BvS New Positivity Thread (READ THE FIRST POST!) - Part 1

[LamboMan]

Good reads. I'm going back for a third viewing today. Absolutely loved it. I don't know which I loved more. I guess I view mos and b v s as one big story. I can't even pick. But I just love this superman so much. With being hated by so many it hurts his feelings deeply but still pushes himself to do the right thing. Nothing is easy. I just can't say enough about this drama.

Thanks mate!

 

[Luke234]

I hope this is ok to put in the pisitivity thread. I wanted to put it here because this thread is filled with big fans like me. I do have concern that because of the dramatic nature of the first two DC movies and the deep stories and themes that I love so much and hope to continue , is not a turn on for kids that want primarily just light hearted action. I'm just having a blast watching these two movies though and would just be bummed to see it change. Do you guys think we need to worry about big changes in tone, deep storytelling, and serious drama because it has to hurt ticket sales for kids?

 

[Luke234]

My apologies in advance if it wasn't cool to put this question out. I just wanted to hear the opinion of like minded folks that also live what they've been seeing.

 

[Luke234]

I know this is a man of steel part but I just love the look Cavill gives to the suit when he realizes he could have s purpose. It's this held in surprise/ excitement. Before that when he learns his name and the smile he gives.
I just think Cavill has been amazing with how he can emote so much without saying a word. His expression on the state house, during the day of the dead scene. The smile to Lois at the end. Really talented.

 

[Cats]

I hope this is ok to put in the pisitivity thread. I wanted to put it here because this thread is filled with big fans like me. I do have concern that because of the dramatic nature of the first two DC movies and the deep stories and themes that I love so much and hope to continue , is not a turn on for kids that want primarily just light hearted action. I'm just having a blast watching these two movies though and would just be bummed to see it change. Do you guys think we need to worry about big changes in tone, deep storytelling, and serious drama because it has to hurt ticket sales for kids?

I found Civil War pretty dry. My son, who loved BvS, had problems sitting thru CW while he had no problems with the former. A father who saw both said the same. We have to accept that CBMs are getting more and more adult oriented. And kids are gonna like what they like. I was 9 when I first saw Batman '89 and loved it. Hated Schumacher's supposedly child friendly versions.

 

[Luke234]

I just can't wait until I see superman again. He truly is a symbol of hope for me. While Cavill is now my favorite I grew up with Christopher reeve superman and then I read his book " Still Me" after his tragedy and omg talk about a real life hero. Truly incredible. I was so sad when he passed because somebody close to me is in a chair and I had this thought/ image burned into my brain of him rising on a stage to be the first person to walk with the superman music playing after a cure was found and it was a fantasy beyond my dreams and such triumph for so many people that are in that situation. I highly recommend the book. It's very inspirational.

 

[Luke234]

Not that a cute can't be found one day but just that he brought so much for the cause.

 

[LamboMan]

I think you guys will like this thing I wrote about Flash's appearance and how it changed the timelines in BvS. It has pictures to clearly illustrate what happened in detail:

The Flash Point Explained

 

[FlawlessVictory]

I think you guys will like this thing I wrote about Flash's appearance and how it changed the timelines in BvS. It has pictures to clearly illustrate what happened in detail:

The Flash Point Explained

Very nicely done

I figured as much when I gave some thought to this scene about how Flash's appearance changed the timeline but it was nice to see this explained as well as you did it.

You have been posting some great stuff, keep it up

 

[Luke234]

Hard to wrap my brain around that but nicely done. Time travel is always tough to pull off without people being confused.

 

[LamboMan]

Very nicely done

I figured as much when I gave some thought to this scene about how Flash's appearance changed the timeline but it was nice to see this explained as well as you did it.

You have been posting some great stuff, keep it up

Thanks a lot my friend! I'm really grateful for your appreciation!

I would love to see your comments in my threads in case you liked them that much.

Also, do you think I should post that Flash Point thread here? You think anyone will want to read it?

Hard to wrap my brain around that but nicely done. Time travel is always tough to pull off without people being confused.

Haha, yeah. It really took all my mental capacity to come up with a complete explanation for what happened too. It became clear to me once I started making the images and so by process of elimination I narrowed down the explanation to what it is finally. Putting things down visually really helps.

 

[Micromind]

I think you guys will like this thing I wrote about Flash's appearance and how it changed the timelines in BvS. It has pictures to clearly illustrate what happened in detail:

The Flash Point Explained

Interesting explanation.

Could be the case, though I think there's something more to it which could be revealed in future movies.

 

[LamboMan]

Interesting explanation.

Could be the case, though I think there's something more to it which could be revealed in future movies.

Here's something really interesting that I just found out thanks to a user on the forum where I posted that article:

Jay Olivia of DC Animated movies who worked with Zack on the scene says:

"And after working on the Knightmare sequence with director Zack Snyder, Oliva offered up his own explanation on the Hall of Justice Podcast as to what the ‘dream sequence’ really means:

“You want to know the answer? Okay… you’ve watched The Flashpoint Paradox, my movie, right? In the DC Universe in the comics, there’s this thing where– it’s a little different than the Back to The Future thing where you can go back in time and change your threads and stuff, but in DC, when you go back in time you create this kind of ‘Time Boom’ kind of thing where lots of things change.

“Okay, so let me just tell you this. Again… I don’t know if this is Zack’s thinking, but this is mine: what if that isn’t a dream sequence? What if what you saw was a Time Boom, a latent memory from the future when Flash comes back? If you look at the cut, he doesn’t go to sleep! He’s waiting for the [Lexcorp file decryption] and suddenly this [Knightmare sequence] comes in, and he’s jogged out of it seeing his own death. And what does he see? He sees Flash. And if you’re a DC fan, you know what’s happening. You know that Flash going back in time, that memory is now coming back to him… mind you, it’s jumbled.”

Except for the Batman not sleeping off part, my explanation is the exact same one!

Sure, that's his own interpretation of the events but it's from an official DC honcho and one who worked on the scene.

 

[Sleiek]

Yeah, that's pretty bloody amazing. The sad think is most people won't understand this. It is too complicated. Sucks though.

You have to keep it relatively simple for the rest of the world to embrace it.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Very detailed attempt. Though I have a problem with it: Bruce was looking for the rock before the flashpoint. Because why hunt for White Portuguese in the first place?

 

[LamboMan]

Very detailed attempt. Though I have a problem with it: Bruce was looking for the rock before the flashpoint. Because why hunt for White Portuguese in the first place?

Because he was actually following a lead on a dirty bomb. He actually thought that the White Portuguese was a person, not a ship, remember?

He even thinks Lex is the WP. That's why he goes to get information from his servers.

Once he decrypts the drive after the Flash Point, only then does he learn that the WP is a ship and that it is importing the K-rock into Gotham.

He was looking for the rock AFTER the Flash Point.

This is confirmed by his surprised look AFTER he sees the WP ship's photos. He never even knew that it was a ship and not a person, why would he know anything about Kryptonite?

He then tells Alfred that the WP is a ship, but doesn't tell him anything else. Alfred picks up that Bruce is not telling him everything. So he tells him that he is not good at lying to him.

Bruce then reveals what he has just learned to Alfred and states his intentions which have come into place thanks to the Knightmare.



And thanks for the appreciation boose!

 

[LamboMan]

Yeah, that's pretty bloody amazing. The sad think is most people won't understand this. It is too complicated. Sucks though.

You have to keep it relatively simple for the rest of the world to embrace it.

Thanks Sleiek!

 

[OutOfBoose]

Because he was actually following a lead on a dirty bomb. He actually thought that the White Portuguese was a person, not a ship, remember?

He even thinks Lex is the WP. That's why he goes to get information from his servers.

Once he decrypts the drive after the Flash Point, only then does he learn that the WP is a ship and that it is importing the K-rock into Gotham.

He was looking for the rock AFTER the Flash Point.

This is confirmed by his surprised look AFTER he sees the WP ship's photos. He never even knew that it was a ship and not a person, why would he know anything about Kryptonite?

He then tells Alfred that the WP is a ship, but doesn't tell him anything else. Alfred picks up that Bruce is not telling him everything. So he tells him that he is not good at lying to him.

Bruce then reveals what he has just learned to Alfred and states his intentions which have come into place thanks to the Knightmare.



And thanks for the appreciation boose!

It's an awesome theory. Never thought about it like that. To me it looked like he was busy searching for the rock for quite some time, that's why he was so obsessed and interrogated many people. But why dirty bomb? Just another day in the office to keep Gotham safe, that accidentally ended up being a weapon to kill Superman?

Actually, if your theory is correct, it only adds to words of the editor, that they had to mess with events in the film, that happen prior the confession to Alfred.

 

[hildenburg]

Boose, where did your avatar came from? Blitz trailer? New(er) footage? It's awesome!

 

[The Guard]

Pretty sure Bruce knew there were no dirty bomb when the film opened. He knew what he was going after from the start: Kryptonite. He was just trying to throw Alfred off.

 

[Micromind]

Pretty sure Bruce knew there were no dirty bomb when the film opened. He knew what he was going after from the start: Kryptonite. He was just trying to throw Alfred off.

Agreed, I thought he was trying to hide the fact that he was looking for K rock, and came up with that explanation.

 

[matt47]

Yeah there is no way Bruce didn't know it was kryptonite.

 

[Jaxon]

I think you guys will like this thing I wrote about Flash's appearance and how it changed the timelines in BvS. It has pictures to clearly illustrate what happened in detail:

The Flash Point Explained

Bruce gets the future "memory" because the Flash portal opens (not shown) although it takes a few minutes for Flash to appear through it because it's done through assistance (boom tube).

In the future, yes, Bruce doesn't acquire Kryptonite until that point, but Flash appearing changes the timeline and triggers Bruce to get a hold of Kryptonite now.

It was more than just a teaser it was pivotal to what Bruce does. If Flash doesn't appear Bruce doesn't get tipped over the edge to confront Superman.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Boose, where did your avatar came from? Blitz trailer? New(er) footage? It's awesome!

Thanks. It's from Blitz.

 

[LamboMan]

Bruce gets the future "memory" because the Flash portal opens (not shown) although it takes a few minutes for Flash to appear through it because it's done through assistance (boom tube).

In the future, yes, Bruce doesn't acquire Kryptonite until that point, but Flash appearing changes the timeline and triggers Bruce to get a hold of Kryptonite now.

It was more than just a teaser it was pivotal to what Bruce does. If Flash doesn't appear Bruce doesn't get tipped over the edge to confront Superman.

Yep, I agree!



And about the Bruce knowing about Kryptonite thing everyone is missing a crucial detail:

Nowhere in the Prequel comics or in the movie do they show that he had any knowledge of what Kryptonite was. To know what it was and what it could do would mean he HAD to get that information from AMRIID through LexCorp, meaning he would have ALREADY known that Lex was involved with the White Portuguese and wouldn't have had to follow the Russian around for information.

Lex being involved in the plot was a NEW piece of information to him. After he learned that Lex was somehow involved in 'imported arms' he breaks into his servers and after decrypting it learns about the Kryptonite.

I'll repeat, if he knew about the Kryptonite, nothing he did to find the White Portuguese makes any sense, since he would already have known who to target.