The Dark Knight Why Nolan Got Two Face Right...

Id have to see a picture of how two face looks first.

 

So far I agree with most of this.

 

Wait, but wasn't Harvey messed up before his little acid trip? I mean, he seemed to spend a lot of time in the cellar, flipping a coin in the dark. I thought that the implication in The Long Halloween was that he was wrong beforehand. Doesn't take away from the nobility of his actions but it does make them slightly more understandable. Well, apart from the Solomon Grundy bit, for the life of me I'll never fathom why he was included in such an otherwise superb comic book.

 

From what I got from that scene in the THL was that he may have not have a great childhood with his Dad. So he wanted to rise above that and try and do good in the world.

Beyond that, I don't think it was trying to show he was evil or anything like that.

 

I like TLH and think that's the way to go, no Big Bad Harv.

 

Well put, Norman. Two Face the initial imagery and statements we've been privy to so far make it seem as it Two Face has made a near-exact leap from the pages of TLH.

Again, I concur.

 

I agree.


Except for the part about Joker.


If what Caine said about him is true.

 

Could someone PM or direct me to where I can find the pics fo the Harv toy?


Norm this is a great analysis. I think, like you, Nolan finds Two-Face a more intriguing and complicated charcter. Hopefully that is what we get.

I don't know if we'll ever get it now, but I want to see as well is the comparison between the Joker and Harv. I always thought they were best summed up at the end of Dark Victory.

Joker: For all his talk, What did Two-Face really want? Getting rid of a bunch of gangsters. Same as Ol'Harv. He never understood Gotham City like you and me, Bat.

 

At some point there was an interview with Caine, and he was talking about the Joker character.

Spoiler

Saying that Joker never takes off his make-up, but applies more and more as it fades away. And it starts to stain his face and such. Becoming permanent.

 

Me too. It wouldn't bother me at all.

 

I love what I've heard about Two Face, but also the Joker. We have a Joker whose appearance seems radically different, yet he appears to be more true to the character than ever, and then we have a Two Face who looks/acts like his comic counterpart and will actually serve a purpose, unlike in Batman Forever.

Kudos to Nolan from me.

 

Fact is: Harvey Dent (in the comics) is a very underdeveloped character. There isn't a lot of material about him when he was a D.A.

And they often forget that Two Face is not an entirely evil character. He has in fact a good side. For example, in the early comics he gave the money he robbed to charity and so on.

Let's the what the Dark Knight brings.

 

Well said Norm, I agree. I believe Nolan has totally nailed the character of Two Face. The Joker is awesome, and we know he's going to be great. But it's Harv who can take the film to the very next level. I placed it in my sig in May of '07 and it shall remain: I Believe in Harvey Dent.

 

It's not that he was evil. It's just that spending time in the dark flipping a coin is unwholsome. Being unwholsome and being evil are two different things.

 

Personally, as long as we get a dark, serious, and tortured version of both Dent and Two-Face, then Nolan has done right. I want him actually doing things, like killing people, instead of JUST flipping his coin. He needs to be more active.

 

If he goes from "good" to "evil", that will just be two shallow a portrayal of the character in this day and age. He needs to have a dark side, an aspect of him that is "two-faced", something he struggles against, that comes out when he becomes Two-Face.

 

I agree with you alot, StorminNorman.

I said in another thread that I think the key to this transition is not just the acid to the face, but (if Nolan does this) Rachel's death.

If all of this is so, Bruce Wayne and Harvey Dent are going to have a lot of things in common. Bruce becomes Batman through his losses. Dent becomes Two-Face through his. But now both have different ideas on how to take on criminals. Two-Face can't deal with letting the justice system of Gotham work them through, instead, making his own law. While Batman is the one trying to balance his rules with Gotham's laws... and not kill anyone in the process.

When Dent becomes Two-Face, he'll probably become vengeful self-assassine, taking down mob bosses left to right. The road Bruce avoided in Batman Begins... but also the road that will come to rehaunt him in The Dark Knight as well.

 

Right, he had "cause" in his eyes.

 

Damn good post Stormin! I fully agree and it has me anticipating not just the film but that new trailer as well that should show more of him.

What really has me curious is how Eckhart as well as Eric Roberts I believe, have said how they won't say 'why' he is doing the killings.

"Well, I mean, in terms of villains and movies, in anyone’s motivation in a movie you’re always trying to improve your lot in life and to exact your own code in life and I think that Harvey Two-Face has a code, and his code is killing people for reasons that…will remain secret."

It just makes me wonder what those reasons are, since we know the character from the comics is about doing his own brand of justice I wonder what else they might have included for the film version.