no sentinels outside the DR

[Superbeasto]

I really believed they would be in the final battle

 

[chaseter]

I really believed they would be in the final battle

Sorry

 

[Mar420x]

yea i had a good feeling that they wouldnt show up @ the end for the final battle. i guess the aint it cool script news had up last yr is looking 2 be true as the clips, trailers, and tv spots have shown. peace

 

[Abaddon]

again I ask,why is Trask there?

 

[The Infernal]

We were talking about the timeline earlier. This game is and I repeat the "OFFICIAL" game for the movie verse. All the characters in the game that were in the movies have their likeliness as well as their voices I believe. It has been stated by Kinberg, etc... that the game is the events happening between X2 and X3 and will explain many things that fans want to know. Although the game might be a little more outlandish in action sequences or events, it is still set in the movieverse and follows the same aspects that the movies do.

You can shout 'official' all you like. I'm just saying that it's possible that they can ignore it if they wanted to, it's not set in stone. There have been other official movie games set in the same continuity etc and haven't been referrenced in the sequels.

If however this is the one time where it is referrenced in the sequels and not ignored then that would be cool.

 

[freshandclean]

You can shout 'official' all you like. I'm just saying that it's possible that they can ignore it if they wanted to, it's not set in stone. There have been other official movie games set in the same continuity etc and haven't been referrenced in the sequels.

If however this is the one time where it is referrenced in the sequels and not ignored then that would be cool.

Oh yeah. If, by the next film, they want to include something that conflicts with the video game, they would totally ignore it.

 

[The Infernal]

Oh yeah. If, by the next film, they want to include something that conflicts with the video game, they would totally ignore it.

Yes, that's more or less it. Though they could easily validate the game by including certain elements in the upcoming movie.

 

[migs]

this is kind of sad news, but I guess sentinels weren't really necessary for the final battle. One thing though, if they don't show up and Mr. Trask has no referenced link to the sentinels in the movie, I will be really pissed. Why would they pick him to be an aide to the pres, just for the sake of a random comic reference. Boo. Bad choice. Better to have a randomly named person than a character that is easily recognized as being attached to the sentinel program.

The best way to handle the sentinel issue if they don't show up in the final battle, imo, is to have the x men battling the robot in the DR because they have encountered similar prototype sentinels in the past, and then to have a scene with trask and the pres at a sentinel manufacturing facility at the end of the movie discussing the need for drastic measures after some crazy stuff happens in the final battle.

 

[chaseter]

You can shout 'official' all you like. I'm just saying that it's possible that they can ignore it if they wanted to, it's not set in stone. There have been other official movie games set in the same continuity etc and haven't been referrenced in the sequels.

If however this is the one time where it is referrenced in the sequels and not ignored then that would be cool.

That wasn't your original complaint and argument. I simply stated and corrected you on the fact that this game is the official events between X2 and X3. I never said once that anything they do in a game cannot be overturned in future movies.

 

[The Infernal]

That wasn't your original complaint and argument. I simply stated and corrected you on the fact that this game is the official events between X2 and X3. I never said once that anything they do in a game cannot be overturned in future movies.

I apologise if I didn't make myself clear at the time. What I had meant was while it was official, it might not be true continuity if the filmmakers decide so at a later date.

 

[The Infernal]

this is kind of sad news, but I guess sentinels weren't really necessary for the final battle. One thing though, if they don't show up and Mr. Trask has no referenced link to the sentinels in the movie, I will be really pissed. Why would they pick him to be an aide to the pres, just for the sake of a random comic reference. Boo. Bad choice. Better to have a randomly named person than a character that is easily recognized as being attached to the sentinel program.

The best way to handle the sentinel issue if they don't show up in the final battle, imo, is to have the x men battling the robot in the DR because they have encountered similar prototype sentinels in the past, and then to have a scene with trask and the pres at a sentinel manufacturing facility at the end of the movie discussing the need for drastic measures after some crazy stuff happens in the final battle.

Well I guess having Trask would mean less time to develop his character and the storyline of the Sentinel programme. Presuming that they give the character good dialogue and present his viewpoint clearly, then the Sentinels could be fully introduced in X4, or even the rumoured 'new mutants' movie.

 

[Mike059jig]

I always thought the sentinels should show up after this huge war in X3...when all the mutants seem weakened and lead it into X4 i guess..Seeing sentinels in the Danger room is a LAME cameo and sucks!!!!

 

[chaseter]

I always thought the sentinels should show up after this huge war in X3...when all the mutants seem weakened and lead it into X4 i guess..Seeing sentinels in the Danger room is a LAME cameo and sucks!!!!

Better than no sentinels at all...at least we are getting them. There is no way we can fit every single thing we all want into X3 and have time.

 

[Mike059jig]

Better than no sentinels at all...at least we are getting them. There is no way we can fit every single thing we all want into X3 and have time.

Why are they fighting a huge ROBOT in the first place shoudn't they be fight somethin there own size since their just going up against other mutants???holograms of other mutant maybe but not an oversize robot... i guess they just had to stuff the sentinels in somewhere

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

That wasn't your original complaint and argument. I simply stated and corrected you on the fact that this game is the official events between X2 and X3. I never said once that anything they do in a game cannot be overturned in future movies.

Actually, it's not even really "official"

It's more like the Star Wars books.

Lucas liscenses them, and allows them to take the Star Wars name, logos, characters, and all other likeness... however, they're essentially just glorified fan fiction.

Despite all the official names, logos, and other likeness, they are not a part of the official Star Wars continuity and timeline. George Lucas himself has stated that the only real timeline is the 6 movies. Nothing else counts. Luke didn't really turn to the darkside after episode 6... Boba Fett didn't really survive the Sarlacc pit.

And it's just like this. The "Official" attatched to this game is just marketing. It's "Official" because it's allowed to use the names, logos, voice overs, etc... from the movie universe. But it's happenings aren't part of the movie-verse time line.

Do you know why?

It's bad storytelling.

It's horrible storytelling to make a movie, the 3rd in a franchise, leave plotholes either in the movie itself, or between 2 movies (in this case X2 and X-Men 3) only to force the audience to have to play a game to get the answers to those plot holes. Not everyone is going to play the games. It is absolutley horrible storytelling to make your audience have to play a game, read a novelization, or access any other form of media to address questions, and essentially get the full story. If you can't tell your full story in the movie, then you're not a good storyteller.

That's why the game isn't part of the official timeline, no matter how many "Official X3" tags are put on it, and no matter how many lines Alan Cumming voice overs.

The official timeline is X-Men, X2: X-Men United, and X-Men: The Last Stand

My response towards Sentinels coming in my next post...

 

[Weapon M]

Well we can't get everything we want...

Making a movie, and developing a story is not as easy as it seems. I mean sometimes I think alot of us fans just want a super hero movie with a porn script. Just slap all the heroes together and give them reasons to knock the snot out of each other. Meanwhile the writers etc. Think about ways they can make the movie balanced and have all the charectors developed properly etc.
They sometimes come into problems they cannot see themselves getting out of, so they just make some sacrafices and edit out certain elements they didnt want to....--

--DAMNIT I WANT THE SENTINELS IN THE F#@$%%@$# MOVIE!!! WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY SMOKING?!?!?!?!??! FRIGGIN THROW THEM IN THERE SOMEHOW MAN!! HOW FRIGGIN HARD IS IT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? AARRRRGGGHHH!!!!!!!!! DAMN YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[TNC9852002]

Well, here is my reaction to this news:

-TNC

 

[TigerClaw]

You know, Like it or not, We still got Sentinels in the movie, No matter if there a simulation or not, The fact to the matter is, The movie is based in the real world, Putting 50 feet tall robots attacking mutants wouldn't be believable, This movie is more about character development, Its about the drama of Humans vs Mutants and Mutants vs Mutants. In the movie were supposed to care for these characters. Having giant 50 feet robots would take away from the overall story.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

...now for my post about Sentinels.

First of all, I'd just like to address the "realism" issue.

How is a world filled with mutants who are given fantastic powers because of a gene, Cerebro, Blackbird Jets, doomsday mutating machines, and holographic training rooms, too realistic for A.I. controlled robots?

A.I. actually exists in reality. X-Genes do not.

Robots actually exist in reality. Brainwave enhancing devices to track human beings across the globe do not.

A.I. is used in hi-tech weaponry in real life. Machines that trigger this X-Gene mutation do not.

So tell me again, how is a Sentinel not realistic enough? It is hi-tech weaponry, controlled by A.I., something that exists in real life. There are plenty of things in these movies that don't exist in real life, and are purely fantastical. Sentinels are science fiction, with real life elements that could make mutant hunting robots truly believable, especially in a fictional world that has been established to be a place that is not very kind towards mutant-kind.

Now that I've gotten that out of the way, I'd like to address the lack of Sentinels in this movie...

Kinberg said that there's too much emotional stuff, i.e. the cure, Phoenix, etc... to just pack in giant robots...

Talk about over-simplification. If you think about it, Sentinels can be very emotional as well. They are weapons built because of intolerance towards a specific group of people, a weapon built for the destruction of that group of people. Tell me how that's not emotional again? And it fits in perfectly with what this movie is providing.

We have a cure for mutation. People are looking at this as a disease. These PEOPLE are diseased simply for being who they are. And this cure is developed to make these people NORMAL. The whole thought that mutants are defective people. That's very powerful.

Now expand on that...

Mutants are defects, and need to be "cured" to become normal... we also have the "racism" so to speak against this group of people. The fear that surrounds them. It's been talked about how people are scared to have their children going to school with mutants. Now we have these weapons developed for the sole purpose of dealing with the mutant threat. Something that Magneto predicted. Something that he lived through, something that he didn't want to ever see happen again.

Sentinels are basically the X-Men universe's fantastical version of the Nazi death camps. Kinberg's reply is like saying the Nazi death camps weren't emotional, because they were just buildings, locations. But that's so far from the truth. Those buildings, those locations, were there for one purpose... the slaughter of millions of people for no other reason than being different from what was deemed to be acceptable.

And that's exactly what Sentinels are. Weapons designed for one purpose... the capture or destruction of those who are different from what's deemed to be acceptable. Now tell me that's not emotional. It gives Magneto's motives complete justification. It brings his arc full circle. His whole reason for not being a pacifist, and believing that mutants and humans could never co-exist... "Let them kill me and they'll have a number burned into your head with the rest of them"

When this war occurs... when the Brotherhood marches on Alcatraz, a cure won't be enough. And neither will the Registration Act. Drastic times call for drastic measures. And these weapons built for one purpose, and one purpose alone, are the drastic measures to be taken when a group of mutants is destroying a world famous landmark, and launching an assault on another landmark, putting thousands upon thousands of lives at stake.

It's also kind of hypocritical that the reasoning for not including Gambit was because they wanted to get his character right... yet by not including Sentinels, they are totally inaccuratley portraying another major character in the X-Men universe, Bolivar Trask.

I think that this is a missed oppourtunity, and a very big one. Sentinels being the major threat from the humans would have been HUGE. But instead, we're getting a glorified version of the final battle from X-Men with the X-Men vs. the Brotherhood, and toss in some cannon fodder soldiers with guns into the mix...

These questions still remain though...

With Kinberg's latest comments about the Sentinels, if he really is confirming they aren't outside of the Danger Room, then why would he say "spoiler" before, when directly asked if they were outside the Danger Room?

And the other question, which is pretty big to me, if Sentinels are merely going to be in the Danger Room, and not be a part of the plot, why would they have their description on the main page? Why would they talk about a "last resort", and deals with big time weapons & arms manufacturers? And why would they mention something along the lines of "when this last resort is put into effect, we can only hope that mutantkind is prepared for this threat"?

And a final question, despite my feelings towards the game being an official part of the movie timeline, it is still based on the movie-verse... the backgrounds of all the characters there are based on the movie verse counterparts, not the 616. If Sentinels aren't in, and Trask doesn't produce Sentinels, why does the game website name Trask as the creator of the Sentinels?

Is it neccesarily looking good for Sentinels to be in the final battle? Probably not.

But the question hasn't been totally answered yet. It's been strongly hinted at. But there is still some evidence pointing towards them still appearing.

Afterall... there is a contridiction between Kinberg's runtime, and the runtime we are hearing here. Kinberg also stated that he feels disappointed about how much information has been revealed at this point. It could be a possibility (even if it's a slim one) that Kinberg is trying his damndest to at least keep SOMETHING unknown for May 26th.

I will end with this; if Sentinels do end up only being a Danger Room training simulation... it is better than nothing. BUT, it's pretty much the same as having Gambit's name on the computer screen in X2. It's a nice nod, but the character still isn't there.

It's not a real Sentinel when it's just a training simulation, and everything that a Sentinel stands for is not put into effect.

Just like it wasn't really Gambit when all we saw was a name on a computer screen.

Will the Danger Room sequence be awesome? Most likely. But Gambit's name on the computer screen is a pretty awesome 1.3 seconds also... doesn't mean it's satisfying.

 

[Weapon M]

I'm sorry Nell2ThaIzzay I'm not reading that.... It's a post not a screenplay.. My eyes are just too tired and too overwhelmed to read so much. I only read books if it changes something about me in the end.. Something like my life.. I dont think this will... I think it will be like Chinese.. I'll still be wondering what happend...
Lets just saayy i agree. okay?

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I'm sorry Nell2ThaIzzay I'm not reading that.... It's a post not a screenplay.. My eyes are just too tired and too overwhelmed to read so much. I only read books if it changes something about me in the end.. Something like my life.. I dont think this will... I think it will be like Chinese.. I'll still be wondering what happend...
Lets just saayy i agree. okay?

There's no need to reply to me if you're not going to read it.

 

[Weapon M]

Nell2ThaIzzay

you know I love you

 

[GoldGoblin]

I always thought the sentinels should show up after this huge war in X3...when all the mutants seem weakened and lead it into X4 i guess..Seeing sentinels in the Danger room is a LAME cameo and sucks!!!!

^Tell me about it,what a huge disappointment.

 

[Proteus-X312]

Sentinels outside the Danger Room might have meant too many plot points towards the end of the film with Phoenix, the cure and the brotherhood already taking up space.

I would have preferred if they didn't have Sentinels at all as they should really be a leading plot point in a different X-Men film.

I agree.I always thought that they might appear in the final battle but I realized that it would be way too cluttered.The X-Men have to take on Dark Phoenix and the new Brotherhood which is alot going on in itself.X3 will still be great.

 

[XCharlieX]

I dont have any issue with sentinels in the movie, as long as theyre done in a camp free fashion: lose the purple, show their power and as Nell said put them to use for story: a weapon of intolerance. In the x men future, technology has apparently made some advancements due to mutation research etc so i may not have a problem. I may have an issue with them flying, as if done wrong it could look ridiculous. I respect your povs Nell as you bring interesting conversation everytime, so ill have to peacefully disagree here again. IMO in a movie with people flying, if directed wrong, it could strain the premise and look like a collection of scifi cliches. Like I said before.. the unknown is a tightrope. Theres rules to make intelligent humans believe it.. and that means not going overboard with 100 unrelated outlandish ideas. I have always went by that approach and love movies that do such.