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Ben Urich said:
Bullseye doesn't cry. :cmad:

I know, that's what I'm getting at. Osborn had to have said something pretty crazy to make Bullseye go all emo on us. Usually Bullseye is the one making people cry.
 
I love Norman Osborn, but that whole scene screams bs. I'm betting it'll say something like I'll kill the illegatimate child you never see if you dont join the thunderbolts, or something equally stupid of that nature.
 
Okay, first of all, Dread, those comments on Joe Q once again blamming all of Spidey's problems on the marriage--spot on as usual. On one hand Marvel says that they need radical changes like the unmasking to make Spidey grow as a character while at the same time want to somehow reverse developments like the marriage so he can be "back to the way he used to be." So which is it, Joe?

Roach, regarding the Black Panther/Storm marriage--absolutely right. If this was supposed to boost the sales of Black Panther and make Storm more high profile in the Marvel Universe (even though, technically, as an X-Man, she already was) then it's failed on both counts. Why else would Marvel decide to have Black Panther Civil War tie-ins? Also, you can bet that Marvel will further try to promote this by probably having their "wonder couple" lead the new Fantastic Four. Nevermind that there's a long track record of relationships between two comic book characters from completely different comic books never last.

As for the whole Thunderbolts thing, is it just me or is Marvel really making a mistake here. I understand that Thunderbolts is basically villains pretending to be heroes and, in a sense, finding redemption and actually becoming real heroes. So what makes anyone think that guys like Green Goblin (whose been promised leadership for the new team mind you) Venom, and Bullseye are going to follow that pattern? It seems like the only reason these guys are the new Thunderbolts is because they happen to be A-list villains and that Marvel is trying to capitalize off Villians United/Secret Six, not realizing that these guys work better as supervillains not superhero wannabes.
 
Mr. Marvel said:
Really looking forward to it, wont get my hopes up though there are several people it could be:
Captain Marvel (Genis) If they decide to bring him back, he was pretty awesome though
His sister (forget her name, she was in annihilation) which, wouldnt really be that good.
Quasar, would be pretty good.. Hasnt been dead long but hes a cool character.
I hope its Genis though.

Didn't Joe mention a while back that the new Captain Marvel wouldn't be Genis (which blows) and that the character would be someone totally new to the mantle?

Hopefully my memory is playing tricks on me. I;d rather have it be Genis or Phyla. Genis deserved so much more then he ended up getting (especially with how he was treated in Thunderbolts).
 
If it's someone new, calling it "The Return" seems about as stupid as the new variant cover for CW #4, which says "The Return of Thor" at the bottom.
Ben Urich said:
Bullseye doesn't cry. :cmad:
That's actually the secret behind The Target's delay. They found out Smith was planning to have Daredevil make Bullseye cry and everyone was like, "lolz u cant do that no last issue 4 j00!"
 
This is what it sounds like when Bullseye cries.

*80's keyboard Prince dry hump*
 
dont worry a varient cover that spoils this return should be coming soon
 
I have to agree with Dread on the Spidey marriage thing. I was out of comics for a long time, and even when I did read them when I was a kid, it was mostly X-Men stuff and even that was done sparingly. When I got back into comics, I want to say summer of '04, I still didn't read really anything of Spider-Man, but I did my research to get up to date, and when I finally saw he was married to MJ, I wasn't like "WHAT?!?!?!?!1?! That's just stupid!", I was like, "Oh, so he finally married MJ? Good for him." If I had found out that he was unnmasked and married at that time, my reaction to the marriage would still be the same, but I would definitely not be so welcoming to the unmasking and it would be much like the former reaction.
 
Bullseye crying seems like a bit much, but he is a psycho. He could be playing at something. Deodato's art seems perfect for this.

Melissa won't sit and let Norman run the show. He'll only lead as far as she lets him.
 
Didn't DD give Bullseye a mental owning in Hardcore?I;m too lazy to go look if Bullseye shed a tear.
 
Harlekin said:
I really hope they keep Mar-Vell dead. If anyone needs to take up that mantle, it might as well be Quasar.

I like that idea.
 
Harlekin said:
You know I usually agree with you Dread, but you're a bit wrong on the Panther/Storm thing. They were always shown as friends, such as that issue in Christopher Priest's run, where Storm travels to Wakanda in order to help Panther through a bit of a rough patch. They also kiss. I agree with the gimmicky nature of the marriage, but to say that there is absolutely NO precedent for it is simply untrue. They certainly could have handled it a lot better though.
The Ororo/T'Challa marriage was ridiculously overpromoted and it was Marvel that chose to call it "The Wedding of the Century", not I? And guess what? At the last minute, perhaps smelling that just leaving it at that would cause it to be "underordered", they threw on a CW tagline, and that did the trick to boost it to 40,000 copies or something. I guess they were friends before but the decision to have them get married was done in a rushed manner, with retcons and overreaction galore. They went from barely interacting once every 2 years to suddenly being destined solemates thanks to one ongoing and a mini that "embellished" MTU #100.

My point was that Joe Q fails to see this act as a cheap publicity stunt because it, of course, was his idea, but is so quick to claim the Parker marriage in 1987 was and has no worth, and is the bane to Spider-Man's existance. It's not. The bane to Spider-Man's existance is the writing out of his supporting cast, the inability for creators to create some more members to that cast (especially as Peter is a teacher, a goldmine for characters), and the utter loss of any social life for Peter as all he does is sleep with his wife, talk to his Aunt, and be Spider-Man. Then throw in the fact that he is an Avenger and lives in a penthouse with ROBOTIC BIRDS and you can see far greater problems than the fact that at 25-26 years of age, Peter is married to the woman who for 19 years real time, in various different mediums than comics, has been depicted as the love of his life. I get angry over this because the longer Joe Q or anyone else fails to see what REALLY plagues the Spider-Franchise, the longer it goes unfixed, and the longer they use band-aid solutions like crossovers to delay the inevitable. Between THE OTHER and the CW prelude/current tie-ins, ASM has relied on crossovers for sales for about a year. I see a repeating pattern.

As for "Capt. Marvel", death seems to be overrated these days. Not sure how it could be Quasar as Annihilus seemed to frag him pretty good, but stranger things have happened. Maybe if it's the REAL Mar-Vell, he's coming back to see about all these kids he's gained post-mortum. ;)

And I do see the "new Thunderbolts" as a bit to milk some VILLIANS UNITED/SECRET SIX thunder, although to be fair DC had the Suicide Squad on the shelf for a long time and was quite gritty in it's heyday. But I never cared for the Thunderbolts before, so I don't now.
 
Ben Urich said:
Bullseye doesn't cry. :cmad:

To me it almost looks like maybe his life was threatened. They pan out to show the guards with their guns pointed at him, then him looking ticked, Osbourne saying something, then Bullseye looking shocked. I know he lives since he'll be in Thunderbolts later, but maybe it was almost an execution, and the shock was Osbourne jokingly saying fire or something. Still tho messed up, he doesn't cry and especially not rivers like that pic showed.

Storm and Panther I realize was a gimmick but it didn't have to be, they could have made it feel more legitimate. They made it a gimmick tho by doing tons of stuff on BET about it, and taking Storm completely out of X-Men wasn't a wise move either.

On the JQ thing about Spidey being married, does he honestly think Spidey being married is more shocking than unmasking? The marriage built up, years and years of comics of them dating. The unmasking happened suddenly to hype an event for the most part and was shocking enough to make it in actual newspapers and be talked about on news and stuff. It does sound like he hates the marriage hands down even if he denies it.
 
Dread said:
The Ororo/T'Challa marriage was ridiculously overpromoted and it was Marvel that chose to call it "The Wedding of the Century", not I? And guess what? At the last minute, perhaps smelling that just leaving it at that would cause it to be "underordered", they threw on a CW tagline, and that did the trick to boost it to 40,000 copies or something. I guess they were friends before but the decision to have them get married was done in a rushed manner, with retcons and overreaction galore. They went from barely interacting once every 2 years to suddenly being destined solemates thanks to one ongoing and a mini that "embellished" MTU #100.

My point was that Joe Q fails to see this act as a cheap publicity stunt because it, of course, was his idea, but is so quick to claim the Parker marriage in 1987 was and has no worth, and is the bane to Spider-Man's existance. It's not. The bane to Spider-Man's existance is the writing out of his supporting cast, the inability for creators to create some more members to that cast (especially as Peter is a teacher, a goldmine for characters), and the utter loss of any social life for Peter as all he does is sleep with his wife, talk to his Aunt, and be Spider-Man. Then throw in the fact that he is an Avenger and lives in a penthouse with ROBOTIC BIRDS and you can see far greater problems than the fact that at 25-26 years of age, Peter is married to the woman who for 19 years real time, in various different mediums than comics, has been depicted as the love of his life. I get angry over this because the longer Joe Q or anyone else fails to see what REALLY plagues the Spider-Franchise, the longer it goes unfixed, and the longer they use band-aid solutions like crossovers to delay the inevitable. Between THE OTHER and the CW prelude/current tie-ins, ASM has relied on crossovers for sales for about a year. I see a repeating pattern.

As for "Capt. Marvel", death seems to be overrated these days. Not sure how it could be Quasar as Annihilus seemed to frag him pretty good, but stranger things have happened. Maybe if it's the REAL Mar-Vell, he's coming back to see about all these kids he's gained post-mortum. ;)

And I do see the "new Thunderbolts" as a bit to milk some VILLIANS UNITED/SECRET SIX thunder, although to be fair DC had the Suicide Squad on the shelf for a long time and was quite gritty in it's heyday. But I never cared for the Thunderbolts before, so I don't now.


Testify my brother
 
TheCorpulent1 said:
"lolz u cant do that no last issue 4 j00!"

Do people actually type like that? Because even when you're making fun of it you seem really ******ed. :huh:
 
Yes, actually some DO type like that, just not around here. Mercifully.
 
Damn, that is crazy. Because typing like that is even more annoying than you are. :wow:
 
GNR4Life said:
Didn't DD give Bullseye a mental owning in Hardcore?I;m too lazy to go look if Bullseye shed a tear.
More physical. Like carving an actual bullseye over his tatoo. Hardcore indeed. :woot:
 
Dread said:
The Ororo/T'Challa marriage was ridiculously overpromoted and it was Marvel that chose to call it "The Wedding of the Century", not I? And guess what? At the last minute, perhaps smelling that just leaving it at that would cause it to be "underordered", they threw on a CW tagline, and that did the trick to boost it to 40,000 copies or something. I guess they were friends before but the decision to have them get married was done in a rushed manner, with retcons and overreaction galore. They went from barely interacting once every 2 years to suddenly being destined solemates thanks to one ongoing and a mini that "embellished" MTU #100.

My point was that Joe Q fails to see this act as a cheap publicity stunt because it, of course, was his idea, but is so quick to claim the Parker marriage in 1987 was and has no worth, and is the bane to Spider-Man's existance. It's not. The bane to Spider-Man's existance is the writing out of his supporting cast, the inability for creators to create some more members to that cast (especially as Peter is a teacher, a goldmine for characters), and the utter loss of any social life for Peter as all he does is sleep with his wife, talk to his Aunt, and be Spider-Man. Then throw in the fact that he is an Avenger and lives in a penthouse with ROBOTIC BIRDS and you can see far greater problems than the fact that at 25-26 years of age, Peter is married to the woman who for 19 years real time, in various different mediums than comics, has been depicted as the love of his life. I get angry over this because the longer Joe Q or anyone else fails to see what REALLY plagues the Spider-Franchise, the longer it goes unfixed, and the longer they use band-aid solutions like crossovers to delay the inevitable. Between THE OTHER and the CW prelude/current tie-ins, ASM has relied on crossovers for sales for about a year. I see a repeating pattern.

Technically, this has been the problem with Spider-Man ever since the early 1990s and the current bunch don't seem to grasp this. One of the reasons why Spider-Man comics became such as success (and what the movies also capitalized on) was that Peter Parker's life outside of his costume was just as important as his other life as a superhero. The wittling away of his supporting cast, joining the Avengers, the unmasking, and the reworking of his origins all make him seem less of an "everyman" superhero and more of a typical one, with only superhero problems rather than relatively ordinary ones. And yes, Dread, after Civil War is over, we still have at least a full year of the "Spider-Man Unmasked" storyline, the "Back in Black" arc, not to mention a mini-series by JMS and Joe Q that supposedly is going to "fix" Spider-Man.

Oh, to further illustrate that the only marriages Joe Q likes are ones he promoted, look no further than Fantastic Four, where, once again, Reed and Sue have broken up, mostly likely heading for divorce court where they can each argue what a lously parent they make for their kids. But rest assured, I'm sure the "Prince Charles and Diana" of the Marvel Universe, a.k.a. Black Panther and Storm (yes, Joe Q compared their wedding to THAT) will take their place as Marvel's first couple and lead the FF to retain that sense of family dynamic.:whatever:
 
the new solicits are a dead giveaway that whoever is coming back in "The Return" is a big deal,"greatest hero"?that's not a title deserving for Nova or Quasar,but Captain Marvel indeed
 
TheCorpulent1 said:
If it's someone new, calling it "The Return" seems about as stupid as the new variant cover for CW #4, which says "The Return of Thor" at the bottom.

So we've established an equally stupid occurrence that takes place practically at the same time... hmmmm... :o

In all seriousness didn't Zemo spread Genis Vell across the Universe and the Negative Zone? With the N-Zone being so prominently featured lately, it makes sense in a comic bookie sort of way that is might be Genis, especially since this hero returns/reforms in the Negative Zone. Phyla has already said she doesn't want the mantle of Captain marvel, but who knows how Annihilation will end everything (Possibly everything coming together between CW and Annihilation is some way given the mention of Reed and the Negative Zone in part 3 of Annihilation).

And the return of Captain Marvel REALLY seems like more of a non-CW event...

Well it could be Mar-Vell…
 

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