New And Improved Green Arrow Vs. Batman

[celldog]

I just read GA #66. He seems to be taking a crash course in Bat-ology. How do you think these two would fair in a fight now??

 

[The Question]

I don't know. Batman is a very polished fighter, whereas Green Arrow is more of a street fighter. Neither is particularly better than the other. Batman is simply more formal in his combat techniques. Green Arrow's still got alot of experience and is more than willing to fight dirty. And in any event, GA could simply snipe Batman from a rooftop over, then kick him in the nuts when he's down.

 

[CConn]

More like Deathstroke-ology.

Still, Batman is the best martial artist in the DCU, I doubt even with the improvements Ollie would fair all that well.

 

[Motown Marvel]

im not too sure how a feel about ollie becoming a master martial artist....while i love GA, he's essentially a poor mans batman....and DC did a lot of work through the late 70's-80's to get him away from that association, but this isnt helping any.

 

[BrianWilly]

I like it. For the first time in a while, I'm excited for what's going on in Ollie's world.

I don't think he could beat Batman though, at least not in a mano a mano situation. A year of crash course assassin-fu does not equate to a lifetime of obsessive, nearly masochistic training.

 

[The Question]

More like Deathstroke-ology.

Still, Batman is the best martial artist in the DCU, I doubt even with the improvements Ollie would fair all that well.

I really don't see why Batman has that much of an advantage. Bruce is a more formal fighter, but Ollie has years of combat experience himself. He may not be trained in all of those fancy moves, but experience is vastly more important than wether you can do a crane kick or not.

 

[celldog]

I like it. For the first time in a while, I'm excited for what's going on in Ollie's world.

I don't think he could beat Batman though, at least not in a mano a mano situation. A year of crash course assassin-fu does not equate to a lifetime of obsessive, nearly masochistic training.

good point

 

[CConn]

I really don't see why Batman has that much of an advantage. Bruce is a more formal fighter, but Ollie has years of combat experience himself. He may not be trained in all of those fancy moves, but experience is vastly more important than wether you can do a crane kick or not.

Batman's been fighting street level criminals his whole career. Don't act like Batman has just been fighting in a gym all of his life. He's faced just as much urban combat as Ollie. If not more.

 

[The Question]

I never said he didn't. But Ollie's had about as much combat experience. Maybe more, since some stories dipict him being older and having been "in the buisness" longer than the other League members. Experience is what counts the most, and in that sense Batman doesn't have that huge an advantage over Ollie.

 

[GoldenAgeHero]

yes he does. if you wanna to talk chronology bats appeared in 1939 while GA appeared in 1941 and given the fact bruce started his training as a young child,bats has more experience. Ollie went away for year,that does'nt make him master of anything. bruce has been doing this almost his entire life and is much more disciplined(sp?) in martial arts and and is a master of 120

 

[Green Lantern]

More like Deathstroke-ology.

Still, Batman is the best martial artist in the DCU, I doubt even with the improvements Ollie would fair all that well.

Uh there are lots of people that are better martial artists than Bruce... Richard Dragon, Shiva, Black Canary, Green Arrow II (Connor Hawke), Batgirl (Cassandra Cain)...

 

[Anubis]

Yup. Bat's is barely in the top five.

 

[Green Lantern]

I'd say he's NOT in the top five... I listed five that are better...

 

[Anubis]

I don't think Conner is better than he is. I'd say Cassandra Cain, Shiva, Richard Dragon, Bronze Tiger, then Batman. But then again, Black Canary has made massive strides in fighting ability. She might even be as good as the Tiger by now.

Then you also have to consider guys like Drakkon and Death Stroke as well.

 

[Green Lantern]

Yeah, I'd say Canary is definitely up there, I forgot about the Tiger.

 

[The Question]

yes he does. if you wanna to talk chronology bats appeared in 1939 while GA appeared in 1941 and given the fact bruce started his training as a young child,bats has more experience. Ollie went away for year,that does'nt make him master of anything. bruce has been doing this almost his entire life and is much more disciplined(sp?) in martial arts and and is a master of 120

Okay. First of all, Bruce didn;t start training as a young child. He started in his mid to late teens. Secondly, training is one thing, but I'm talking about practical combat experience. In that sense, Ollie and Bruce are about even. And yes, while Batman debued earlier, Ollie is older than Bruce in the continuity, and may have began operating as a vigilante before him.

 

[Anubis]

I did too until I had to sit and think about it some more. There may even be more than that if you really took a look at some of forgotten villains, and guys that trained some of these guys.

 

[Green Lantern]

Also Judo Master would have to be near the top, and if we include all of the DCU... Karate Kid

 

[The Question]

I did too until I had to sit and think about it some more. There may even be more than that if you really took a look at some of forgotten villains, and guys that trained some of these guys.

Really, Bruce is a great fighter, but there are plenty of people better than him for several reasons. One, there are some fighting styles that are basically all about conditioning, and in which many have been training since they were about three. Thus, as adults, they have a much higher pain threshhold and much greater agility than Batman could ever hope to acheive. Also, Batman's fighting style is primairily based upon stealth. Most of his combat scenarios has him taking out groups of people from the shadows using tricks and weapons such as smoke grenades, flashbangs, batarangs, and sedative darts. In one on one combat, while he is quite good, he's not an expert in the way that people who have been training in hand to hand combat from when they were in diapers are.

 

[SouLeSS]

Uhhh, he took a 1year course in Deathstroke-ology. He was previously a potential to being able to take down batman, but in OYL it would really rely on who got the 'homefield edge' first.

If it's just in a dojo or something, then it's different than GA hunting down and stalking Batman, or visa versa.

 

[Anubis]

Really, Bruce is a great fighter, but there are plenty of people better than him for several reasons. One, there are some fighting styles that are basically all about conditioning, and in which many have been training since they were about three. Thus, as adults, they have a much higher pain threshhold and much greater agility than Batman could ever hope to acheive. Also, Batman's fighting style is primairily based upon stealth. Most of his combat scenarios has him taking out groups of people from the shadows using tricks and weapons such as smoke grenades, flashbangs, batarangs, and sedative darts. In one on one combat, while he is quite good, he's not an expert in the way that people who have been training in hand to hand combat from when they were in diapers are.

Which is why Cassandra and Shiva are the top two.

 

[The Question]

Which is why Cassandra and Shiva are the top two.

Exactly. Cassandra and Shiva have been training since they were wee children. As such, their bodies and minds are conditioned in a way that no one could hope to acheive if they started learning how to fight as teenagers. A real life example of such prowess is actor/stunt man Tony Jaa.

 

[Anubis]

Did you see the Protector? man, that dude is amazing.

 

[The Question]

No, but I saw Ong Bak. The guy's a ****ing tank. Now if only he would start fighting crime. I'd sleep better at night if he did.

 

[SouLeSS]

What about Robin?

Tim Drake*