gwynplaine
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Jean Dujardin as Black Mask.
Freeze actually has a great character arc. There's a tragic story to tell. Poison Ivy in my opinion is a very shallow, one-dimensional character. You can say the same about Black Mask. To some people he may seem darker (he is) and more threatening, but he's not more important than Ivy. Like you said.
I just dont think she's important to the history of Batman or how she relates to Batman/Bruce Wayne. I would argue that she's more important than say..Mad Hatter. But i can name a dozen villains that hold more importance to the mythology.
There's potential there to do something a little deeper when you get into nature, women, etc. But it's still nothing interesting in my eyes. You say that relates to something that could be very dangerous/interesting to Bruce or Batman, but i dont see how that's the case. The revolution of woman and nature...specifically with "woman"...what does that have to do with Batman? Nature and earth or plants over what? Technology? Im sure Batmans answer to that would be so what? i can strip myself down of gadgets and still kick your ass and make you think a giant bat is coming for your ass cuz im the goddamn batman!She isn't shallow or unidimensional, but very bad developed (at least in the stories I've read of her). She's the one important female Batman villain independant and non linked with a male character (also Catwoman, but nowadays is difficult consider her as a villain) and she represents something very interesting and dangerous to the ideology of Batman/Bruce Wayne: the revolution of the nature and the revolution of the woman, both things deeply related. The problem is the writers, which are generally men, doesn't know how to carry her, and she always finishes doing little more than committing crimes with plants, which is something shallow, but she has an incredible potential.
What villains would you say are more important than Ivy in the Batman mythos?
I don't know if you are asking me, but I'll answer, I'm not familiar with her, but it sounds cool lol.What do you think about that new Ventriloquist? The even creepier chick.
There's potential there to do something a little deeper when you get into nature, women, etc. But it's still nothing interesting in my eyes. You say that relates to something that could be very dangerous/interesting to Bruce or Batman, but i dont see how that's the case. The revolution of woman and nature...specifically with "woman"...what does that have to do with Batman? Nature and earth or plants over what? Technology? Im sure Batmans answer to that would be so what? i can strip myself down of gadgets and still kick your ass and make you think a giant bat is coming for your ass cuz im the goddamn batman!
Ive never seen her portrayed well enough for me to say "yeaaah she's definitely an important character of the mythos." Nope.
More important than Pamela Isley? Catwoman is miles ahead but yes you're right, she's not really a villain, nor should she be portrayed as such. Like how Tim Burton used her in film.
Id say Penguin, Freeze, Joker, Riddler, Bane, Hush, Scarecrow, Hugo Strange, Ra's Al Ghul, Talia most definitely. My personal preferences are not included because i would rather see Black Mask or Ventriloquist than Ivy but they're no more important. I also dont care for Hush that much but he was a part of something new for audiences 10 years ago, by a popular writer/artist dynamic. And his story actually relates to Bruce Wayne.
I guess when you put it that way it can be interesting. But i dont think it's that important especially since she hasn't been written with that much potential. In the grand scheme of things, within the source material and movies, she just hasn't left any mark. Plus i dont see WB going into that direction for a long time.But in certain way Pamela Isley is the contrary of Bruce Wayne: Batman is a masculine conservative force whose power is based on technology, while Ivy is a femenine revolutionary force whose power is based on nature. That's a very interesting antagonism and some great stories can be written with it.
I suppose the list of the most important villains is very subjective and it depends of each one, in my case I'd say the 10 most important villains in Batman mythos are: Joker, Two Faces, Scarecrown, Penguin, Catwoman, Riddler, Rha's Al Ghul, Bane, Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy.
Nice (but unrealistic) layout FeedOnATreeFrog. And i see that you like my "Man Of Steel: Caped Crusader" suggestion t: