New Low Budget DCU Feature Films Coming From WB?

[Lantern Venom]

Because Marvel has no strong solo female franchises. WB has THE Comic Book Superheroine in their stable.

She-Hulk would not approve of this statement.

They could spend 125-150 M like Marvel did on their phase 1 origins films.

WB has been doing this low budget crap for years...Jonah Hex anyone? It's time they man up, spend the money, and roll out the big guns.

Smaller budgets means lower risks. Marvel has established a solid cinematic universe, so they can afford gamble with the likes of GOTG. DC doesn't have that yet, so spending $120 mil on a lesser-known hero doesn't make sense.

 

[The Valeyard]

The evidence speaks for itself. WB has failed with anything that isn't Batman or Superman so far.

They can't even get their male heroes right, how will they be able to tackle such a risky property as a female-led superhero film?

The odds are stacked against them for WW and they know it.

 

[Batjag]

Good idea. Let del Toro produce lower-budgeted Zatanna and Swamp Thing origin films to prime the pump for Heaven Sent/Justice League Dark.

 

[KangConquers]

She-Hulk would not approve of this statement.



Smaller budgets means lower risks. Marvel has established a solid cinematic universe, so they can afford gamble with the likes of GOTG. DC doesn't have that yet, so spending $120 mil on a lesser-known hero doesn't make sense.

She-Hulk is an adjunct Superheroine. She doesn't represent a unique concept, but a spin-off of one.

No one's saying they should give Booster Gold a $120 M budget. I'm saying they shouldn't bother with lesser known heroes. Marvel's doing lesser known heroes because they've already done all of their A and B-tier characters. DC has only touched Batman, Superman and Green Lantern. Wonder Woman, Flash, Aquaman, Green Arrow, Shazam...give me those first.

This is more of the same from WB. They've been feeding us cheap crap like Steel and Jonah Hex for years.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

Where's the Ms Marvel movie?

A movie with a talking raccoon before a Captain Marvel movie? How could they?

 

[KangConquers]

Where's the Ms Marvel movie?

A movie with a talking raccoon before a Captain Marvel movie? How could they?

If Ms. Marvel wasn't painfully generic and derivative, you'd have a point. You can't possibly be putting Ms. Marvel on the same level as Wonder Woman.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

No, but she's a bigger deal than Guardians.

(or at least she was before the announcement of the movie and the recent GOTG comic).

 

[KangConquers]

No, but she's a bigger deal than Guardians.

(or at least she was before the announcement of the movie and the recent GOTG comic).

I think you're really grasping for straws talking about Ms. Marvel being more popular. Sure, more comic book fans know her, but both properties are 100% unknown with the general public, where as WB is prioritizing the Suicide Squad and Booster Gold over a legitimate pop-culture icon.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

I think you're really grasping for straws talking about Ms. Marvel being more popular. Sure, more comic book fans know her, but both properties are 100% unknown with the general public, where as WB is prioritizing the Suicide Squad and Booster Gold over a legitimate pop-culture icon.

But comic book fans are also the only people who care that there isn't a WW movie.

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

I'll be patiently waiting for mos 2, but i think I'll be shifting my attention to spider-man and marvel. getting real tired of wb's ****.

 

[super85]

While I also think Wonder Woman would be the character that most definetly deserves a movie, i do find stuff like "Suicide Squad" and "Team 7" to be really cool conceps for lower budget films. I hope WB makes those.

 

[Loki882]

If Ms. Marvel wasn't painfully generic and derivative, you'd have a point. You can't possibly be putting Ms. Marvel on the same level as Wonder Woman.

Yeah, she's not "painfully generic" at all. You're write that she's not on WW's level, but she doesn't have to be in order to make for a good movie.

 

[Loki882]

Good idea. Let del Toro produce lower-budgeted Zatanna and Swamp Thing origin films to prime the pump for Heaven Sent/Justice League Dark.

You could probably do Zatanna on a reasonable budget, and I'd LOVE to see a Zatanna movie. However, given Swamp Thing's nature, powers, and his world, I really think that you'd need a bigger budget to do it right and make the powers work properly.

 

[KangConquers]

Yeah, she's not "painfully generic" at all. You're write that she's not on WW's level, but she doesn't have to be in order to make for a good movie.

She's a flying brick, fan service heroine, with no actual rogues gallery or supporting characters to speak of. Sure they could create some or piece something together, but nothing about her screams "This character needs a movie right now."

 

[Loki882]

She's a flying brick, fan service heroine, with no actual rogues gallery or supporting characters to speak of. Sure they could create some or piece something together, but nothing about her screams "This character needs a movie right now."

She's a flying brick-so is Superman or Thor.
She has no rogues gallery to speak of-Moonstone and Ronan the Accuser come to mind. Besides, that just gives the filmmakers the opportunity to make up new and interesting villains, which is rare.
She's a fanservice character-not in her most current incarnation, which is likely the version that the movie will use,
Sorry, but your arguments aren't all that convincing.

 

[Batjag]

You could probably do Zatanna on a reasonable budget, and I'd LOVE to see a Zatanna movie. However, given Swamp Thing's nature, powers, and his world, I really think that you'd need a bigger budget to do it right and make the powers work properly.

You're probably right. Let's say medium budget for Swamp Thing.

I read somewhere that Hellboy cost about 66 million. That may be more than they're wanting to spend on these, but it's a far cry from A-level superhero movie budgets.

 

[KangConquers]

She's a flying brick-so is Superman or Thor.
She has no rogues gallery to speak of-Moonstone and Ronan the Accuser come to mind. Besides, that just gives the filmmakers the opportunity to make up new and interesting villains, which is rare.
She's a fanservice character-not in her most current incarnation, which is likely the version that the movie will use,
Sorry, but your arguments aren't all that convincing.

- So being the third (maybe 4th or 5th flying brick) character to grace the big screen makes her more worth doing instead of less? Superman is the original flying brick, and Thor has tons of magical elements that make him more than just another flying brick.

- Ronan is already being used in Guardians of the Galaxy, and is in no way more linked to Ms. Marvel than he is to any other Avenger. That's like saying Apocalypse would be a villain in an Arch-Angel film. Moonstone was a late career addition, but I'll give you her.

- The entire reason people got into this character is she's a leggy, voluptuous blonde. She's a career supporting character. Compared to Wonder Woman who has had her own comic book for nearly 75 years, has her own rogues gallery, set of associated races, concepts etc.

I don't think Wonder Woman should be rolled into production just for the sake of "We need a female superhero film!" That's a crappy reason to give a character a film. I think Wonder Woman needs a film because her character history and pop-culture status warrants one.

 

[Loki882]

- So being the third (maybe 4th or 5th flying brick) character to grace the big screen makes her more worth doing instead of less? Superman is the original flying brick, and Thor has tons of magical elements that make him more than just another flying brick.

- Ronan is already being used in Guardians of the Galaxy, and is in no way more linked to Ms. Marvel than he is to any other Avenger. That's like saying Apocalypse would be a villain in an Arch-Angel film. Moonstone was a late career addition, but I'll give you her.

- The entire reason people got into this character is she's a leggy, voluptuous blonde. She's a career supporting character. Compared to Wonder Woman who has had her own comic book for nearly 75 years, has her own rogues gallery, set of associated races, concepts etc.

I don't think Wonder Woman should be rolled into production just for the sake of "We need a female superhero film!" That's a crappy reason to give a character a film. I think Wonder Woman needs a film because her character history and pop-culture status warrants one.

-They've tone down the magical elements of Thor in the movies and Superman being the first "flying brick" doesn't change the fact that he is one and that that's what you complained that Carol is. Plus, she's got cool powers that would look amazing onscreen. Plus, Carol's got the half-human/half-alien hybrid thing, which in an of itself could make for interesting character work in a movie.

-So what, like I said making up new villains could be really fun, and Moostone is a cool character.

-No, that's not the only reason why most people became Carol fans, stop making crap up. You're making assumptions and insulting an entire fanbase, which doesn't help your argument.

I'm not arguing that WW shouldn't have movie. I've been one of the biggest cheerleaders of the idea here and I think that it's pathetic that WB is so gun shy about it. I also think that WW should be NEXT in line for a movie after BvS. I just take issue with your dismissal of Carol.

 

[Lord]

Why?


Flash has so much more potential.

I would say the oposite actually

 

[Lord]

But comic book fans are also the only people who care that there isn't a WW movie.

What? Are you serious? Most people i know don't even read comics and i've already heard "why isn't there a wonder woman movie?" both from women and from men, she's an icon and popular even with most not knowing her mythos

 

[KangConquers]

-They've tone down the magical elements of Thor in the movies and Superman being the first "flying brick" doesn't change the fact that he is one and that that's what you complained that Carol is. Plus, she's got cool powers that would look amazing onscreen. Plus, Carol's got the half-human/half-alien hybrid thing, which in an of itself could make for interesting character work in a movie.

-So what, like I said making up new villains could be really fun, and Moostone is a cool character.

-No, that's not the only reason why most people became Carol fans, stop making crap up. You're making assumptions and insulting an entire fanbase, which doesn't help your argument.

I'm not arguing that WW shouldn't have movie. I've been one of the biggest cheerleaders of the idea here and I think that it's pathetic that WB is so gun shy about it. I also think that WW should be NEXT in line for a movie after BvS. I just take issue with your dismissal of Carol.

- Ms. Marvel doesn't have a single power element we haven't seen on screen before.

- Why should Marvel bother polishing up a turd, and trying to fill out an incomplete franchise before they adapt complete ones like Doctor Strange and Black Panther?

- If you took Carol Danvers and made her a man, she wouldn't be an interesting character. I don't think race or gender should be the sole thing that makes a character interesting. They should be interesting on their own merits.

Don't blame me for pointing it out, blame Marvel for not making strong solo heroines. I give them credit for at least trying now with the current Captain Marvel and up-coming Ms. Marvel books.

 

[KangConquers]

What? Are you serious? Most people i know don't even read comics and i've already heard "why isn't there a wonder woman movie?" both from women and from men, she's an icon and popular even with most not knowing her mythos

Exactly. I see fans equate her with Flash in terms of "DC priorities", but in reality she is leagues above Flash. Flash is popular with comic book fans. Wonder Woman is a legitimate pop-culture icon.

 

[The_Manhunter]

Give me a detective John Jones story!!!

 

[spider-neil]

Batman, Spider-Man, Avengers and maybe Iron Man aside, spending 200m on a superhero movie is a massive massive risk that doesn't need to be taken. It puts too much pressure on the movie to succeed.

 

[chamber-music]

You need talented directors to pull off 40 million dollars or less superhero films. Not every director can work with that kind of budget and pull off a film that doesn't look small and cheap.

Suicide Squad, Zatana and Deathstroke movies would be cool.

DC has plenty of characters they could make movies with on a lower budget. Most of them aren't household names.

Characters like Starman, The Shade, Mister Terrific, Hawkman, Animal Man, Adam Strange, The Challengers of the Unknown, The Spectre, Sandman,Doctor Faten, Vixen and Nightwing are just some characters that I thing would be able to do on a low budget and people might be interested in seeing