The Dark Knight The Dark Knight on paper looked like a disaster...

[luke1234]

okay when you think about it if you read this script or the plot summary wouldnt you think this movie would be sooo overstuffed with subplots and conflicts it would seem wayyy to jam and suffer from the Spider-man 3 problem of having way too much in one movie.

Lets think about what happened

Batman takes down scarecrow
Joker makes his appearence to the mob
Batman goes to hong kong, batman come back from hong kong
Joker takes the mob and eventually takes the city
Harvey Dent, Rachel, Bruce Love triangle
Jokers Killings
Batman calls it quits
Harvey Becomes Two Face
Batman makes Sonar thing
Two Face becomes Bad

...SO much stuff happened in this film!

Now if you knew that Spider-man 4 or any other epic movie had this much going on in one movie, wouldnt you be concerned? How the hell did they pull this off lol. I guess the real question is if you knew the script and plot before the film would you think it would have been a disaster with all the stuff going on?

 

[ThePoisonPuppet]

It was Hong Kong not Tokyo sir. And while it was an excellent film, I do think it was a little overstuffed. I would have preferred more Two-Face or leaving it with Joker handing him the gun and Two-Face being dealt with in the next movie. I'm not one of the people who say it was without flaws, but I still give it a 9.5/10

I would have preferred a bit more Alfred too, though I think he had his best moments in Begins already.

 

[SonikDeath]

Alot of that stuff ties in with each other, so its not really too much.

 

[Lazlo Panaflex]

It's true that there was a lot going on in the movie but every character had their moment to shine, Alfred and Lucius more so than in Batman Begins and everything gelled nicely with the Joker's appearance spread out in a way that he doesn't overshadow the star of the picture.

Spider-Man 3 is just garbage in that Sandman disappeared in the 2/3 of the picture only to reappear conveniently at the end for the big showdown with Spidey.

 

[luke1234]

It's true that there was a lot going on in the movie but every character had their moment to shine, Alfred and Lucius more so than in Batman Begins and everything gelled nicely with the Joker's appearance spread out in a way that he doesn't overshadow the star of the picture.

Spider-Man 3 is just garbage in that Sandman disappeared in the 2/3 of the picture only to reappear conveniently at the end for the big showdown with Spidey.

hahha i guess your right to say they gave the right amount of screentime for each character, i see this as an outstanding editing and directing achievement.

 

[Ziggyman]

Nolan made it all work in the end!

 

[CashforStash]

Nolan is a wizard thats why.

 

[SuperZer0]

Remember that back in 2005, after BB came out, their original intention was to introduce Dent's character in TDK and that he would only become Two-Face in the 3rd installment. But, they decided instead to include Two-Face in this movie, and kill him off.

Imagine what would have been if they sticked with the original plan. It probably would have been less stuffed and the Joker probably would have more screen time.

 

[CrimsonDeath]

Wasn't there a post with a link to some Brazilian site, months ago, that claimed to have the plot for the movie and gave it to us in a two page summary?

Most people did not believe it because it didn't sound that good or possible. Then here we are, eating crow. Anyone still have that link, I can't find it.

 

[luke1234]

Remember that back in 2005, after BB came out, their original intention was to introduce Dent's character in TDK and that he would only become Two-Face in the 3rd installment. But, they decided instead to include Two-Face in this movie, and kill him off.

Imagine what would have been if they sticked with the original plan. It probably would have been less stuffed and the Joker probably would have more screen time.

i definitly liked the story theyve chosen better then that though, you didnt want to overuse the joker in this film

 

[Shane Diesel]

There was a lot going on. But Nolan seems to have making plot points interconnect, steady streams of action, and pacing the film perfectly down to a science.

For me DK has ruined my viewing experience regarding other films. Its like having mind blowing sex with Marissa Miller and then going back to sexing up "average" chicks. I saw tropic thunder. Funny but very mediocre compared to DK.

 

[Anjow1060]

uh...more like this:

1) Batman - Dent - Gordon take on the Mob doing whatever it takes to save their city
2) Joker - wants anarchy and finds fun working for the Mob going after Batman and turns on them so he can do whatever he wants with Batman
3) Joker finds out he can't corrupt Batman (hit me!) so he goes after Dent instead. Dent is turned against his team.

It's really not that that complicated. The film makers just took a simple idea and kept it interesting. By doing that they had to shake it up often. It's not rocket science, just good ideas kept fresh and, like Batman himself, 20 bajillion steps ahead of everyone else.

- Jow

 

[The Stranger]

Well it's different on paper then on film. The film turned out suberb, so no doubts.

 

[jdlynch1]

Batman goes to hong kong, batman come back from hong kong

It was Hong Kong not Tokyo sir.

Huh?

 

[tuffenoughtoroc]

I find it amusing how, when you read the Joker's lines on paper, it just doesn't have the same effect as when Heath Ledger says them.

 

[Doc Samson]

I felt Batman Begins had a whole lot to it as well, Nolan's showed he is quite adept at stringing multiple plot lines together long before he covered Batman, I never thought it was gonna be a problem. Sam Raimi on the other hand never cared for Venom as a character in the first place, so I wasn't too surprised to see him get shortchanged a bit. If it was up to Raimi himself, I'm sure Venom wouldn't have showed up at all

 

[redfirebird2008]

Eckhart and Ledger would not have even bothered with this movie if they didn't think the script was great. The fact is, when an actor reads the script, they have an idea of how they would say the lines. Both of the Nolans mentioned that the script was not finished when Heath was cast but that Heath and Chris had pretty much identical ideas on how the Joker should be portrayed, so Heath really helped them mold the lines, etc. into the final product. And no doubt when he read the script, he had his idea of the Joker in his head and that's why he knew it would be great.

 

[TanneRain]

Did you guys know the scene with the Joker clapping for Gordon was improvised? Genius on Heath's part.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Did you guys know the scene with the Joker clapping for Gordon was improvised? Genius on Heath's part.

Yeah, the guy who played the mayor said that in an interview around the time the movie was released I think. I wonder just how much of it was improvised. I mean they were not even done writing the script when he was cast, so you have to think that even some of the stuff in the script itself was heavily influenced by Heath. RDJ helped improvise and improve bad lines from the script in Iron Man on the set.

 

[Angelus_Darko]

There was a lot going on. But Nolan seems to have making plot points interconnect, steady streams of action, and pacing the film perfectly down to a science.

For me DK has ruined my viewing experience regarding other films. Its like having mind blowing sex with Marissa Miller and then going back to sexing up "average" chicks. I saw tropic thunder. Funny but very mediocre compared to DK.

That's exactly what's happening to me!!! It's not the same anymore.

 

[Wolfwood]

Huh?

Devils in the details buddy.

Last edited by luke1234 : Yesterday at 10:33 PM.

Edited after correction.

 

[luke1234]

Thanks for your input guys, i now see that in every nolan movie a lot of stuff happens its all just intertwined and it does flow very niceley

 

[DorkyFresh]

good observation, luke. i think it had a lot to do with leaving out the unnecessary parts and reinforcing the important parts. SM3 had several scenes i could have done without and they didn't reinforce the villains while TDK pretty much is the opposite. i couldn't think of one scene in the movie i would take out because they're all pretty much important and the villains were thoroughly explained.

as for the love triangle, Spider-Man 3's love triangle was actually a love WEB. Peter, MJ, Harry, Gwen, Eddie...Peter was involved with 2 love triangles. these love triangles also felt forced, but the love triangle in TDK felt natural as if these people had lead their lives day to day and just sort of fell into that situation.

i also think a lot of it has to do with pacing. SM3 had a pretty good beginning but it starting getting slow to me after the halfway point while TDK gave me enough time to digest what i was watching without starving me.

 

[jdlynch1]

Devils in the details buddy.



Edited after correction.

lol oops didn't notice that, thanks for pointing it out t: