The Dark Knight Nolan=Miller

[Comic Book Boy]

Ok so Ive been on a reading rampage of the Frank Miller Batman novels and I have begun to patch things together. Does anyone else suppose that Nolans script inspiration comes from Miller? Look at year one with the ending rooftop scenes, Gordon and a dirty Flass let alone entire dept. and so on. So maybe TDKR is...TDK....it has the same element minus Robin and it being the end of Batman and not the beginning. The Joker, Harvey Dent, an entire dept after Batman and the national guard. And I was reading and this is what made me develop this theory...Bruce Wayne says : I Believe In Harvey Dent. I might just be crazy or unexperienced and this thread will probably get the "this doesnt deserve its own thread" rundown...but I had to write this down lol Please discuss

You are very right in the fact that Nolan has used Miller's Batman: YEAR ONE as an influence. Many ideas are straight from that book (calling the bats to him with a shoe device, the Flass character).
For THE DARK KNIGHT the word is that Nolan is taking inspiration from Jeph Loeb's, THE LONG HALLOWEEN and Bob Kane's, BATMAN #1 (which was recently modernized in THE MAN WHO LAUGHS and a BATMAN THE ANIMATED SERIES episode is also based on that story).

 

[Catman]

How was Burton more faithful to Miller than Nolan. I understand that BOTH of them have stated that they drew influence from Miller's work. But Nolan's BEGINS clearly has a more direct link to Miller's work than Burton had.

Read The Dark Knight Returns then watch Burton's movies. Nolan borrowed ideas from Year One but his Batman is more like Jeph Loeb's Batman.

 

[The Sage]

Its probably save to say that Nolan has read more comic books than any director in Hollywood who has directed a comic book movie...except maybe Brad Bird.

And maybe M. Night.

 

[Comic Book Boy]

Read The Dark Knight Returns then watch Burton's movies. Nolan borrowed ideas from Year One but his Batman is more like Jeph Loeb's Batman.

I have read THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS countless times and have seen Burton's films countless times. They are very different. None of the characters are the same in each.

I get that THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS inspired Burton and it got Warner Bros. to get the picture made, but it was not as big an influence as YEAR ONE had on BEGINS.

I don't see how this can even be contested.

 

[Catman]

Frank Miller's Batman is not Nolan's Batman. Can you picture Christian Bale turning into old fart alcoholic?

 

[Crook]

No, but I can picture him being a prick, and a crazed lunatic with no qualms of breaking bones.

 

[Catman]

No, but I can picture him being a prick, and a crazed lunatic with no qualms of breaking bones.

Compared to Michael Keaton who killed 30+ people?

 

[Crook]

Yeah, but Keaton was a silent killer. Bale is the talkative and scary type (Flass interrogation).

Let's not forget he blew up Ra's domain.

 

[Catman]

THIS is Frank Miller's Batman. Go back and read the first few pages of DKR and you'll see what I mean

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[Crook]

Not in the mood to stand up. Would you mind finding the book, scanning it, upload to a server, and pasting it here?

kthxluvya :heart:

 

[The Sage]

I think Frank Miller's Batman is what Bale's Batman could become after a lifetime of waging the war on crime.

 

[Catman]

I think Frank Miller's Batman is what Bale's Batman could become after a lifetime of waging the war on crime.

It's possible but I doubt it. Miller's Bruce Wayne/Batman was a depressed, angry, and lonely person. Bale is always gonna have a Rachel to guide him. Miller and Michael Keaton only had Alfred and they never listened to him.

 

[Juanigi]

this whole thread gives me a headache

 

[Anjow1060]

ahh... the comming of the high horse

Yes well.........people know me....

 

[The Sage]

It's possible but I doubt it. Miller's Bruce Wayne/Batman was a depressed, angry, and lonely person. Bale is always gonna have a Rachel to guide him. Miller and Michael Keaton only had Alfred and they never listened to him.

If Rachel doesn't die in TDK, I see her dying somewhere in the Nolanverse. So Bale's Bruce will have just Alfred.

It'd be interesting if in the Nolanverse, Rachel's death is what drives Bale's Batman to retire, sorta how Jason Todd's death caused Bruce to retire in TDK.

 

[Crook]

But that would make her even more important than she already (un-neededly) is. That idea is repulsive.

 

[Catman]

For some reason I doubt Rachel will die.

 

[The Sage]

But that would make her even more important than she already (un-neededly) is. That idea is repulsive.

Meh, your sig is repulsive.

For some reason I doubt Rachel will die.

Probably not, but she's the most dispensable character.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

There really doesn't seem to be any more inspiration from Miller than anyone else. Of course there's going to be quite a bit taken from Year One, it is the essential first Batman story, which Begins is. You've got Bruce playing drunk, the rooftop Joker mention, the Bat-call to escape SWAT, tying up Falcone, etc.

And visually, sure. The look of Gotham is very similar to Mazzuchelli's work in Year One. The gritty streets, the rain. Hell, the first image of the book is the train, which features heavily in Begins. And the Batmobile has some definite influence from the DKR Bat-Tank.

But there's just as much from everyone else. Obviously, you've got O'Neil's Ra's stories, all that good stuff, the very wide, globetrotting feel of the first act. Bats is a little less psychotic, a little more well-rounded, similar to O'Neil's as well. There's a ton of Loeb; the upside-down Flass interrogation scene, Scarecrow on horseback.

 

[hatesworking]

the tumbler looks like its a Miller Batmobile - i agree on that

 

[Catman]

Of course there's going to be quite a bit taken from Year One, it is the essential first Batman story, which Begins is. You've got Bruce playing drunk, the rooftop Joker mention, the Bat-call to escape SWAT, tying up Falcone, etc.

And visually, sure. The look of Gotham is very similar to Mazzuchelli's work in Year One. The gritty streets, the rain. Hell, the first image of the book is the train, which features heavily in Begins. And the Batmobile has some definite influence from the DKR Bat-Tank.

There's stuff from Year One in Begins. No question about it. I'm just saying that Michael Keaton is closer to Miller's Bruce Wayne/Batman than Bale. Atleast the Wayne/Batman we saw in DKR. Also, when watching Burton's Batman you can't forget that it's also Kane/Finger inspired. Just like how Nolan borrows from other people as well...most notably Jeph Loeb.

 

[The Sage]

There's stuff from Year One in Begins. No question about it. I'm just saying that Michael Keaton is closer to Miller's Bruce Wayne/Batman than Bale. Atleast the Wayne/Batman we saw in DKR. Also, when watching Burton's Batman you can't forget that it's also Kane/Finger inspired. Just like how Nolan borrows from other people as well...most notably Jeph Loeb.

I'll agree to that. I do think that Bale's Batman could become Miller's down the road if certain developments happen.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

There's stuff from Year One in Begins. No question about it. I'm just saying that Michael Keaton is closer to Miller's Bruce Wayne/Batman than Bale. Atleast the Wayne/Batman we saw in DKR. Also, when watching Burton's Batman you can't forget that it's also Kane/Finger inspired. Just like how Nolan borrows from other people as well...most notably Jeph Loeb.

I agree with you; my post had nothing to do with Keaton v Bale (in their similarities to Miller's Bats).

Though I do think some people overestimate Miller's level of influence on Burton. Burton was clearly mostly inspired by Kane/Finger. I think Miller can be credited mostly with inspiring Burton tonally, to going with a darker approach.

 

[Catman]

I do think some people overestimate Miller's level of influence on Burton. Burton was clearly mostly inspired by Kane/Finger. I think Miller can be credited mostly with inspiring Burton tonally, to going with a darker approach.

You can say its both Kane/Finger and Miller. The first act on B89 is mostly Kane/Finger. The second act is a little of both. And, the third act is mostly Frank Miller (blowing up Axis Chemicals, batwing attack, final showdown).

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

You can say its both Kane/Finger and Miller. The first act on B89 is mostly Kane/Finger. The second act is a little of both. And, the third act is mostly Frank Miller (blowing up Axis Chemicals, batwing attack, final showdown).

What about the final showdown screams Miller to you?