The Dark Knight Nolan needs more imagination.

[StorminNorman]

Yeah...from all the server overload. I hate when it takes 10 minutes to view a page.

I just hope SHH isn't the chosen venue for WB to release the Joker pic. I remember when it happen with the first Spidey Teaser Pic - the place was almost unnavigable.

 

[GoldGoblin]

It would of been nice if Scarecrow did wear his mask longer.Directors should realize that if they make a comic book into a movie,then there are gonna be some characters in it that are suppose to wear masks.

 

[Mr. Socko]

On wiki, it says Nolan was orginally against him having a mask at all.

 

[Thorny Robin]

The mask was great because it looked freaky as hell while also having logical purposes other than 'look at me I'm a comic book guy'.

Gold Goblin you say he should've have worn it longer because, as I understand it, he's a character in a comic book movie. Do you mean there should've have been more scenes where he actually needed the mask (gassing people) or that he should have worn it e.g during casual conversations with Falconio or while he was supervising the chemical room?

He had no reason to wear it in those scenes. That's what's great about BB, it treats villains like rational people and not gimmicky cartoon characters.

 

[Eros]

The mask was great because it looked freaky as hell while also having logical purposes other than 'look at me I'm a comic book guy'.

Gold Goblin you say he should've have worn it longer because, as I understand it, he's a character in a comic book movie. Do you mean there should've have been more scenes where he actually needed the mask (gassing people) or that he should have worn it e.g during casual conversations with Falconio or while he was supervising the chemical room?

He had no reason to wear it in those scenes. That's what's great about BB, it treats villains like rational people and not gimmicky cartoon characters.

I agree, and welcome to the hype

 

[Catman]

The day the first pic of The Joker drops this place willl implodet:

You just had to remind me.

Yeah...from all the server overload. I hate when it takes 10 minutes to view a page.

I just hope SHH isn't the chosen venue for WB to release the Joker pic. I remember when it happen with the first Spidey Teaser Pic - the place was almost unnavigable.

I've been a member since the first Spider-Man movie and there has so many moments where this site has gotten packed with people and its just impossible to open a page. I think thats why Mirko keeps ComingSoon around. When the Hype server is broken just head over to CS!

 

[Miranda Fox]

On wiki, it says Nolan was orginally against him having a mask at all.

Wiki is user submitted - it's not really reliable.

Direct source of this quote or I'm just gonna chalk it up as fan-spouted bull****. I've spent ages trying to chase down quotes that turned out to be BS and I'm more than a little sick of it (not directed at you, Socko )

I'm sure I read it was supposed to have been said by Goyer, if that helps.

 

[thegameq]

Don't confuse opinions with facts. To my knowledge, Batman Begins is still a well liked with fans and non-fans. If you're talking about..let's say "Catwoman", "Batman & Robin" or "League of Extraordinary Gentlemen", then your statement might fly.

There's people who didn't like the movie, but outright hate it. But please, don't spread something that isn't there. Think about it.

I didn't say anyone hated it...?

Nolan's BB is a very good, well made movie, just not an outright comicbook movie as many were hoping for apparently--mind you, me saying many is not intended as a blanket statement to mean everyone. A great deal of BB appeal IMO has more to do with the fact that he made (more or less) a "sensible" film, rather than a comicbook movie ala SM or SM:TM. Of course the nods toward the comics help.

I remember when BB came out I was really interested to hear what a couple of long time friends and huge Bat-fans thought about the film. One thing was synonymous: BB was a very good movie, just not what they waited years for. As one friend put it: "After waiting all those years for WB to remake Batman, they gave us a guy in a rubber suit again." Naturally and not unreasonably, many were hoping the latest iteration of Batman would follow the popular comics and TAS.

In a nutshell, I think that's all there really is to it. Fans wanted a comicbook movie. After waiting all those years for a remake and seeing how Raimi was able to successfully bring a comicbook to life and yet still enjoy critical acclaim and financial success, Bat-fans were hoping for the same.

I also find interesting what someone else posted, perhaps you?

Batman is best represented in live-action as realistic. That's an interesting point because the "non-superpowered" nature of Batman almost forces you in the direction of realism. In fact the only way to do a comicbook movie Batman would be lean heavily on stylization to suspend or remove the realistic, which is really no surprise. The problem occurs when the stylization goes overboard an seeps into the campy.

Sigh...

I await the day when a noir-ish Batman movie ala TAS or Killing Game comes to theatres.

 

[rogue trooper]

I didn't say anyone hated it...?

Nolan's BB is a very good, well made movie, just not an outright comicbook movie as many were hoping for apparently--mind you, me saying many is not intended as a blanket statement to mean everyone. A great deal of BB appeal IMO has more to do with the fact that he made (more or less) a "sensible" film, rather than a comicbook movie ala SM or SM:TM. Of course the nods toward the comics help.

I remember when BB came out I was really interested to hear what a couple of long time friends and huge Bat-fans thought about the film. One thing was synonymous: BB was a very good movie, just not what they waited years for. As one friend put it: "After waiting all those years for WB to remake Batman, they gave us a guy in a rubber suit again." Naturally and not unreasonably, many were hoping the latest iteration of Batman would follow the popular comics and TAS.

In a nutshell, I think that's all there really is to it. Fans wanted a comicbook movie. After waiting all those years for a remake and seeing how Raimi was able to successfully bring a comicbook to life and yet still enjoy critical acclaim and financial success, Bat-fans were hoping for the same.

I also find interesting what someone else posted, perhaps you?

Batman is best represented in live-action as realistic. That's an interesting point because the "non-superpowered" nature of Batman almost forces you in the direction of realism. In fact the only way to do a comicbook movie Batman would be lean heavily on stylization to suspend or remove the realistic, which is really no surprise. The problem occurs when the stylization goes overboard an seeps into the campy.

Sigh...

I await the day when a noir-ish Batman movie ala TAS or Killing Game comes to theatres.

I like the Spider-Man movies, but I think they're overrated. Batman Begins to me is the best superhero movie so far!! A more solid film.

 

[Cinemaman]

Spidey boards are full of spam and posts, which don't make any sense to be posted so that's why I moved to TDK board

 

[Mr. Socko]

I liked B&R way more than Catwoman and LoEG. Atleast B&R kept my attention, had lots of mindless action and hilarious lines by arnold.

I laugh out of my seat at Arnold's "j00 not sendin me to da coolah" line.

 

[thegameq]

I like the Spider-Man movies, but I think they're overrated. Batman Begins to me is the best superhero movie so far!! A more solid film.

What's overrated about them?

 

[rogue trooper]

What's overrated about them?

Compared to BB, some of the dialogue and one-liners of Spidey's films are rather corny. BB had a less predictable story than SM2. MY OPINION!!

 

[TheFuture]

I personally loved his version of the scarecrow......

And you also need to remember that these chracters are all just starting out.

Think of scarecrow in Batman begins as "scarecrow begins"

In the script, johnathon crane is a still a working member of society. He runs a whole asylum for pete's sake and he has to appear in court.

He uses the mask only when he has to. At the end of the movie when all goes to shyt and he goes bat-shyt crazy, only then are we treated to scarecrow in his glory(although all to brief but still....)

I think that the scarecrow you know and love will be more of himself in the sequel IF they bring him back mind you....

Also you need to remember that these are actors, good actors that need to ACT under these costumes and if you cover there faces all the time, things get lost (hence no lenses on Bale---you need him to pierce people with his eyes)

There is a great scene in arkham when cillian is darting his eyes and body around(the scene, "its the Bat-man") where is he had if mask on, it wouldn't have worked....

Ok im done

Spot on. I think that Nolan showed great imagination in the first film and was really innovative. What about the whole thing with Ra's and his body double? That was a ballsy thing to do and it paid off. And the end with half of Arkham Asylum still not found? Leaves endless possibilities.

And as Mecha said, now that Crane has no reason to keep face in society you will probably get what you want if he's in the next film.

 

[Catman]

I liked B&R way more than Catwoman and LoEG. Atleast B&R kept my attention, had lots of mindless action and hilarious lines by arnold.

I laugh out of my seat at Arnold's "j00 not sendin me to da coolah" line.

You make a good point, but remember that B&R's crimes were MUCH bigger. Catwoman and LoEG were just crappy movie. B&R made our souls cry. It broke our hearts.

 

[Agentsands77]

A great deal of BB appeal IMO has more to do with the fact that he made (more or less) a "sensible" film, rather than a comicbook movie ala SM or SM:TM. Of course the nods toward the comics help.

And thank god for that. The "comicbook movie" feel is terrible, and has been holding back the genre from greatness. Finally BATMAN BEGINS came along and gave us a film that gave us the "cinematic equivalent" of a comic book (Nolan's words).

I love Nolan's approach:

"Because we're doing a Batman film, something new, fresh and different, they were looking for a re-invention. No one's done one of these movies in years—the closest to it, for me, is probably the 1978 Superman, Donner's film, which had locations and shooting in New York. It had this great cast, and it treated its subject with a real degree of respect, not selling it short as just a comic book movie. To me, that's what comic books are—it sparks your imagination with words, pictures, colors, light and shape. Just as when you adapt a novel, you do not consider the superficial form of the novel, you push to imagine the cinematic equivalent. Why should comic books be any different?

[...]

Raiders of the Lost Ark, The Spy Who Loved Me, the first Star Warshttp://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=raidersofthelostark.htmhttp://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=spywholovedme.htmhttp://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=starwars4.htm. These are the films when I was seven years old that came about, and they created entire worlds that you believed in, and they had a very tactile, realistic, concrete sense of place and texture and, though they were all dealing with fantastic, outrageous material, they were all extreme exaggerations with idealistic heroes, but they had a recognizable taste and smell—we believe in the reality of what we see for two hours. We're never let off the hook, we're on that rollercoaster and we're not looking at a cartoon. I would get asked all the time about Batman as a comic book and I would say, well, it's not a comic book, it's just a movie, the way that Star Wars wasn't just science fiction and Raiders of the Lost Ark wasn't just a cartoon serial."

In a nutshell, I think that's all there really is to it. Fans wanted a comicbook movie.

Some fans wanted that. Others were ecstatic with BEGINS.

 

[Crooklyn]

And thank god for that. The "comicbook movie" feel is terrible, and has been holding back the genre from greatness. Finally BATMAN BEGINS came along and gave us a film that gave us the "cinematic equivalent" of a comic book (Nolan's words).

Eh, I gotta disagree with half of that. The take Nolan took with Batman was great because it fit the character very well. Whereas with Spider-Man, honestly I don't think any other vision would've worked as good as Raimi's did.

SM fans have said it all along, the films are literally the comic book come to life. The atmosphere and joy you get from watching the films is akin to what you'd feel from reading the classic Spidey stories. Considering both Spider-Man and Batman are polar opposites, it makes sense the visual style for both follow that trend.

 

[Agentsands77]

Eh, I gotta disagree with half of that. The take Nolan took with Batman was great because it fit the character very well. Whereas with Spider-Man, honestly I don't think any other vision would've worked as good as Raimi's did.

I admit the cinematic equivalent of one superhero will be different from the cinematic equivalent of another. Spidey is an entirely different animal from Batman, and is remarkably outlandish in nature. Still, I don't think they nailed it. I would have wanted to do away with a lot of the hammy, "comicbook"-style performances as well as some of the sillier looking visual cues.

 

[Agentsands77]

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[Crooklyn]

I admit the cinematic equivalent of one superhero will be different from the cinematic equivalent of another. Spidey is an entirely different animal from Batman, and is remarkably outlandish in nature. Still, I don't think they nailed it. I would have wanted to do away with a lot of the hammy, "comicbook"-style performances as well as some of the sillier looking visual cues.

The performances to me, weren't bad, as that's exactly how I'd expected them to act in this specific franchise. Jameson being my absolute favorite, he always steals the spotlight anytime he's on. Imo, this is the type of feel F4 should've had. While SM came off as fun, F4 came off as corny.

As for visual cues, what do you mean?

 

[Cyrusbales]

It's a common fact that BB had some very poor dialogue, Whilst spiderman 1 and 2 weren't the greatest lines ever, they were much better written.

 

[Agentsands77]

The performances to me, weren't bad, as that's exactly how I'd expected them to act in this specific franchise. Jameson being my absolute favorite, he always steals the spotlight anytime he's on. Imo, this is the type of feel F4 should've had. While SM came off as fun, F4 came off as corny.

In general, if I can't buy a character as a plausibly "real" person in terms of personality, I don't like them. Jameson falls into that category. He couldn't be more fake-feeling. He's always been a larger-than-life character, but I felt he could have been handled a little more believably.

As for visual cues, what do you mean?

Power-ranger Green Goblin, goofy-looking scientific machinery... things like that. It all looks entirely fake to me, and that doesn't have to do with it being outlandish. The production design of the Spidey films doesn't do much for me.

It's a common fact that BB had some very poor dialogue, Whilst spiderman 1 and 2 weren't the greatest lines ever, they were much better written.

It's no fact, and personally I find the dialogue in BEGINS to be much better than the dialogue written for the Spidey flicks.

 

[Lobster Charlie]

"A common fact"

People crack me up.

 

[Miranda Fox]

It's no fact, and personally I find the dialogue in BEGINS to be much better than the dialogue written for the Spidey flicks.

Haven't you learnt by now that all of Cyrus' opinions are the TRUEFAX? t:

Still:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/facts
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/opinion

Might want to look those over sometime, C. :P

 

[Cyrusbales]

I do apologize, I meant "I thought it was comonly considered fact on the hype"

Whilst neither film has 'great dialogue', BB is actually quite poor in it's 2nd and third acts in terms of writing. I found myself predicting each following line!

however with jonathon nolan writing TDK, I think we shall se a massive improvement, as I've always considered jonathon the talented one in the family.