I don't think you can boil X23 down that way since that's a personal character for someone like Craig Kyle, and also Craig Kyle's favorite character. Not to mention, that X23 in the comics has far surpassed this ideal of needing another teenage character to tag along for Wolverine which only happened like what, twice in X-men Evolution?
I read some interview from Johnson or Kirkland on the BEYOND EVOLUTION website that claimed that part of why X-23 was created was to enable them to do Wolverine episodes considering Kid's WB was obsessed with teenage characters. Of course, Kyle likely is closer to the character than that, but I was just going by some prior interviews. Personally I think Evolution made the mistake of feeling their original characters needed to be attached to an established X-Man to work, and so thus you had characters who was more details of another character than characters unto themselves. Spyke faced that difficulty for a while. I never cared for X-23 and was never interested in her comic stints. The only time I liked her was, amazingly, in Robert Kirkman's MTU arc "Legion of Losers" and I read some people claim that Kirkman wrote her "wrong" because she actually had a personality. She has excellent reasons for being stiff as wood, being created and psychologically mutilated by the Program/Weapon X, but stiff as wood she is to me, and that's the problem. I already get Wolverine 600 times a month in comics, I saw no need for him to have a sidekick daughter who shows up half as often, or at least used to. And that was BEFORE Daken.
To be fair, though, I likely prefer X-23 to Daken, and feel she has more life than he does. But naturally Kyle, Johnson, and/or Yost > Daniel Way. But I digress.
I am curious how the X-Men justify slaughtering the Marauders in the comics because they are "clones who don't count" to themselves and yet still can try telling X-23 that she matters. Seems hypocritical. But anyway, I just don't like X-23 at all. Although I would be morbidly curious about a non-canonical meeting between her and Ben "Scarlet Spider" Reilly, the other much hated clone of an A-List character. Maybe they could take on Ragnarok, the evil cyborg clone of Thor.
TheVileOne said:
Dread, you need to lay off. Colossus' model was the same as his model for season 1. No human model was shown.
Okay. I was curious. Steve E. Gordon's altered his style for WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN but most of his character models are fine. His "big" characters like Juggernaut or Colossus have the flaw of being a bit top-heavy (with arms the size of their torsos), but it's not like "big man" designs in many cartoons over the years haven't done that, from Bane in THE BATMAN or Rhino in SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN and so on, so it's no problem. I was just curious if they had shown a "new" model for him.
TheVileOne said:
Also, second. I don't appreciate your cynical prediction on the inclusion of his sister. For one thing, Illyana was in the 1990's series, though not as Magik. For another, Magik has been an important recurring character in the comics throughout X-men history and lore. The show has included a ton of X-men characters young and old. The main team mainly features adults instead of teenagers, even though the X-men BEGAN AS A TEENAGE SUPERHERO TEAM of teenaged mutant students. Why not include Magik since we know Colossus went back to Russia to be with his family? We know Magik/Illyana should be there.
It may stem from me never liking Magik. I'm an odd sort of fellow, I know. I like Cyclops but I never especially liked Jean. Same as I like Colossus but never especially liked Magik.
It likely stems from her complicated mess of an origin in the comics that includes demonic possessions, time travel and alternate realities, the latter two are common needless distractions to X-Men Lore. The subplot with Illyana I guess was that she was someone who was even more "pure" than Colossus who wound up being tempted by dark forces, and unlike her brother, she succumbed. I just felt that the demon/magic stuff has nothing to do with what the X-Men are apart and does nothing but distract from their series' themes, much like time travel and space stories do. What do demons and alternate dimensions have to do with a hated minority class of heroes fighting for a world that hates and fears them, while trying to stop even worse members of their class from heavy handed revenge schemes? Nothing. That's not the fault of the W&TXM writers, though. If they have found a way to write Magik without bringing in all the complicated demon stuff, that would be awesome and I'd be very interested in seeing it work.
The dilemma of the X-Men as a franchise is while there is a lot of excellent stuff to mine in their comic lore, there are also mounds and mounds of needlessly complicated hogwash. The challenge is deciding which is which. To be fair, by and large WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN has mostly made wise choices. They have Mojo, but so far not any of the alter-dimensional baloney with him. They dealt a lot with the threats that matter, like the Brotherhood, Magneto, Sentinels, etc. It's never easy.
I'm also not opposed to teenage mutants showing up. Hell, I often used to defend detractors of X-MEN EVOLUTION who endlessly lambasted that show for it's teenage cast and the first two seasons dealing with high school stuff. Many of the X-Men started as teenagers.
The problem is some writers in the past comics confuse "complication" with "quality". I think Magik was often a victim of that.
ThevileOne said:
Havoc has his modern character design.
That's cool. I was curious. Havok's had some...tacky suits in the past so I was interested in what Gordon & Co. came up with.
Thanks for the SDCC news.
