The Dark Knight Nod to the DC universe

[BatScot]

last time I checked, i haven't scene a miltary vehicle bought buy a rich man, who uses it to fight crime at night and drive it on the roof tops of buildings.... or gas that causes people to go crazy released an a city wide scale.......... to many people the notion of the that stuff is bizzare....

Then you had better check again, because I allowed for the bizzare:

... if I can walk out into the street and see it, then fine, put it in, no matter how bizarre

... but maybe you missed that.

Now I might not see a rich man in a tank on a roof everyday—or ever—but I could... but I will never see a man leap into the sky and fly away, nor will you... or you:

Touche!

Un-touche?

 

[Retroman]

As said before theres a mention of Gotham in Superman Returns. The production designer of the same film said in an interview that he planted more references on the set which you probably won't be able to spot until the dvd is released.

Apparently, there was a prop on the Daily Planet building set feat a newspaper headline of a 'Mysterious bat creature' with a pic taken by JJimmy Olsen in Gotham. Perry White's office also has clocks showing the time in major cities incl. Gotham City.

And to cap things off according to comixfan.com in the Superman Returns prequel comics (written by Singer and co) Lois initially turns down an offer to write a story about Superman's long absence. When Perry threatens to give the story to Vicki Vale, a photojournalist of the Gotham Gazette who also has ties to caped crusaders, Lois sarcastically takes the story to save the Daily Planet's reputation.

 

[BatScot]

As said before theres a mention of Gotham in Superman Returns.

When I heard that, I must admit I thought it was cool (and I actually wondered about a Batman/Superman film)... I have no problem with Batman in a Superman universe, but I don't want Superman anywhere near Nolan's world.

 

[Retroman]

Then you had better check again, because I allowed for the bizzare:

... but maybe you missed that.

Now I might not see a rich man in a tank on a roof everyday—or ever—but I could... but I will never see a man leap into the sky and fly away, nor will you... or you:

Un-touche?

I still wouldn't mind the Gotham reference. After all its still fantasy.Its still a movie.

In BB its alluded that Ra's Al Ghul has lived for a centuries just like he has in the comics. Thats pretty bizarre and unrealistic if you ask anyone just as as bizarre as a man who can fly.

 

[Retroman]

When I heard that, I must admit I thought it was cool (and I actually wondered about a Batman/Superman film)... I have no problem with Batman in a Superman universe, but I don't want Superman anywhere near Nolan's world.

You have every right to feel that way.

 

[BatScot]

In BB its alluded that Ra's Al Ghul has lived for a centuries just like he has in the comics. Thats pretty bizarre and unrealistic if you ask anyone just as as bizarre as a man who can fly.

Not really, it was also alluded that Ra's was not one man but many different individuals over the course of those centuries: Ra's never says "I", he says "we" in reference to the longevity of the League.

 

[Retroman]

Not really, it was also alluded that Ra's was not one man but many different individuals over the course of those centuries: Ra's never says "I", he says "we" in reference to the longevity of the League.

Touché....

 

[Katsuro]

Not really, it was also alluded that Ra's was not one man but many different individuals over the course of those centuries: Ra's never says "I", he says "we" in reference to the longevity of the League.

Don't tell me you believe that crap about Ken Watanabe being Ra's, then Ducard being his successor after his death. Watanabe was Ubu.

 

[StorminNorman]

Not really, it was also alluded that Ra's was not one man but many different individuals over the course of those centuries: Ra's never says "I", he says "we" in reference to the longevity of the League.

I hope you are wrong for the simple fact that Liam Neeson MUST return to the franchise.

 

[BatScot]

Don't tell me you believe that crap about Ken Watanabe being Ra's, then Ducard being his successor after his death. Watanabe was Ubu.

Actually... I don't, but Watanabe does not need to have been Ra's in order for Ra's to have been someone other than Neeson at an earlier time. It is perfectly logical within the context of the film for Watanabe to have been an imposter, Neeson the ‘real’ Ra’s, and for there to have been other titular Heads-of-the-Demon that existed in the past.

Now I’ll give Nolan credit for finding a solution to an aspect of the Ra’s character that did not fit with the filmmaker’s ‘real world’ vision, but don't tell me you believe that crap about Nolan actually putting a Lazarus Pit in the film, even if only off-screen.

 

[BatScot]

Touché....

 

[JokerNick]

huh, Im confused......... was Ken W. actually Ra's??? or was it Liam the whole time?

 

[Eros]

whats the big deal, Batman mentions superman in Batman Forever and more infamosuly in Batman and Robin "This is why superman works alone".

 

[Batx69]

Joker tell me your being sarcastic. I myself would like a mention of an A. Scott as the head of the Gotham Broadcasting Servis

 

[JokerNick]

Joker tell me your being sarcastic. I myself would like a mention of an A. Scott as the head of the Gotham Broadcasting Servis

sarcastic about what?

 

[BatScot]

huh, Im confused......... was Ken W. actually Ra's??? or was it Liam the whole time?

Ken was Ubu who assumed the Ra’s identity as a diversionary tactic on behalf of the ‘real’ Ra’s played by Liam, but one cannot conclude from the evidence given in the film that Liam’s character was the only Ra's that ever was.

 

[JokerNick]

Ken was Ubu who assumed the Ra’s identity as a diversionary tactic on behalf of the ‘real’ Ra’s played by Liam, but one cannot conclude from the evidence given in the film that Liam’s character was the only Ra's that ever was.

okay, I wasn't entirely sure........ that's what I thought......

 

[Darknightnomis]

I hope so becasue I get a kick out of it and there's that hope in the back of my mind that one day Batman and Superman (or other DC hereos) will one day by together in a movie.

Although it would be nice to mention another DC city than Metropolis, like Star City.

 

[Katsuro]

Now I’ll give Nolan credit for finding a solution to an aspect of the Ra’s character that did not fit with the filmmaker’s ‘real world’ vision, but don't tell me you believe that crap about Nolan actually putting a Lazarus Pit in the film, even if only off-screen.

that's the beauty of the way Nolan handled Ra's al Ghul. His immortality is never confirmed or denied. There could be Lazarus Pits, there could not be. He could be the first and only Ra's al Ghul, or it could be a title that was passed down to him. He was able to make the character realistic enough for general audiences, while not neccissarily changing anything to upset fanboys.

 

[lujho]

When I heard that, I must admit I thought it was cool (and I actually wondered about a Batman/Superman film)... I have no problem with Batman in a Superman universe, but I don't want Superman anywhere near Nolan's world.

Couldn't you accept that Nolan's universe doesn't have Singer's Metropolis (or Superman) in it but Singer's universe has Nolan's Gotham (and Batman) in it?

I.E, as long as they kept any mention of Superman out of Batman's own solo films, Batman could still have a role in Superman/JLA/crossover films.

 

[Two-Face]

I like to see when Bruce goes at night as Batman and Alfred warns him "Master Bruce, you're not like that Superman fellow" something like that.

We don't have have reference to Man Of Steel but I like if it did tho.

 

[Obsequens]

Its fanboyism. Raimi didnt reference Singer, or Singer Lee, or Lee whoever did Daredevil.

 

[Octoberist]

When I heard that, I must admit I thought it was cool (and I actually wondered about a Batman/Superman film)... I have no problem with Batman in a Superman universe, but I don't want Superman anywhere near Nolan's world.

I see what you're saying, but I'm leaning towards Retroman.

I think Nolan will not limit himself within 'the real world' since Batman Begins, though a bit grouded from Burton's take, is still a fantasy enviorment. A man in a batsuit fighting a supposely immortal leader of an ancient ninja cult and a potato sack wearing fear-spraying doctor is not 'real'.

Like what Retro said, Nolan made a wise decision to make Ra's and his backstory very ambiguous. Very vague. And it's cool because it leaves it open ended for us fans to debate on

So I think you and Retro are both have good points, but I still believe that Superman can 'exist' in Nolan's world.

 

[The Batman]

Its fanboyism. Raimi didnt reference Singer, or Singer Lee, or Lee whoever did Daredevil.

uh...thats because they couldnt

 

[StorminNorman]

Its fanboyism. Raimi didnt reference Singer, or Singer Lee, or Lee whoever did Daredevil.

Thats because Marvels films were made by different studios.

Daredevil, Fantastic Four, Elektra, X-Men -> Fox
Spider-man -> Sony
Hulk -> Universal