Nightmare On Elm Street (2010) - Part 1

[BH/HHH]

I wasn't the biggest fan of the reboot, thought Jackie Earle Haley was good (unfortnately he was the first one to follow Robert Englund), but it copied too much from the original (with worse looking CG effects) and couldn't decide if Freddy was serious or funny. I just wish they'd have done something different. I still think they should have killed Nancy off in the opening as it would have been unexpected and kept the film as dark as possible.

I am perplexed mind that this film was a box office success much like the Friday the 13th reboot and yet neither has gotten a sequel. Yet we have to sit through a bajillion Saw, Final Destinations and Paranormal Activity movies.

 

[TheDreamMaster]

I wasn't the biggest fan of the reboot, thought Jackie Earle Haley was good (unfortnately he was the first one to follow Robert Englund), but it copied too much from the original (with worse looking CG effects) and couldn't decide if Freddy was serious or funny. I just wish they'd have done something different. I still think they should have killed Nancy off in the opening as it would have been unexpected and kept the film as dark as possible.

I am perplexed mind that this film was a box office success much like the Friday the 13th reboot and yet neither has gotten a sequel. Yet we have to sit through a bajillion Saw, Final Destinations and Paranormal Activity movies.

Final Destination being the exception, I think because Saw and PA are relatively cheap to make. Even though they may make less and less, they manage a huge profit when they only cost between 1 and 25 million to make.

 

[Spiderine]

Actually, in the first two movies that's exactly what Freddy was like. He didn't start making the dreams fit his victim's personalities and cracking jokes until Part 3. Then they started doing it to excess in Parts 4 & 5. Then it got REALLY bad in Part 6. In New Nightmare they made him more sinister and less silly. That's the way he was ALWAYS supposed to be. But when people other than Wes Craven were given the job of writing ANOES sequel, they filled it up with lame jokes, bad puns, and stupid sight gags.

I liked that Freddy got right down to business in the remake. He stalked his victims. He scared the s#!t out of them. Then when he was ready, he killed them. Just like he did to Tina, Rob, and Greg in the original. I don't remember the names of everyone he killed in Part 2, but I know he did it joke free. Even his witty comments in Part 3 were scarier than they were funny. "Welcome to prime time, b**ch!"

That was classic. "This is your big break in TV" LOL

 

[Thundarr]

Final Destination being the exception, I think because Saw and PA are relatively cheap to make. Even though they may make less and less, they manage a huge profit when they only cost between 1 and 25 million to make.

I think they also manage to stay in the top 5 ranked movies for more than just one weekend. All those horror movie remakes tend to fizzle out after the first couple of days. The newer ones have a little more lasting power. Not a lot, but coupled with cheap production costs equals huge profits. And huge profits equal many sequels.

 

[BlueLightning]

I finally got to New Nightmare and realized he was right. They don't really delve into it too much though. They could almost get away with using the idea again. I'd mostly want to see them explore more of the fantasy elemen that as touched upon in NOES 3.

I think New Nightmare might of been ahead of it's time. It was a great concept and restored most of the damage that was done by the last couple films.

Actually, I was sure about the plot of New Nightmare, I just wasn't sure that you were referring to the same concept. I loved New Nightmare, I think it would be the best NOES movie if it didn't rely so much in the past films.

Some years ago, we made a NOESmarathon at my house. It was the first time I watched the sequels (the only sequel I had watched was New Nightmare) and I think the first one is the best. It became a joke after part III, to the point that, in Freddy's Dead it wasn't even entertaining anymore.

As for the remake. It was less than solid, Jackie Earle Haley performance was the highlight, but it really didn't add to much. To their merit, at least managed to get Freddy more serious and threatening.

 

[bullets]

Some years ago, we made a NOESmarathon at my house. It was the first time I watched the sequels (the only sequel I had watched was New Nightmare) and I think the first one is the best. It became a joke after part III, to the point that, in Freddy's Dead it wasn't even entertaining anymore.

I think for me it became more about the kills. Instead of being afraid I was more excited to see what he would do next. Freddy was too exposed by part four. It certainly didn't help to be brought back by a dog pissing on your grave.

I saw Freddy's dead in the theaters and everyone was laughing. There were some funny moments and most of it was intentional but that wasn't the best way to go. New Nightmare was a pleasant surprise. I think the reboot/remake can effectively scare people who don't watch many horror films.

 

[bullets]

It was that cruel sense of sick sadism in the first 2 original movies that always intrigued me - at no point in the remake did I feel the character had that.

I thought he did when he had that kid upside down and was tormenting Nancy at the end.

As for the original films I was mostly creeped out by the second one. As a kid the bus scene scared me and Freddy coming out of Jesse's body was horrific.

. Regardless of any chair jumps at the ends of these movies, I don't think that a series of sequels were ever in the cards for these films.

That's what it seems like now but a sequel for F13 is in developmental hell and there was talk about another NOES. These do work as contained films though. I think the ending of Friday the 13th (2009) was a but shocking when Jason started getting his head pushed into the wood chipper (?). I thought that might be the end of it.

 

[Slushy]

As disappointing as the remake was, I'd still be interested in a sequel. Unfortunately, I don't see that happening. I was interested in seeing where they would go with the new franchise.

Better to let sleeping dogs lie.

To quote Casey from Scream,

The first Nightmare On Elm Street was good. The rest sucked.

 

[TheDreamMaster]

Better to let sleeping dogs lie.

To quote Casey from Scream,

Thats a bull**** quote, but I'm not gonna debate on your opion. t: I love Part 2, 3, and 4. I hate 5, can bear 6, and love New Nightmare. FvsJ is ok. The remake is terrible as I've stated not long ago.

 

[Gianakin_]

Only 1 and New Nightmare did something for me. Dream Warriors had a couple good kills, but you could make a delicious fondue out of this series.

 

[BH/HHH]

The original is definitely the best one, 2 is good cause it has that 80s vibe, Dream Warriors is good cause it manages to mesh humour and horror very well, 4 is dumb but entertaining, 5 was boring, 6 is hilarious bad but fun, New Nightmare is a decent idea but whilst I like it is boring in parts and Freddy vs Jason is a hell of a lot of fun not to be taken seriously. The new one was meh but had some moments that made me feel a sequel could be good.

 

[bullets]

Thats a bull**** quote, but I'm not gonna debate on your opion. t: I love Part 2, 3, and 4. I hate 5, can bear 6, and love New Nightmare. FvsJ is ok. The remake is terrible as I've stated not long ago.

I think they are all entertaining. Robert Englund definately brought a lot to the role. The original, 3 , 4 , and New Nightmare are my favorites. Freddy vs Jason isn't great but still awesome to see those characters in the same film. The other sequels aren't as good but they still offer interesting dream sequences. Dream Child is probably the worst but I love the art direction and Lisa Wilcox was one of my favorite "dream girls".

 

[Thundarr]

That's what it seems like now but a sequel for F13 is in developmental hell and there was talk about another NOES. These do work as contained films though. I think the ending of Friday the 13th (2009) was a but shocking when Jason started getting his head pushed into the wood chipper (?). I thought that might be the end of it.

Oh, I'm sure they were probably hoping that their movies would reboot the franchises. That's why they wrote the "chair jumps" into the endings of the films (Leatherface attacking the cops, Jason popping up out of the water, Freddy pulling Nancy's mom into the mirror, etc). But they forgot to do one thing. To make the first movie of the new franchises good. That's what makes them remakes of the originals rather than reboots. If they were true reboots, they would have stayed in the theatres for longer than only a few weeks, they would not have been released on DVD so damn soon after their theatrical release, and (in short) wouldn't have totally sucked.

 

[Thundarr]

Only 1 and New Nightmare did something for me. Dream Warriors had a couple good kills, but you could make a delicious fondue out of this series.

As for the rest of what you wrote, add Part 2 to the ones that are watchable and I'm in perfect agreement with you.

 

[bullets]

I thought Friday the 13th ( 2009 ) could of worked as a reboot. The Nightmare on Elm St remake borrowed too much from the original but it wasn't terrible. I don't remember much about the Texas Chainsaw Massacre remake. I thought it was good but they chopped off Leatherface's arm. I don't want to see a one armed Leatherface so it's not big loss that never continued.

 

[Thundarr]

I thought Friday the 13th ( 2009 ) could of worked as a reboot. The Nightmare on Elm St remake borrowed too much from the original but it wasn't terrible. I don't remember much about the Texas Chainsaw Massacre remake. I thought it was good but they chopped off Leatherface's arm. I don't want to see a one armed Leatherface so it's not big loss that never continued.

Friday The 13th could've worked as a reboot had they spent more time trying to build suspense and less time trying to cram as many kills into a 90 minute time frame as possible.

A Nightmare On Elm Street could've worked as a reboot had they not f**ked up Freddy's origin story.

The Texas Chainsaw Massacre could've worked as a reboot had they not chopped off Leatherface's arm and made the Hewitts cannibals.

Problem is they didn't do those few simple little things to make their movies good. As a result I highly doubt we'll ever see a sequel to any of them. Thus they are all remakes rather than reboots.

 

[Gianakin_]

NOES had far more problems than just Freddy's origin, imo.

 

[Thundarr]

NOES had far more problems than just Freddy's origin, imo.

Oh sure, it had other problems. Most of the main characters weren't all that likeable. The whole 72 hour time limit on staying awake was both stupid and unrealistic (the kid that the whole franchise was based on stayed awake for 11 days before falling asleep and dying from fright as he had his worst nightmare yet). But the thing most NOES fans find the most unforgiveable is Michael Bay f**king up Freddy's origin.