The Dark Knight Nolan needs more imagination.

[Crooklyn]

Gotta disagree there, considering the comics have grounded Batman over the years anyway.

 

[raybia]

I gotta agree here.

Grounded in realism, is different than confined to it. We'll find out in TDK.

 

[Miranda Fox]

[quote="V";11100037]It's just the old age of story of myth becoming truth. I've seen that Scarecrow mask at least a dozen times, but nobody can provide any evidence to it being said. If it's true, which I personally doubt, then it's good that Nolan has the humility to listen to other people's opinions and accept them if they are correct.[/quote]

Yet his bashers consistently overlook that part...

Seriously, guys, can anyone provide a source for this quote?

 

[The Sage]

Gotta disagree there, considering the comics have grounded Batman over the years anyway.

So why ground him even more?

Grounded in realism, is different than confined to it. We'll find out in TDK.

Let's hope so.

 

[Crooklyn]

So why ground him even more?

Just responding to your agreement that Batman was "utter fantasy". Which...is technically true. Since he's not real. But that's not what he was talking about. I assume.

















Pretty sure.

 

["V"]

How would people define 'grounded in reality'?

In Begins I saw a fear toxin that allowed people to see the World in the way David Lynch does. A man catching another man, with one arm, sliding down the side of a mountain after an explosion. A man flying through the air, standing on the side of builindgs a hundred feet off the ground. A tank flying off roof tops. A man-bat. And i've not seen it a while : o

It's not like we saw Batman doing his washing, or going to the shops is it?

 

[raybia]

So why ground him even more?



Let's hope so.

I would like to see the sequels more exaggerated than BB to more reflect the comic world of Batman.

Maybe to the level of how the Indiana Jones films are.

 

[The Sage]

[QUOTE="V";11100150]
It's not like we saw Batman doing his washing, or going to the shops is it?[/QUOTE]

Well you know there are some deleted scenes that...

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[strider]

It makes me sad that a lot of people here want to see a fantasy comic batman movie than just a good semi-serious movie. Why cant a comic book movie be a good movie with a sense of realism to it?

 

["V"]

Well you know there are some deleted scenes that...

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Alfred washing the Tumbler after Bruce took it out : o

 

[raybia]

It makes me sad that a lot of people here want to see a fantasy comic batman movie than just a good semi-serious movie. Why cant a comic book movie be a good movie with a sense of realism to it?[/QUOTE]


Batman Begins


Again, I hope the realism in TDK, will be heighten. Movies that come to mind are the Indy movies, T1 & T2, Aliens. Movies that are on steroids.

Thats whats this movie should be.

So when Batman does some incredible acrobatic move, instead of the audience saying, "Right, that unrealistic." Our minds should, knowing the training he had in BB, just automatically accept it.

 

[The Sage]

It makes me sad that a lot of people here want to see a fantasy comic batman movie than just a good semi-serious movie. Why cant a comic book movie be a good movie with a sense of realism to it?

I prefer a semi-serious, fantasy comic Batman movie with a sense of realism, like the examples Raybia gives.

 

[Crooklyn]

Why semi-serious?

 

[raybia]

I prefer a semi-serious, fantasy comic Batman movie with a sense of realism, like the examples Raybia gives.

In fact, the most realistic fantasy movie I've ever seen was Pan's Labyrinth.

 

[The Sage]

In fact, the most realistic fantasy movie I've ever seen was Pan's Labyrinth.

That's a really good example. I liked that movie.

 

[Eros]

I prefer a semi-serious, fantasy comic Batman movie with a sense of realism, like the examples Raybia gives.

Thats what Batman begins was, except it didn't contain the dumb crap from some of the comics. I only wish Nolan would improve the way he shoots the fight scenes.

 

[raybia]

That's a really good example. I liked that movie.

If Nolan can keep the tone serious, without any tongue-in-cheek moments or winking at the audience, then more fantasy elements can be introduced without him feeling the need to rational every move.

We, the audience, are more than willing to suspense our disbelief if he is willing to treat the characters and the story with the upmost respect by remaining true to the mythology in which they are rooted in.

 

[raybia]

I only wish Nolan would improve the way he shoots the fight scenes.

Bourne Identity type fighting please.

 

[strider]

Just reading the reviews for Pan's, makes me feel like why cant we here at SHH want good serious reviews like Pan's? Why must we always want fanasty Batman. And yes I know Pan's in super fanasty and not realistic per say but it was taking seriously by critics and film awards and its probably going to get some serious awards. These next Bat films have the potential to be taken as serious film making be it comic book or not.

 

[raybia]

Just reading the reviews for Pan's, makes me feel like why cant we here at SHH want good serious reviews like Pan's? Why must we always want fanasty Batman. And yes I know Pan's in super fanasty and not realistic per say but it was taking seriously by critics and film awards and its probably going to get some serious awards. These next Bat films have the potential to be taken as serious film making be it comic book or not.

Batman Begins recieved many acclaimed reviews and was treated as a serious film. The second half became more formulatic but I think Nolan was confined by the fact it was an origin film.

TDK represents an opportunity for Nolan to create a movie on par with Pan's.

 

[StorminNorman]

 

[Miranda Fox]

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[Agentsands77]

Nolan's movie lack iconic imagery and atmosphere. Imagination does not equal nipples on the Batman costume. It equals memorable action scene choreography(The Bourne Identity), ambitious cinematography(Children of Men), classic screenplay and dialogue(Robocop, Fight Club), epic storytelling(Mask of the Phantasm) and inspired adaptation of the source material(V for Vendetta, MOTP).

There was nothing particularly inspired about the adaptation of V FOR VENDETTA. It turned a rather brilliant piece of dystopian fiction into a heavy-handed popcorn film.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

We are talking about Batman "a guy that dresses as a giant bat" Begins, right?
So, where is the realism there?
There is no realism in comic book movies, case close.
To have a guy jumping from rooftop to rootop or a guy flying around is not realistic.
At least in this world....

The way to make comic books is not to bring Batman (in this case) to the real world (realism), but to bring the real world into Batman´s universe (illusion of realism).
Which means, it all comes down as how serious the movie, how much you believe that world to be true.
To make people and the world react to unrealistic situations the way they would react if that situation was possible.
For example, if you have a space invasion, make people react the same way they do on War of the Worlds, in a realistic fashion as that situation could happen.
If you have a monster, have people react if they had seen monster.
Believe in what you do, and people will believe too.

Of course, that is not to say that all that happens in a comic book, work as a movie, but that is no excuse to make silly changes or make a action/popcorn movie.
If you take a comic book and make it into a movie, without any change, it is less an action movie with dramatic moments, but a drama with action.

 

[Octoberist]

It makes me sad that a lot of people here want to see a fantasy comic batman movie than just a good semi-serious movie. Why cant a comic book movie be a good movie with a sense of realism to it?[/QUOTE]


Batman Begins


Again, I hope the realism in TDK, will be heighten. Movies that come to mind are the Indy movies, T1 & T2, Aliens. Movies that are on steroids.

Thats whats this movie should be.

So when Batman does some incredible acrobatic move, instead of the audience saying, "Right, that unrealistic." Our minds should, knowing the training he had in BB, just automatically accept it.

I think people over-exgerate the 'realism' in Batman Begins. LIke what you said, Indy and Terminator give a surrealistic tone that draws you in.

And honestly, it was a Catch 22 with Nolan: If he went Gothic, you'll hear people going "OMG, he's copying Burton..why not bring back Burton." He goes semi-realistic with heighten sense of fantasy, people go "OMG, it's too realistic. It takes away from the fantasy."

And I honestly think that Batman Begins' semi-realism is not like the X-Men movies, where it goes into realism rather deeply. Too deeply sometimes (still, i liked X2 though..)

No matter what, people will complain. That's how it is. But for a cheap shot, most likely, it's the middle-aged people still living with their parents (or alone) who are complaing.