the many flaws with it. And I'm pretty sure I have some good taste...

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Ok...

While X3 obviously could've been much, MUCH better I still found it to be a good movie, despite the many flaws with it. And I'm pretty sure I have some good taste...

You enjoyed it Worthy, but you also recognize its flaws and don't follow it blindly. Plus you were there from the beginning as part of the struggle, battling and debating with Kurosawa, and so on.

So you understand yourself where I'm coming from. And yes, you recognize great films and have great taste in movies.

But those who LOVE this movie enjoy films like Rush Hour, AVP, Gigli, and Resident Evil type films.

 

[danoyse]

You enjoyed it Worthy, but you also recognize its flaws and don't follow it blindly. Plus you were there from the beginning as part of the struggle, battling and debating with Kurosawa, and so on.

So you understand yourself where I'm coming from. And yes, you recognize great films and have great taste in movies.

But those who LOVE this movie enjoy films like Rush Hour, AVP, Gigli, and Resident Evil type films.

Yes, and the people who LOVE this movie also believe they saw Elvis in the drive-thru at McDonald's last week, getting served by the Easter Bunny.

I've never even seen the movies you listed above that you claim I enjoy.

Do you even read a thing that anyone posts? Or do you just make these crazy assumptions because you love the attention you get from making them??

 

[chaseter]

The last two posts are the reason why Nell posted this thread and the reason why I am sick and tired of all these @ssholes in here f***ing bashing people who like this movie. Sorry you didn't like the movie, sorry you have to make us hear about why you didn't like it, sorry your complaints 6 months later won't change anything...sorry.

Saying that people who love X3 also like Gigli and other 'type films' is total bulls***. Yea I am also sure people who loved the movie saw Elvis at McDonalds.

I think people who hated the movie are 40 year old sexually single comic dinosaurs that live in their parent's basement trolling around on message boards all day.

I liked the movie...it had its flaws and could have been great. It was not bad at all...a good popcorn flick. But for y'all to sit here and bash people who loved or really liked the movie is wrong...sorry but this place lately has just started to piss me off. This board use to be the single best board on SHH. That title goes to the Spidey boards now.

 

[The Batman]

I've gotta admit, sunrise, at this point you're being extreme.

Your kinda making assumptions on posters that isnt true.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

You enjoyed it Worthy, but you also recognize its flaws and don't follow it blindly. Plus you were there from the beginning as part of the struggle, battling and debating with Kurosawa, and so on.

So you understand yourself where I'm coming from. And yes, you recognize great films and have great taste in movies.

But those who LOVE this movie enjoy films like Rush Hour, AVP, Gigli, and Resident Evil type films.

Here from the beginning? None of us were? You seem to be the one who's blind.

You assume the people who merely enjoyed this film "LOVE" it - which isn't quite accurate. Then you base the "FOX loyalist" and "Wolverine Fans" assumptions on the fact that you assume we "LOVE" this film. And because you assume we're "FOX Loyalists and Wolverine Fans", which may I remind you are assumptions you made in the first place, and that we "LOVE" this film; you assume we're "blind" and "don't know what good story telling is." But because we "LOVE" this movie and because we're "FOX Loyalists" and "Wolverine Fans" and because we're "blind" and we "don't know what good story telling is" you then continue to say we're "not intelligent." And on top of all of this ****, we "LOVE" this movie, we're "FOX loyalists" and "Wolverine Fans", we're "blind" and we "don't know what good story telling is", we're really "not" that "intelligent", but we also have "no taste" - Why? Because we don't agree with you. Now we "like Gigli and AVP."

And yet, you have no facts to base any of this on for half of us.

Nope, you judge us based on your own ****ed up assumptions.

Who's "blind" and "not intelligent" now?

 

[newwaveboy87]

I've gotta admit, sunrise, at this point you're being extreme.

Your kinda making assumptions on posters that isnt true.

he went beyond that point long ago.