Days of Future Past Where have the Sentinels been?

[X-Maniac]

I meant to the war breaking out rather than the announcement of the Sentinel X (it wouldn't be too far fetched to say that it was in development for 7 years, 06-13)

Also the destruction and takeover of the school just 4 years after the incident. As Ron Burgundy would say, "Well that escalated quickly" *insert gif here*
We see mutants rebuilding the bridge and a utopian world in X3 (06) and then it jumps into the US strengthening its boarders and creating mutant inhibitor collars. Why would they need that based on how mutant relations ended unless they were trying to prevent another Alcatraz incident all over again, which then escalated to 2013 when they were finally ready to deploy their best weapon.

Clearly things weren't as utopian as they seemed at the end of The Last Stand. I can imagine there would be some heated political debates about what happened on Alcatraz, for a start. And as the 25 Moments says, the Cure led to a lot of new research into mutation (including by Trask Industries).

Of course part of the thing is that X3 tried to have a nice happy conclusion so its implied utopia was partly suggested by this being the end of the trilogy, and the last X-Men movie at that point (apart from the spin-offs and prequels they had already decided to focus on instead)

 

[icekid]

No, it isn't. Read the 25 Moments website.

The new and improved Sentinels weren't launched until 2013.

The X3 events were in 2006. It took another seven years for the next Sentinel model to appear.

So what happened in those 7 years. Read the 25 Moments website:

http://www.25moments.com/

It also mentions Yoshida Industries, who as we know is now run by Mariko, who has a mutant best friend and is in love with Wolverine. They just dropped the name as a nod. The liberty island incident would have also been a good time to throw some tie in.

This i just fun marketing, but i don't think we can truly hold everything it says to heart. This is an afterthought of film making, these things weren't exactly held to fact during the making and conceptualizing of the film's story.

 

[DarkXorn]

Afterthought or not they still took the time to answer many questions that we would have been asking and they were unable to cover in the film. These promotional tie-ins should be taken as 100% canon to the movie franchise IMO.

 

[X-Maniac]

It also mentions Yoshida Industries, who as we know is now run by Mariko, who has a mutant best friend and is in love with Wolverine. They just dropped the name as a nod. The liberty island incident would have also been a good time to throw some tie in.

This i just fun marketing, but i don't think we can truly hold everything it says to heart. This is an afterthought of film making, these things weren't exactly held to fact during the making and conceptualizing of the film's story.

I agree the mention of Yashida Industries is a slight oddity, although they were a major science/tech corporation and might well be looking at the possibilities suggested by the 'cure', or might well have been contracted to do so.

 

[icekid]

Afterthought or not they still took the time to answer many questions that we would have been asking and they were unable to cover in the film. These promotional tie-ins should be taken as 100% canon to the movie franchise IMO.

Did it answer questions, absolutely! The Yashida thing just doesn't make sense to me. If we're going to take in every films marketing into canon, while we're at it, remember the search engine on the X3 official site. You could search Bolivar Trask which gave you his bio, you could search Sentinels and Project Wide-awake which came up classified. You could also search strange occurrences near Alkali Lake which mentioned strange lights hinting at Phoenix and yet none of these things count anymore. So how far can we really take these things?

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Previously they tried controlling Mutants (registration), then suppressing them (The Cure), both failed and after the Alcatraz Island incident I imagine the world leaders, probably in secret meetings, decided that Mutants are too powerful to live and worked on projects to exterminate Mutants.

Thus led to the revival of the Sentinel program.

 

[icekid]

Previously they tried controlling them (registration), then subduing them (The Cure) and both failed. With

After the Alcatraz Island incident I imagine the world leaders, probably in secret meetings, decided that Mutants are too powerful to live and worked on projects to exterminate Mutants, thus led to the revival of the Sentinel program.

My thoughts exactly. The Phoenix incident was a catalyst for the future developing into what it is from both the human and mutant standpoints.

 

[Mulholland-Jr]

The OT only spans a little over a year. The Sentinel program might be something that's been brought up and put on ice many times. Kinda like how Storm mentions that the Registration Act has been reintroduced several times in X2. Maybe in that time the Sentinel program was dormant. I mean, we see Jean Grey in a position to propose legislation and Hank McCoy as a cabinet member for the President. I don't think that's reaching. We don't even really know how or when the Sentinels go all Skynet in the first place.

 

[icekid]

The OT only spans a little over a year. The Sentinel program might be something that's been brought up and put on ice many times. Kinda like how Storm mentions that the Registration Act has been reintroduced several times in X2. Maybe in that time the Sentinel program was dormant. I mean, we see Jean Grey in a position to propose legislation and Hank McCoy as a cabinet member for the President. I don't think that's reaching. We don't even really know how or when the Sentinels go all Skynet in the first place.

True, all we know is " At first the Sentinels were only targeting X-Men, then they were targeting everybody"-Logan

What, why and how, we don't know.

 

[Farren]

My guess is that Phoenix played a part in the escalation towards Mark X, but she was just one of many factors. I doubt DoFP is going to make her actions in X3 into a major turning point: it asks the audience to rely too much remembering a specific event from the OT.

Afterthought or not they still took the time to answer many questions that we would have been asking and they were unable to cover in the film. These promotional tie-ins should be taken as 100% canon to the movie franchise IMO.

Ideally, yes, but I think some of us have been suspicious that it might not be canon, because there are some oddities in it. Something that keeps throwing me is the photoshopping of 70s Magneto and Xavier into pictures set before DoFP -- unless those pictures are MEANT to look doctored, they don't make sense logically.

 

[DarkXorn]

Did it answer questions, absolutely! The Yashida thing just doesn't make sense to me. If we're going to take in every films marketing into canon, while we're at it, remember the search engine on the X3 official site. You could search Bolivar Trask which gave you his bio, you could search Sentinels and Project Wide-awake which came up classified. You could also search strange occurrences near Alkali Lake which mentioned strange lights hinting at Phoenix and yet none of these things count anymore. So how far can we really take these things?

We take it the same way until the latest film retcons a plot device or promotional campaign as they will do from time to time. As it stands at the moment, I'm taking all of this new information into account when watching the movie. The DOFP websites are far more ambitious than anything they have previously conceived. They are concise and fill in alot of details. More than a nifty little easter egg. This information was put up to construct a coherant timeline and fill in missing bits and pieces.

 

[Sithborg]

The Yashida thing makes a lot of sense, and seems to fit in pretty well. The announcement of the Mark X would likely be what Xavier and Magneto were talking about in the end credits scene of The Wolverine. So, 2 years prior, placing The Wolverine in 2011, Yashida Corp would still have had a lot of research into the X-gene. Granted, it was mainly about transference of powers, more specifically Logan's, but I can see how they would market it as a cure, if other competitors were attempting to perfect the cure. Shingen did mention his father was obsessed with mutants.

As for the Sentinels not being widespread. The combination of being old technology and the US being a bit uneasy about giant death robots on American soil (see the drone debate), would mean they wouldn't be seen too often, or available quickly.

 

[DarkXorn]

My guess is that Phoenix played a part in the escalation towards Mark X, but she was just one of many factors. I doubt DoFP is going to make her actions in X3 into a major turning point: it asks the audience to rely too much remembering a specific event from the OT.Ideally, yes, but I think some of us have been suspicious that it might not be canon, because there are some oddities in it. Something that keeps throwing me is the photoshopping of 70s Magneto and Xavier into pictures set before DoFP -- unless those pictures are MEANT to look doctored, they don't make sense logically.

The future costumes and images in the 25 moments is very odd and I understand it doesn't flow, but I think that was either a tongue in cheek reference or perhaps because they didn't have permission to place the characters younger images when editing, and all they had was the DOFP promo images. I certainly don't think it was meant to take away from the credibility of the new information. But I guess until there's an official statement we can take it either way. I know when I go to the cinema I'll be happier knowing when the Mark X was deployed and how Angel and Beast met their end without having it explicitly stated.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

I wonder what event Wolverine is trying to prevent. Seemingly the X3 Alcatraz Island would be the point-in-time to change .

But an Assassination in the 70s is what he is going to change. (it would be cool to see Logan tell Charles not to suppress Jeans Phoenix power and instead teach her more control to prevent a explosive release)

 

[Farren]

The future costumes and images in the 25 moments is very odd and I understand it doesn't flow, but I think that was either a tongue in cheek reference or perhaps because they didn't have permission to place the characters younger images when editing, and all they had was the DOFP promo images. I certainly don't think it was meant to take away from the credibility of the new information. But I guess until there's an official statement we can take it either way. I know when I go to the cinema I'll be happier knowing when the Mark X was deployed and how Angel and Beast met their end without having it explicitly stated.

Oh yeah don't get me wrong I like the viral sites, and I love to play around with theories that they might be hinting at.

It's just hard to know how to interpret them and how to weigh the significance of some of their information, especially when it seems to clash with the OT. (Like, wow, Magneto was convicted of killing JFK and no one ever mentions it? And he goes to a congressional hearing?) -- things like that make me wonder I'm supposed to think someone has already messed with the timeline, or if it's just something I'm supposed to overlook. I think questioning the canon-ness of the viral campaign is just something a lot of us are doing just in order to weigh the likelihood of different possibilities. Like I said: I like playing around with the theories it's suggesting. We just can't be sure.

 

[icekid]

(it would be cool to see Logan tell Charles not to suppress Jeans Phoenix power and instead teach her more control to prevent a explosive release)

I personally think that's exactly what might happen as well. It would solve a wold of issues and potentially play in Logan's favor ( )

 

[darkcajld]

No, it isn't. Read the 25 Moments website.

The new and improved Sentinels weren't launched until 2013.

The X3 events were in 2006. It took another seven years for the next Sentinel model to appear.

So what happened in those 7 years. Read the 25 Moments website:

http://www.25moments.com/

I wanted to say it isn't that deep and we shouldn't nit pick everything. 25 moments were done as someone said to just tie some things up and was an afterthought for let's be honest hardcore fans (not that they did a good job but at least they tried).

Also I didn't say they put them after X3 but thing that happened than made them re-think about starting producing them again (hence thats why they had many mutants taken so they could experiment and make new Sentinels good for fighting mutants or I'm wrong again ... oh well ... *going to 25moments again).

 

[Farren]

You know something that's weird to me: if Mystique assassinating Trask is the lynchpin for this dystopian future, then why is it that his survival is so important? Because in the viral campaign his death is never mentioned, and never mentioned as some sort of major public event. It could just be that the viral people have been instructed to avoid that plot point because it's too spoilery, but the film-makers themselves have hinted and/or flat out told us that it's Trask who is the target, correct? (someone correct me if I'm wrong).

What I'm getting at is, if his death isn't a major public event leading to backlash against mutants, then why is it so significant? We all keep seeing Trask as the bad guy here, but what if the reason his death is significant is because of something like: the sentinels later bug out and start killing everyone, and Trask could have prevented it due to his intimate knowledge of their programming? What if the goal isn't "Stop Mystique from assassinating someone who's death sparks outrage against mutants", but "save the life of the one guy who can later stop the sentinels"?

Just a thought that occurred to me.

Something else interesting: in the tv roll call spot, Logan says that at first the Sentinels started targeting X-Men, then targeting "everyone else." The 25 moments site says that Angel was killed during a protest in 2011, "in the ensuing chaos" of Sentinels attacking protestors. The sentinel in the picture is a Mark I sentinel. Could it be that even before the Mark X, someone was programming sentinels to assassinate X-Men and make it look like accidents?

I wonder what event Wolverine is trying to prevent. Seemingly the X3 Alcatraz Island would be the point-in-time to change .

But an Assassination in the 70s is what he is going to change. (it would be cool to see Logan tell Charles not to suppress Jeans Phoenix power and instead teach her more control to prevent a explosive release)

Yeah I'm suspicious Logan is going to be tempted to drop some other hints to Charles. I mean, how could he not? I would.

Ever since that first trailer, with Young Xavier shouting "I don't want your future, I don't want your suffering" I've wondered what he's talking about, because it doesn't strike me as something one would say to someone trying to warn you how to avert a dystopian future -- I mean, hello, that's what Old Xavier is trying to help you prevent, right? Why are you mad at HIM? I wonder if that's NOT what Young Xavier is talking about. Maybe what he is saying is, "I don't want the events of the OT where one of my pupils goes beserk, kills me, kills Scott, and sets back mutant-human relations." Which leads to me think one of two things is going on here: that the timeline has already been altered, hence Future Xavier not being dead, and Young Charles doesn't want to restore the original one; or, Wolverine's dropped some hints about other bad stuff that's happened in the OT, and Young Charles wants more information so he can prevent those things too (and that Old Charles is going to be resistant to making additional alterations).

(I hope that all makes sense -- this topic always turns my brain to mush).

 

[icekid]

You know something that's weird to me: if Mystique assassinating Trask is the lynchpin for this dystopian future, then why is it that his survival is so important? Because in the viral campaign his death is never mentioned, and never mentioned as some sort of major public event. It could just be that the viral people have been instructed to avoid that plot point because it's too spoilery, but the film-makers themselves have hinted and/or flat out told us that it's Trask who is the target, correct? (someone correct me if I'm wrong).

That's just the thing, no one has specifically said who is the target. We assume it's Trask because of his involvement, but we don't know that. we don't know who dies. It's been hinted that there's an assassination that they have to prevent, but that dates all the way back to october when an article detailed kitty's involvement in which they also stated "something happens to kitty". We don't know how much of this is true, or still true.

They could honestly just be trying to prevent Master Mold's inception but that would be too Terminator like. Master Mold probably isn't even a thing in the film.

 

[Legion]

I wonder what event Wolverine is trying to prevent. Seemingly the X3 Alcatraz Island would be the point-in-time to change .

But an Assassination in the 70s is what he is going to change. (it would be cool to see Logan tell Charles not to suppress Jeans Phoenix power and instead teach her more control to prevent a explosive release)

I forget where I read it but I remember recently reading an article that said

Spoiler

Mystique assassinated or attempts to assassinate Trask and/or Nixon. I guess it's one of those things where her actions proved them right.

Stopping Alcatraz may not solve the problem. The seed was planted years earlier that mutants are dangerous and Sentinels already created. But if they can save the person that created the Sentinels maybe they can convince him not all mutants are dangerous and his weapons aren't needed.

 

[Tymminator]

Previously they tried controlling Mutants (registration), then suppressing them (The Cure), both failed and after the Alcatraz Island incident I imagine the world leaders, probably in secret meetings, decided that Mutants are too powerful to live and worked on projects to exterminate Mutants.

Thus led to the revival of the Sentinel program.

That works, kinda what I think as well.

 

[Tymminator]

Hey, is there any word on if they will address Jason Stryker in any way this time around?

 

[Farren]

Hey, is there any word on if they will address Jason Stryker in any way this time around?

To my knowledge: no.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

What I'm getting at is, if his death isn't a major public event leading to backlash against mutants, then why is it so significant? We all keep seeing Trask as the bad guy here, but what if the reason his death is significant is because of something like: the sentinels later bug out and start killing everyone, and Trask could have prevented it due to his intimate knowledge of their programming? What if the goal isn't "Stop Mystique from assassinating someone who's death sparks outrage against mutants", but "save the life of the one guy who can later stop the sentinels"?

Just a thought that occurred to me.

Good thought. Save the life of the guy who creates the weapons which destroys the future and any number of different outcomes can occurs that stops that future.

Yeah I'm suspicious Logan is going to be tempted to drop some other hints to Charles. I mean, how could he not? I would.

Same I'll be disappointed if he doesn't. Like all fans I want to see Jean and Cyke return at the end when Logan awakens. Telling him to stop Scott going to Alkali lake or not suppressing Jeans powers would save them.

Fox knows he much fans want that. I'm a fox supporter as I have liked the majority of X-Men movies but ignoring that would make me quite mad at them.

Ever since that first trailer, with Young Xavier shouting "I don't want your future, I don't want your suffering" I've wondered what he's talking about, because it doesn't strike me as something one would say to someone trying to warn you how to avert a dystopian future -- I mean, hello, that's what Old Xavier is trying to help you prevent, right? Why are you mad at HIM? I wonder if that's NOT what Young Xavier is talking about. Maybe what he is saying is, "I don't want the events of the OT where one of my pupils goes beserk, kills me, kills Scott, and sets back mutant-human relations." Which leads to me think one of two things is going on here: that the timeline has already been altered, hence Future Xavier not being dead, and Young Charles doesn't want to restore the original one; or, Wolverine's dropped some hints about other bad stuff that's happened in the OT, and Young Charles wants more information so he can prevent those things too (and that Old Charles is going to be resistant to making additional alterations).

(I hope that all makes sense -- this topic always turns my brain to mush).

I think I get you. Meaning young Charles knows form old Charles the hardships he'll face and not want to go through with them but perhaps Old Charles tells him he must or something

I forget where I read it but I remember recently reading an article that said

Spoiler

Mystique assassinated or attempts to assassinate Trask and/or Nixon. I guess it's one of those things where her actions proved them right.

Stopping Alcatraz may not solve the problem. The seed was planted years earlier that mutants are dangerous and Sentinels already created. But if they can save the person that created the Sentinels maybe they can convince him not all mutants are dangerous and his weapons aren't needed.

Ooh I like that.

I can't really remember the comics but if I recall correctly in the cartoon they save Sneator Kelly who is running for Presidency and convince him that not all mutants are bad and he changes from an anti-mutant guy to a more neutral guy, which ripples through time.

If....

Spoiler

They do the same with Trask then years later he, or the legacy he leaves could not create the MK X's and thus no dystopian future.

... From Sentinels at least.

 

[eledoremassis02]

I'm guessing something happened originally that either halted the Setinels production or moved the X-mens attention to something else (Magneto hiding from Charles maybe?)
By the time X3 happens we can now assume they started training to fight them (as there really wasn't a way for them to that outside the danger room) However, they don't really become an issue until the end of The Wolverine