No Hulk sequel, a RE-START instead.

[Sava]

so, i was watching that scene again, when Bruce gets hit with Gamma Rays, and i noticed one thing, all the chargers were pointed towards Bruces' groin ... no babys for him then

 

[DeCeAsEd 2 RiSe]

I think this Re-Start will do good, because i just thought the first one was ... now dont scold me for this but... mediocre and this re-start will do justice. Be lucky that they're willing to do a restart. Its all for the better.

 

[Cracker Jack]

so, i was watching that scene again, when Bruce gets hit with Gamma Rays, and i noticed one thing, all the chargers were pointed towards Bruces' groin ... no babys for him then

LOL OUCH!!

 

[Ions]

LOL OUCH!!

Bruce wouldn't feel it. The only thing that would, is the little swimmers who died.
Could we get a few mins silence for the fallen?
[Ions is amused]

 

[Cracker Jack]

Could we get a few mins silence for the fallen?
[Ions is amused]

Wouldn't that be the drowned

 

[Chris Wallace]

Swimmers are self-replenishing, & that's in a normal human body. Bruce has a super hyper-immune system & a healing factor.

 

[Warhammer]

Wow, this is new news to me.
They are doing a remake, instead of a sequel?

Um.........

 

[Obi-Ron]

I believe it will continue the characters from the first movie, but with a new (non-origin maybe?) story, director, and possibly actors. So it will most likely be quite different from the first.

 

[Sasquatch]

Yay! So Absorbing-Dad will be back!?!?!

zzzzZZZZZzzz..... zzzzz

 

[Warhammer]

Oh, gotcha.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

nope my friend, the charges were still in the sphere, go back and watch the scene again, you'll see after the Hulk throws it out and it hits the floors, some of them fall out.

Yes they were still in the sphere, but as the sphere malfunctioned, it didnt absorb the gamma rays, as it did earlier when they experimented on freddy the frog.

And Gamma Ray, to me this origin WAS a lot more realistic as you just dont see bomb's being tested in the desert in the modern world, if at all.

 

[Sava]

Yes they were still in the sphere, but as the sphere malfunctioned, it didnt absorb the gamma rays, as it did earlier when they experimented on freddy the frog.

yeah, but we werent talking about that, plus David got one of those carger things before Bruce got hit in the nuts by the radiation, so i'm think they either had some spares or another Sphere some where else in the building

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

yeah, but we werent talking about that, plus David got one of those carger things before Bruce got hit in the nuts by the radiation, so i'm think they either had some spares or another Sphere some where else in the building

Oh right, what were we talking about? Cant remember. And later on David di blast himself with the same gamma chargers as Bruce got in the balls. LOL

 

[Sava]

Oh right, what were we talking about? Cant remember.

lol, who cares anyway.

And later on David di blast himself with the same gamma chargers as Bruce got in the balls. LOL

the must ave had spares around, they always do

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

lol, who cares anyway. the must ave had spares around, they always do

I'm pretty sure they were the ones still there from when the Hulk ripped the sphere out, but as you said who cares!

 

[November Rain]

The Thing was not only an average costume, he was also starring in a fairly poorly-shot movie. FF is not real good cinema. And the practical effects team wasn't that great. It didn't help that his "rocky" skin was so shiny at times, either. But I didn't mind The Thing so much.

With the proper lighting and staging, and subtle effects like small (cg) puffs of rock dust wisping off of him whenever he makes sudden moves, a bit of a bigger (and different) actor to play him...it would've worked better. What you're doing right now is picking bad examples of practical effects.

But you know, I don't hate CG. I hate the overuse and mis-use of it. I feel The Hulk used too much of it, and it wasn't very good. Whenever he emoted, it looked lame, forced, not enough "human" behind it for me. When you're dealing with such a human-like character, with a human face, you should really just use a human, especially in the closeups. Did we really need a full-CG hulk running in the desert? No. We could've just had an actor do ALL of those scenes himself, and it would've been better, more convincing.

Spiderman can get away with so much CG, because he doesn't really have a face with expressions, and its mainly used for action sequences. Even then, in Spiderman 1, the CG was pretty bad in spots.

My thing is, just be open to using a variety of different techniques to sell your character. Use more creativity and not so much technology all the time. American Werewolf In London still remains one of my favorite films, as dated as it is, because they simply understood the concept of staging, drama, and how to really play with the audience's fear. And the more "real" your staging and characters are, the more the real actors are able to immerse themselves in their roles and sell it better.

Just my 2 cents. You ask good questions and raise good points!

the reason i use the Thing is because i can't really think of any other large scale monsters that were pulled off using other means. maybe hellboy but still he was very restricted in the terms of feats.

i think purely based on the scale the hulk was set at, attempting to use other means of selling the character may have proved somewhat non-efficient.

with alien-esque beings it's easy to do so with animatronics because their portrayal can be somewhat simplified and very charicature like. There were quite a lot of close ups of the hulk's face, in most scenes you can see his face actually. I think it would take a very very very highly skilled team to try and pull that off.

i'm not sure myself

i think for some reason or another people are set in their ways about how the hulk should look. realistically we all come from a world where we no such a transformation isn't possibly, heck even other marvel heroes, villains haven't transformed like that in their films.

whatever view point we have whether man in pain, or man in prostetics or cgi or a blend, i don't think anyone is going to be happy. However, what ever method they do use, i do hope that they keep it consistent and in my eyes preferably cgi. I see this because simply by making him tangible, reduces the scale of feats achievable and i don't want to see a de-powered hulk just like a de-powered thing.

the important aspect for me is making sure that his strength and rage aspects are truelly represented even if not for a long period of time, i want all the hulk i see to be impressive feat after feat and as toned down as it may have seen, that's what i felt the movie hulk delivered. There wasn't a single scene he performed where i would have thought any other hero on marvel film could have replicated his actions.

 

[November Rain]

Spider-Man is NOT stronger than the Thing. IN ANY INCARNATION. The Goblin is not stronger than Spider-Man. In the case of the firetruck, it wasn't an issue of strength, but of leverage. He had none. The truck was dangling over the side of the bridge & the challenge was not just to oull it up but to make sure it didn't snap in half. And the Goblin is just a more vicious fighter than Spidey. That was his advantage in every one of their fights-an advantage he lost when he threatened to go back & finish MJ.
I liked the direction they went w/the Thing, as he, unlike the Hulk was always supposed to be more man than monster. But I somehow suspect you're in the minority, arguing that a tangible character is less realistic than a CG one.

i'm sorry chris but you aren't basing your thoughts on what evidence is shown in the films but what you already know about the characters which is jading your opinions.

first off goblin is stronger than parker. parker's very first punch at the goblin is caught and 'mocked' before knocking him aside. in battle spidey was never a match for goblin, even in his last confrontation, norman isn't dazed yet simply reverts to other tactics to gain his victory (or attempted victory).

look at norman on the bridge, not only did he catch a falling tram (which would probably rip ones arm off in that fashion but dragged it up one handed. spidey had some give with his webbing when he grabbed it to soften to impact.

norman also had to get mj and the tram and hold it up there for god knows how long before spidey even showed up and stood there calmly. spidey was having trouble simply holding on to the tram itself.

norman is stronger than spidey.

as for the thing not having leverage, how can a creature possessing more natural grip than most motor vehicles not have grip on infractures that are designed to posess more grip than normal roads so accidents like....firetrucks not falling over wouldn't happen in the first place? You speak of grip, yet he had sufficient enough to take on a hit from a truck full on. it doesn't add up. it clearly shows he has the grip and duration to take a blast from a moving truck but not the 'strength' required to move one, hence him having to re get balance and cause the slipping.


movie thing is way way way down on the marvel strength list, there's no way he could stop a speeding train,


as for tangible vs cgi, it's not as much about their character rather than the feats they perform. flipping tanks, web-slinging flying on goblin glider, cgi helps portray these scenes better and if this makes the character become more realistic through their actions then so be it.

these characters can look as real as anything but if they can't pull off the things they are supposed to then what is the point of having films made about them in the first place.

it's just that hulk feats also come with appearing in a certain manner as well as acting a certain way, so i'm all for it.

but yeah, if the thing was as strong as you say, there's no evidence to suggest it.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

i'm sorry chris but you aren't basing your thoughts on what evidence is shown in the films but what you already know about the characters which is jading your opinions.

first off goblin is stronger than parker. parker's very first punch at the goblin is caught and 'mocked' before knocking him aside. in battle spidey was never a match for goblin, even in his last confrontation, norman isn't dazed yet simply reverts to other tactics to gain his victory (or attempted victory).

look at norman on the bridge, not only did he catch a falling tram (which would probably rip ones arm off in that fashion but dragged it up one handed. spidey had some give with his webbing when he grabbed it to soften to impact.

norman also had to get mj and the tram and hold it up there for god knows how long before spidey even showed up and stood there calmly. spidey was having trouble simply holding on to the tram itself.

norman is stronger than spidey.

as for the thing not having leverage, how can a creature possessing more natural grip than most motor vehicles not have grip on infractures that are designed to posess more grip than normal roads so accidents like....firetrucks not falling over wouldn't happen in the first place? You speak of grip, yet he had sufficient enough to take on a hit from a truck full on. it doesn't add up. it clearly shows he has the grip and duration to take a blast from a moving truck but not the 'strength' required to move one, hence him having to re get balance and cause the slipping.


movie thing is way way way down on the marvel strength list, there's no way he could stop a speeding train,


as for tangible vs cgi, it's not as much about their character rather than the feats they perform. flipping tanks, web-slinging flying on goblin glider, cgi helps portray these scenes better and if this makes the character become more realistic through their actions then so be it.

these characters can look as real as anything but if they can't pull off the things they are supposed to then what is the point of having films made about them in the first place.

it's just that hulk feats also come with appearing in a certain manner as well as acting a certain way, so i'm all for it.

but yeah, if the thing was as strong as you say, there's no evidence to suggest it.

I must disagree about Norman being stronger than Spidey, Spidey often pulls his punches on any villains so as not to overly hurt them. Until he gets pissed off with that is, thats why he did Norman in so easily at the end when he got angry.

 

[November Rain]

nah way, tram holding feats show norman is definitely stronger. It's a situatino where holding back on strength would make no sense what so ever. Goblin definitely got spidey in the strenght department.


this holding punches excuse is always thrown around for spidey, meh,

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

nah way, tram holding feats show norman is definitely stronger. It's a situatino where holding back on strength would make no sense what so ever. Goblin definitely got spidey in the strenght department.


this holding punches excuse is always thrown around for spidey, meh,

Its true though, he never uses his full strength until (and this was true in the cartoons as well) he gets pissed off enough that he doesnt care. Loads of villains have kicked his ass, but when he gets pissed of he just batters them. It took Norman a lot more time and effort to beat Spidey down than it did for Spidey to beat Norman down. Also, what about when Norman uses the tripod on Spidey, SM blocks it with ease and Norman is putting all of his effort in.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Actually it's tri-DENT.
I'll start w/Spidey's first punch, which he threw having no idea how strong the Goblin was, & not having yet faced an opponent w/superhuman strength.
As fot holding up the tram-Spidey held it, too. While using his other hand to hold onto a webline that had to support the entire weight.
And again, when Spidey stopped holding back in the final fight, the Goblin couldn't take him, & had to resort to trickery to try & gain the upper hand.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Actually it's tri-DENT.
I'll start w/Spidey's first punch, which he threw having no idea how strong the Goblin was, & not having yet faced an opponent w/superhuman strength.
As fot holding up the tram-Spidey held it, too. While using his other hand to hold onto a webline that had to support the entire weight.
And again, when Spidey stopped holding back in the final fight, the Goblin couldn't take him, & had to resort to trickery to try & gain the upper hand.

Exactly, Norman was strong, but he couldnt handle a pissed off Spidey.

 

[LostSon88]

How exactly are they going to market a remake to the general audience who for the most part will not understand why they remade it less than 5 years before the original?

Hell, even I don't get it.

 

[Golgo-13]

You know what might please both sides of the fan coin?(the ones that want a re-start, and the ones who want a sequel) ,is if they make an unofficial sequel/restart. Have a new cast (or not) and have it start with Banner having already undergone his gamma bomb experiment (show the comic book version of it in a flash back scene), and then the movie starts of with him trying to cure himself, then they could just show Abominations origin in real time in the movie.

In other words similar in how the 90's animated series started off...before it went downhill with the introduction of She-Hulk as his side-kick.

 

[November Rain]

Its true though, he never uses his full strength until (and this was true in the cartoons as well) he gets pissed off enough that he doesnt care. Loads of villains have kicked his ass, but when he gets pissed of he just batters them. It took Norman a lot more time and effort to beat Spidey down than it did for Spidey to beat Norman down. Also, what about when Norman uses the tripod on Spidey, SM blocks it with ease and Norman is putting all of his effort in.

spidey's holding punches is the reason for any thing and anything ever wrong in a battle scenario, I don't even think superman holds his punches or its used by his fan contigency as much as spidey is for his. I suppose superman's rogue gallery actually requires for him to go all out more often these days....

norman's trident escapade can be rationalised as being similiar to parker's punch grab. Norman wasn't expecting it.

both scenes had one person being caught off guard and flung unexpectedly, although goblin's fling of spidey was more vigorous....

i'd happily say both examples cancel each other up, and i won't bring it up again although saying this, i would say it shows they are at least equal in power, especially considering we never see a 'PISSED OFF' goblin so no fair comparison is expected....