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i'd actually really dislike it if shredder works under anyone's orders. He needs to be the head of his organization and take orders from no one.
exactly !!!!
i'd actually really dislike it if shredder works under anyone's orders. He needs to be the head of his organization and take orders from no one.
For me, utrom shredder didn't just suck cause he was shredder but cause his portrayal was just too damn serious, they should have went in a different direction with his voice.
My feelings exactly.t:Wow, I never thought a set video of the turtles in action would get me a little excited for this film. They're caught in an intense situation with being captured and separated from one of their brothers. This distinguishes a rather emotional scene - and yes, I'm very excited by this. My favorite aspects of the previous live action films was not only the humor and camaraderie between the brothers, but also their genuine concern for one another in situations of emotional distress (especially in the 1990 film). I love the way Leo is screaming for Mikey (and it looks like this adaption is abandoning Mike's surfer accent). So although I still have my concerns for this movie, this little behind the scenes shot gives me some hope.
Of course he was serious, he was a cold blooded killer and meglomaniac.
Apparently, Darkness Falls was so bad that it made Liebesman want to quit directing movies.
In another universe, if Bay and Co came out and said Shredder was an Alien, a Robot, A creature from another dimension... anything other than an Asian stereotype, it wouldn't go well as far as fanboy reception. However because the source material has actually made all three acceptable to the fan community in the form of this Utrom persona, that's cool.
Cannon makes change acceptable, this is par for the course.
The other issue I'm hearing about is this script that the producers and everyone involved seems to imply has been tossed out(to the point where the release date has even been pushed back). I never read this script, in fact I believe few have, most just read a script review, but it supposedly had a silly take on everything. I suppose that's enough cause for outrage. However looking at the way bay handles his villains(again he's not directing) and the way the director handles his villains thus far, and what has come before of shredder, I can't see this team not giving the "col." a respectable approach.
Long story short, however outrageous, this director changing shredder to a talking pink head is cool(cause it's cannon), some other thing, not so much. Objectively speaking I honestly can't decide which one's better.
This.
I'll agree, his backstory was way convoluted (though, this was an issue with that series as a whole, storylines were too convoluted) and it was made worse by the multiple versions of Shredder that popped up later in the series but Ch'rell was one of the best Shredder's we've ever gotten IMO and I actually liked how they executed that twist and overall, Ch'rell as a character.
Even if they don't make him an alien, personality wise, that's who I hope they base Shredder in this off of. A badass, serious Shredder who's not to be trifled with, even by Splinter.
Schrader Shredder doesn't suck because it has never been presented before, it sucks because it's a lame idea and not even well executed (in script).
Like what I said before, if this version of Shredder is the same as the one in the script, then it's stupid because a character like Shredder writes himself. He is so inherently cool, and this is one of the cases where you don't want to pull what the first GI Joe movie did with the awful Doctor/Cobra Commander.
Do you want a cool ninja armored dude, or middle-aged military dude who later gains spikes? I mean, I guess I would be ok with William wearing the armor, but if he as is, then no. Like what I told Marvin, change can be good, but I can't make excuses for bad decisions. and I'm an easy going when it comes to 'changes' as long as they work.
That being said, I hope he's Baxter Stockman. That would be a sigh of relief.
I know Bay likes to integrate the military into every movie he does due to his ties with them.
I'd be inclined to agree with you if only this production and it's producers were met with a greater level of objectivity, however we're both smart enough to know that hasn't been the case from the very jump.
At this stage in production I try my best to treat things as objectively as possible. For example, imagine for 2 seconds that it was announced we'd be getting a military/merc shredder hunting down the turtles and...that Nolan was producing. Pretty sure there would be about 90% more open mindedness from fan boys. Granted Nolan has a "good" track record if you're into his interpretation of Batman, and these producers, I suppose do not(cause they've been turning out nothing but bombs). But the idea itself, I feel is not getting a fair shake...which is a shame. There was a time when being a fan meant you had more imagination than anyone and not that it meant you were an accountant to the source book.
Merging Ra's and Ducard is dumb, but not with the right imagination..etc.
If fans were as they are now, the first Ninja Turtles production would have no doubt been met with bile the minute the director was announced and then Koteas cast...and the foot designs revealed...and that splinter was rat first, and april's outfit.
I think Will would make a better baxter as well, but like the always odd nolan casting, I think he has a great shredder in him. To be honest I'd rather a re-imagining than another adaptation. That killed ASM for many a fanboy.
The worst part of this whole thing, and the bane of fan boy culture everywhere is this simple fact: If this movie existed by any other name, it would probably get a fair shake. Luckily the real audience, the children, don't operate on that frequency. TF proved that, 3 times in a row(though those films were pretty faithful imo).
Hopefully this doesn't turn into another FF or GL or even GIJoe, but let's be honest, those films were about 10x more faithful to the material than this looks to be a the moment.
Long story short, excuses shouldn't have to be made, but it really shouldn't be called an excuse until after the fact. Before the fact, or rather the film, it should be called objective optimism.