No Hulk sequel, a RE-START instead.

[Sava]

the scene with the plants is him remembering his mother

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

It has multiple meanings IMO. The one's already mentioned by yourself and others and the one i mentioned, thats whats so good about this film, it isnt just a simple action movie.

 

[November Rain]

i think the desert scene of him resting is time to reflect on the peace he once had as a child which encapsulates teh scenes his mothers used to have (desert flowers/roses) and other stuff like so...

overall, it was a calm moment...

 

[November Rain]

It's funny how Hulk fans complain about the movie getting such a bad rap but then take every opportunity to bash other Marvel films they didn't like. Neither FF, DD nor Punisher have anything to do w/the lukewarm reception that "Hulk" got, & that's why no sequel has been greenlit. Maybe if the naysayers would take a break from ripping everything to shreds, some progress could be made.

it's true that they had nothing to do with it but the reason i feel that people bring them up (including myself) is that those films are believed to be worse quality than the hulk overall yet they are happy to continue on with the franchise purely based on returns rather than what we feel is actually the quality of the film itself.

it's understandable to chase the money but i don't think its also fair to drop something on the first hurdle, especially something that has the potential to go the distance and really be one of the greats.

I mean how many other individual characters have enough going for them to hold the span of a whole a film without an outside villain.

hulk/banner is arguably the most complex character represented on the big screen and they've only touched on the surface. I mean other characters are just as complex in the comics but their angst is dubbed down for films, for some reason a complex hero isn't on the agenda.

ang lee saw all this and tried to put it forward, it simply wasn't to people's taste.

personally, i think doing a good hulk film without overdrammatising the whole thing and making it a charicature is a great feat and won't be emulated to the same degree as lee's attempts.

the whole fact that they are ret-conning again instead of carrying on shows that they aren't onthe same wavelength as myself, so i'm bound to disapprove.

saying this, it isn't the end of the world...

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I will still look forward to a re-make, or do-over or whatever, but i would be looking forward to a sequel 20 times more, because i think Hulk left a brilliant basis for a sequel at its end. Both Ross's thought Hulk was dead, and Bruce was helping people in a foreign country, it is only a matter of time before the Hulk would re-appear.

They couldnt have left a better set-up for a sequel IMO. But marvel dont see that.

 

[TheSumOfGod]

The scene of the Hulk in desert looking at the plants also has another meaning i think. It shows that if he was just left alone he wouldnt bother anyone, but human nature is too attack something different.

Precisely. Hulk just wants to be left alone. But the world cannot tolerate the existence of an indestructible, infinitely powerful monster, so they always hunt him down and try to kill or capture him. This being the great tragedy of the Hulk.

 

[Chris Wallace]

it's true that they had nothing to do with it but the reason i feel that people bring them up (including myself) is that those films are believed to be worse quality than the hulk overall yet they are happy to continue on with the franchise purely based on returns rather than what we feel is actually the quality of the film itself.

it's understandable to chase the money but i don't think its also fair to drop something on the first hurdle, especially something that has the potential to go the distance and really be one of the greats.

I mean how many other individual characters have enough going for them to hold the span of a whole a film without an outside villain.

hulk/banner is arguably the most complex character represented on the big screen and they've only touched on the surface. I mean other characters are just as complex in the comics but their angst is dubbed down for films, for some reason a complex hero isn't on the agenda.

ang lee saw all this and tried to put it forward, it simply wasn't to people's taste.

personally, i think doing a good hulk film without overdrammatising the whole thing and making it a charicature is a great feat and won't be emulated to the same degree as lee's attempts.

the whole fact that they are ret-conning again instead of carrying on shows that they aren't onthe same wavelength as myself, so i'm bound to disapprove.

saying this, it isn't the end of the world...

Also, in all fairness, not as much was put into FF or Punisher as was put into "Hulk"; not just in terms of budget but in terms of promotion. It had some pretty big name stars, an Oscar-winning director, THEY HYPED THE HELL OUT OF IT FOR YEARS-and yet it blew up in their faces big time. You gotta forgive them for being a little gun-shy.

 

[Lobster Charlie]

The only thing about those tranquil little scenes in the desert that bugged me was...if he's all calm and peaceful, he'd most likely revert back to Banner, since Hulk is a physical manifestation of his *rage*.

I personally found those little somber moments to be quite corny and soggy. Not to mention I find it hard to relate to something with suck mediocre animation---I just felt like I was watching a cutscene from a video game!

 

[Frodo]

Actually prefer the idea of a restart . I thought HULK was boring. I liked the C.G look but I thought it was dumb for him to grow different sizes . The film was also pretty boring .

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Precisely. Hulk just wants to be left alone. But the world cannot tolerate the existence of an indestructible, infinitely powerful monster, so they always hunt him down and try to kill or capture him. This being the great tragedy of the Hulk.

You worded it better than me, but that was exactly what i meant, the scene had other meaning too of course, but IMO that was a main one.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

You guys who dont like the Hulk movie, will do me a favour? Just watch it again once or twice, i know it may be hard for you to sit through it, but i think many people who disliked the movie first time will see that its not that bad a movie. If you still think it is a bad movie after watching it again i'll accept it no problem, but just watch it again and then please give an HONEST opinion of it.

 

[Sava]

The only thing about those tranquil little scenes in the desert that bugged me was...if he's all calm and peaceful, he'd most likely revert back to Banner, since Hulk is a physical manifestation of his *rage*.

I personally found those little somber moments to be quite corny and soggy. Not to mention I find it hard to relate to something with suck mediocre animation---I just felt like I was watching a cutscene from a video game!

if you play video games that has cut scenes like that... please tell me which game that is. Hulk's been calm in the comics before and never changed back. because he knows trouble is still there, just not right now.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I figured, given a few more minutes, had the soldiers not attacked him, he WOULD'VE reverted.

 

[Chris Wallace]

You guys who dont like the Hulk movie, will do me a favour? Just watch it again once or twice, i know it may be hard for you to sit through it, but i think many people who disliked the movie first time will see that its not that bad a movie. If you still think it is a bad movie after watching it again i'll accept it no problem, but just watch it again and then please give an HONEST opinion of it.

Unlikely. Fanboys make up their minds quickly & typically stick to their opinions. Although I personally enjoyed the movie more the second time than the first, & that's largely because I went into the theater w/an "action" mentality & got a drama. I think this happened to a lot of viewers. The funny thing is we get constant complaints about too much action & not enough story & then when a director takes a chance & tries to do something different, the backlash is far worse.

 

[November Rain]

Also, in all fairness, not as much was put into FF or Punisher as was put into "Hulk"; not just in terms of budget but in terms of promotion. It had some pretty big name stars, an Oscar-winning director, THEY HYPED THE HELL OUT OF IT FOR YEARS-and yet it blew up in their faces big time. You gotta forgive them for being a little gun-shy.

well was ang less an oscar winning director back then? I thought his first was for brokeback?

fine i would agree with punisher but ff got some pretty decent press i thought.

even if they did hype it out, what exactly happened in the first film that would be detrimental to a sequel occurring? I mean the majority of the cast bar talbot are alive, there is plenty to be salvaged unless to re-work the rick jones aspect into it...

personally i liked the possibly direction they were going in...as a stand alone feature i feel it was great but as a collection of films it could have been truelly something that marvel could have been proud of, pushing the boundaries of realism on their products.

 

[November Rain]

I figured, given a few more minutes, had the soldiers not attacked him, he WOULD'VE reverted.

mmmmmmmmmm, unlikely, I think betty was always going to be the catalyst. He did have some rocks crumpled on him then the helicopters left him while they called in the raptors.

he looked pretty chilled climbing from that debris...

I quite like the movie hulk, he isn't completely anger driven, it a combination of all types of mental trauma, one could say the memories of his mother he was getting wer traumatic to keep him going.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Unlikely. Fanboys make up their minds quickly & typically stick to their opinions. Although I personally enjoyed the movie more the second time than the first, & that's largely because I went into the theater w/an "action" mentality & got a drama. I think this happened to a lot of viewers. The funny thing is we get constant complaints about too much action & not enough story & then when a director takes a chance & tries to do something different, the backlash is far worse.

Ex-****ing-cactly, this was my whole argument when the movie first came out. After all their complaints, we have started getting **** like FF and Elektra since, which are both movies that are the opposie of Hulk's style.

 

[Lobster Charlie]

There's no excuse for Fantastic Four and Elektra. Hell, there's really no excuse for HULK, which, after seeing it a second time, was even MORE painful to sit through.

The problem with most films today is, they cost WAY too much to make, so the investors want to protect their properties (for the most part) by hiring a big name director, OR by incessantly meddling with the details of the story and plot, having too much say in who gets hired to act and who doesn't. And the ironic part is, the films do NOT get any better, most of the time. Every now and again, they squeeze out a Spiderman 2 or a Batman Begins, but for everyone of those you get a Punisher, a Daredevil, and Elektra, a FF movie.

The Hulk didn't need to cost so much money to make. Hell, that series from the 70's captured the Hulk's essence far better than the movie did, and that was just a body builder with green paint and a wig (not to mention the ever-important cataract contacts---makes a HUGE, scary, unsettling difference).

 

[Sava]

The Hulk didn't need to cost so much money to make. Hell, that series from the 70's captured the Hulk's essence far better than the movie did, and that was just a body builder with green paint and a wig (not to mention the ever-important cataract contacts---makes a HUGE, scary, unsettling difference).

you've got to be s**ting me, Hulk didnt have the budget it need to pull it off. If you still think that a Bodybuilder painted green is the best way to bring Hulk to life after watching the movie, try opening your eyes while you watch it next time.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

you've got to be s**ting me, Hulk didnt have the budget it need to pull it off. If you still think that a Bodybuilder painted green is the best way to bring Hulk to life after watching the movie, try opening your eyes while you watch it next time.

Ha ha, well said Sava.

 

[November Rain]

You know the amount of money needed to truelly portray the rage and violent potential for the hulk in just on scene will never be invested into a entire film bearing the same name.

We have to face that the extents of hulk action is always going to be problematic.

he's the one character i feel it's impossible to completely nail in a film.

 

[Sava]

You know the amount of money needed to truelly portray the rage and violent potential for the hulk in just on scene will never be invested into a entire film bearing the same name.

We have to face that the extents of hulk action is always going to be problematic.

he's the one character i feel it's impossible to completely nail in a film.

200mill and 2years with someone like Cameron or Jackson..or even Ang might get us close

 

[November Rain]

no one is going to spend 200million on a single scene...

 

[November Rain]

It's always going to be one of these cases


good banner story, crappy hulk, crappy antics

decent banner story, moderate hulk, decent but limited antics

crappy banner, GREAT HULK, very short action

 

[Chris Wallace]

200mill and 2years with someone like Cameron or Jackson..or even Ang might get us close

Not Cameron. uh-uh.