The Dark Knight Nolan saying Michael Mann influences TDK...

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...or to be specific, 'Heat'.
For me, this is fantastic news. Not only am i a HUGE Batman fan (especially Nolans version) but Michael Mann is my favourite director.
My top ten favourite movies include all of mann's movies and Batman Begins, so Nolan saying something along the lines of (i cant remember the quote exactly) "Michael Manns 'Heat' helped influnce my vision for TDK, I wanted it to have a crime epic feel" is like music to my ears. Really awesome music.
Like many people on these boards, ive seen the prologue and the influence is quite clear from the go - you can also tell from other clips of the movie (from trailers and TV spots) that Nolan has taken more of realistic, documentary style of camera-work, just like mann. Some examples are :
- The camera following the joker as he flicks open his knife walking toward a car pile-up (trailer 2)
- Pretty much the whole prologue, hand-held camera-work following the jokers goons around as they blow the vault, secure the hostages, etc.
- An AWESOME (but brief) shot of Batman walking towards the camera looking REALLY píssed off in one of the TV spots.

So, its possible that what is possibly the most anticipated movie of my life (and ive been around for 23 years) could be filmed in the exact style of directing i love..........
this is pure joy.



edit - Just found the quote in the Empire thread:

Also, the biggest weakness of comic-book sequels is their tendency to overstuff the story with bad guys - to wit, Spider-Man 3 and the execrable Batman & Robin.

"Yes, but the ambition has to be to make a film that in some way moves on and develops the world you're in," argues Nolan. "Otherwise you're just making a TV show - you're just making episodes of the same thing. When a sequel's done badly, you take pot-shots at it and say, 'Why did they stuff all these extra characters in?' But when it works well, whether it's The Godfather: Part II or The Empire Strikes Back, nobody complains. You have to try and expand it, and you have to try and do it well. In genre terms, if the first film had a very noirish quality to it, the what we've done with this film is taken on the dynamic of a story of the city, a large crime story. The broader canvas demands more characters to fill it. The audience accepts that type of storytelling when you're looking at the police, the justice system, the vigilate, the poor people, the rich people, the criminals. I'M HOPING ITS THE SORT OF FILM THAT MICHAEL MANN ALWAYS DOES VERY WELL, LIKE HEAT..."
 
I've actually never seen Heat. I love Mann's "Collateral" with a fiery passion, though.
 
Heat FTW x2:grin: the style gotham in some shots of TDK actually seems to take alot from Heat.
 
I've actually never seen Heat. I love Mann's "Collateral" with a fiery passion, though.

I'd never seen it either, but when I read that Nolan had been inspired by some aspects of it, I went straight out and bought it. It's a good film :up:

I like Collateral too . . . with a lil passion :cwink:
 
...or to be specific, 'Heat'.
For me, this is fantastic news. Not only am i a HUGE Batman fan (especially Nolans version) but Michael Mann is my favourite director.
My top ten favourite movies include all of mann's movies and Batman Begins, so Nolan saying something along the lines of (i cant remember the quote exactly) "Michael Manns 'Heat' helped influnce my vision for TDK, I wanted it to have a crime epic feel" is like music to my ears. Really awesome music.
Like many people on these boards, ive seen the prologue and the influence is quite clear from the go - you can also tell from other clips of the movie (from trailers and TV spots) that Nolan has taken more of realistic, documentary style of camera-work, just like mann. Some examples are :
- The camera following the joker as he flicks open his knife walking toward a car pile-up (trailer 2)
- Pretty much the whole prologue, hand-held camera-work following the jokers goons around as they blow the vault, secure the hostages, etc.
- An AWESOME (but brief) shot of Batman walking towards the camera looking REALLY píssed off in one of the TV spots.

So, its possible that what is possibly the most anticipated movie of my life (and ive been around for 23 years) could be filmed in the exact style of directing i love..........
this is pure joy.

Great stuff
 
I've actually never seen Heat. I love Mann's "Collateral" with a fiery passion, though.

see heat as soon as possible. its great. theres a extended shootout scene in the middle of the film thats probably the best ever done. and from the prologue and trailers, i can big time see an influence, and i think its for the better.
 
That's really great news, With 'Heat' in mind I now too can definitely see the influences in some parts of the trailers.

As a side note, I purchsed Heat in a 3 dvd pack with The Deerhunter & Goodfellas for like £10 in HMV. Bargain!! Here's part of my favourite scene from 'Heat';



Pacino: My life, no, my life..is a disaster zone. I got a stepdaughter so fu**ed up, because her real father is this real life type a$$hole, I got a wife, we’re passing each other on the “down scoop” for the marriage, my third, because I spend all my time chasing guys like you round the block…that’s my life.

DeNiro: A guy told me one time, dont let yourself get attached to anything, if you're not willing to walk out in 30 seconds flat if you feel the 'Heat' around the corner. Now, if you are on me, and you gotta move were I move, how do you expect to keep up a marriage?

Pacino: That’s an interesting point, what are you, a monk?
 
I've actually never seen Heat. I love Mann's "Collateral" with a fiery passion, though.

Yeah - definately see 'Heat'. Ive spoken to a lot of people about it and even the (few) people who dont like it say that it has some of the best action ever done in a movie.
Id also recommend 'Miami Vice', especially as it has a very similar visual style to 'Collateral'. 'Vice' has its critics, mainly for poor scripting and colin farrell, but i think its excellent and NO-ONE has criticised it for the way its shot........its just pure, hardcore Mann.
'Vice' also has an awesome shoot-out at the end, not as long as 'Heat's, but definately more violent/graphic.

I dont want to spoil the TDK prologue for those who havent seen it but it definately looks like Nolan has used some Mann-ish shots for it.......i really cant wait.
 
It might be just me but Nolan could end up using an angle for batman similar to that of Pacino in Heat in that he is always on the hunt 24/7 and he won't stop until he catches his man.
 
It might be just me but Nolan could end up using an angle for batman similar to that of Pacino in Heat in that he is always on the hunt 24/7 and he won't stop until he catches his man.

Very interesting observation. Also, we know that there is "conversation" scene in TDK, which could be like the one in the cafe in 'Heat'.....except, y'know, with more people being thrown into two-way mirrors and stuff :brucebat::hoboj:
 
Just found the quote in the Empire thread:

Also, the biggest weakness of comic-book sequels is their tendency to overstuff the story with bad guys - to wit, Spider-Man 3 and the execrable Batman & Robin.

"Yes, but the ambition has to be to make a film that in some way moves on and develops the world you're in," argues Nolan. "Otherwise you're just making a TV show - you're just making episodes of the same thing. When a sequel's done badly, you take pot-shots at it and say, 'Why did they stuff all these extra characters in?' But when it works well, whether it's The Godfather: Part II or The Empire Strikes Back, nobody complains. You have to try and expand it, and you have to try and do it well. In genre terms, if the first film had a very noirish quality to it, the what we've done with this film is taken on the dynamic of a story of the city, a large crime story. The broader canvas demands more characters to fill it. The audience accepts that type of storytelling when you're looking at the police, the justice system, the vigilate, the poor people, the rich people, the criminals. I'm hoping it's the sort of film that Michael Mann always does very well, like Heat..."
 
I have to say that I seem to love all the decisions and influences that Nolan has come up with in making TDK. It's so awesome to think about how he's making this film as something more than just a superhero movie...the guy's a genius to say the least.
 
That's a pretty interesting insight. I can't believe a couple of you haven't seen it! You just have to get past Kilmer's hair cut...
 
That's a pretty interesting insight. I can't believe a couple of you haven't seen it! You just have to get past Kilmer's hair cut...

Who cares about Kilmer's hair when you've got DENIRO and PACHINO in the same damn film.:cwink:
 
I've always cared about Kilmer's hair. Always.
 
...or to be specific, 'Heat'.
For me, this is fantastic news. Not only am i a HUGE Batman fan (especially Nolans version) but Michael Mann is my favourite director.
My top ten favourite movies include all of mann's movies and Batman Begins, so Nolan saying something along the lines of (i cant remember the quote exactly) "Michael Manns 'Heat' helped influnce my vision for TDK, I wanted it to have a crime epic feel" is like music to my ears. Really awesome music.
Like many people on these boards, ive seen the prologue and the influence is quite clear from the go - you can also tell from other clips of the movie (from trailers and TV spots) that Nolan has taken more of realistic, documentary style of camera-work, just like mann. Some examples are :
- The camera following the joker as he flicks open his knife walking toward a car pile-up (trailer 2)
- Pretty much the whole prologue, hand-held camera-work following the jokers goons around as they blow the vault, secure the hostages, etc.
- An AWESOME (but brief) shot of Batman walking towards the camera looking REALLY píssed off in one of the TV spots.

So, its possible that what is possibly the most anticipated movie of my life (and ive been around for 23 years) could be filmed in the exact style of directing i love..........
this is pure joy.



edit - Just found the quote in the Empire thread:

Also, the biggest weakness of comic-book sequels is their tendency to overstuff the story with bad guys - to wit, Spider-Man 3 and the execrable Batman & Robin.

"Yes, but the ambition has to be to make a film that in some way moves on and develops the world you're in," argues Nolan. "Otherwise you're just making a TV show - you're just making episodes of the same thing. When a sequel's done badly, you take pot-shots at it and say, 'Why did they stuff all these extra characters in?' But when it works well, whether it's The Godfather: Part II or The Empire Strikes Back, nobody complains. You have to try and expand it, and you have to try and do it well. In genre terms, if the first film had a very noirish quality to it, the what we've done with this film is taken on the dynamic of a story of the city, a large crime story. The broader canvas demands more characters to fill it. The audience accepts that type of storytelling when you're looking at the police, the justice system, the vigilate, the poor people, the rich people, the criminals. I'M HOPING ITS THE SORT OF FILM THAT MICHAEL MANN ALWAYS DOES VERY WELL, LIKE HEAT..."

My favourite author, Andy McNab, was technical adviser on that film.
 
9 of your 10 favourit fims are Michael Mann films?

I saw Heat, but it was years ago.
 
Heat's pretty sweet. It's an epic showdown between Pacino and De Niro, just like TDK is between Batman and the Joker. :up:
 
Its a good influence since TDK looks like it focuses a little more heavily on the law and criminality.
 
Cant wait til Public Enemies comes out by the way!
 
9 of your 10 favourit fims are Michael Mann films?

Not quite, i have an unofficial top ten favourite movies list, and most of mann's movies are in there - 'Heat' is in, 'Collateral', 'Ali', 'Thief', 'Last of the mohicans' and 'Miami vice'.
I really like his other work (The Insider, Manhunter, The Keep) but their not in my top 10. Top 20 maybe?
Begins is in there, along with crimson tide, The Departed and Knocked up.:woot:

Another Heat/TDK link ive thought of - the blue tint. Mann used a Blue tint for some scenes in Heat and TDK seems to have it too, at least for promotional material - not sure if one will be used in the movie though...
 
Heat frickin' rules - one of my favorite films that has so many great moments - especially the DeNiro/Pacino scene - it's outstanding.

If TDK is like "Heat" with comic book characters, it will definitely step up the genre once again, just like BB did..........
 

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