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Who Ya Got ...To Win the NBA Title?

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Not surprised at all, imo he's just doing what ever he can to get a more favorable sentence, since he's now a convicted felon, and plus there's no evidence of this either

Federal Court documents. Lying in a Federal Court will only up his sentence more so he really has nothing to lose and might as well tell the truth. You're not going to admit to it because you're a Laker fan and you don't want to believe that possibly your 2002 title may have an asterisk on it now.
 
Federal Court documents. Lying in a Federal Court will only up his sentence more so he really has nothing to lose and might as well tell the truth. You're not going to admit to it because you're a Laker fan and you don't want to believe that possibly your 2002 title may have an asterisk on it now.
:whatever: i should have know you were going to say that. Untill they have proof LS than what he said is bs to me
 
officials were told not to eject star players due to ticket sales being hurt.

I don't know if I buy that. How would it hurt ticket sales? The tickets for that game are already sold and fouling out doesn't carry over to the next game. I don't know what went on or why but that statement just doesn't make sense.
 
:whatever: i should have know you were going to say that. Untill they have proof LS than what he said is bs to me

You wouldn't have heard it if HE hadn't said it and his LAWYER revealed court document papers from a FEDERAL COURT. You do realize that lying in a federal court means a ****load of trouble right? He's already in trouble, you think he's stupid enough to make up some BS lie on Federal Court documents?

Wow, Laker fans really don't want to believe this, huh? Face it, your title may have an asterisk right now and with this information games will be watched more closely now.
 
I don't know if I buy that. How would it hurt ticket sales? The tickets for that game are already sold and fouling out doesn't carry over to the next game. I don't know what went on or why but that statement just doesn't make sense.

Ejecting stars like Kobe or Shaq most likely would've hurt ratings and ticket sales actually. So say if Kobe was supposed to be suspended for two flagarants he would be suspended for the next game, same goes for Shaq, so it most likely would've carried over into the next game and ratings possibly could've suffered due to the lack of star quality.
 
You wouldn't have heard it if HE hadn't said it and his LAWYER revealed court document papers from a FEDERAL COURT. You do realize that lying in a federal court means a ****load of trouble right? He's already in trouble, you think he's stupid enough to make up some BS lie on Federal Court documents?

Wow, Laker fans really don't want to believe this, huh? Face it, your title may have an asterisk right now and with this information games will be watched more closely now.
wow go ahead and trust a convicted fellon, you know that he can spend up to 75 years in prison for what he's done, he'll do whatever he can to get out of it, **** i would too, so it doesn't matter, the lakers still would have 2 out of 3, if what he said was true. when was the last time your team won a championship? :hehe:
 
it doesn't matter, the laker still would have 2 out of 3. when was the last time your team won a championship :hehe:

My team has no championships at the moment, but I take comfort in knowing that when or if we win one it'll be earned and not given to us. And just like a Laker fan you have to rely on the past to comfort a present situation. Why would you want to know that even ONE of your titles was fixed?

As a fan I would disgusted because I'd like to believe that the team I've followed for years earned it and didn't have it handed it to them.
 
wow go ahead and trust a convicted fellon, you know that he can spend up to 75 years in prison for what he's done, he'll do whatever he can to get out of it, **** i would too, so it doesn't matter, the lakers still would have 2 out of 3, if what he said was true. when was the last time your team won a championship? :hehe:

Wow, do ANY of you Laker fans go to school? You do realize the difference between a federal court and regular court right? You do realize that LYING on FEDERAL COURT DOCUMENTS isn't going to get him out of any trouble, it's only going to add MORE TIME to his sentence. No amount of lies or truth is going to change the outcome, it's only to going to get ugly from here and guess what? SOMEONE had to have told him and other officials not to eject star players.

Someone told them to fix certain games to prolong the series.
 
My team has no championships at the moment, but I take comfort in knowing that when or if we win one it'll be earned and not given to us. And just like a Laker fan you have to rely on the past to comfort a present situation. Why would you want to know that even ONE of your titles was fixed?

As a fan I would disgusted because I'd like to believe that the team I've followed for years earned it and didn't have it handed it to them.
i know this is bs thou, that's why im not worried at all, and i know they'll never put an asterisk by 2002 Lakers, so go ahead and be happy all you want
 
For those who ridiculed me about the possibility of officials fixing games you owe me an apology. It was just revealed on ESPN that Tim Donaghy revealed in federal court documents that the 2002 NBA playoffs between Sacramento/Los Angeles was fixed and officials were told not to eject star players due to ticket sales being hurt.
What?! The outed crooked ref, who was on the take from Joey Goodfella, just admitted to possible chicanery of which there is absolutely no proof? The hell you say! :eek:

Well, this must be true. It's not like Donaghy has any reason to lie ...like possible favorable sentencing for his cooperation. :dry:

So, he claims something happened that he can't remotely prove. How convenient. Give the illusion that you're trying to aid in the investigation, without providing anything tangible that can be disproven. I believe saw an antagonist use that line of thought on an old Alfred Hitchcock Presents rerun. Clever.

I could make up any number of nonsensical scenarios where there's no hard evidence. You couldn't prove I was lying, but it doesn't mean I simply didn't make it up either. Let me know when something drops other than the ramblings from a dude who'll be soon identified by a set of numbers. :funny:

Mister J, Fran, GhostVirus, Ben, and ImmortalFire. All of you who made fun of the very idea that what I was saying could be true owe me an apology.
Wait on it. :lmao:
 
Not every game, but now it makes you wonder what other games have officials tampered with?

Not every game? Why not? Its all one big conspiracy by david stern to put the best marketable teams to go further in the playoffs. it all makes sense.
 
What?! The outed crooked ref, who was on the take from Joey Goodfella, just admitted to possible chicanery of which there is absolutely no proof? The hell you say! :eek:

Well, this must be true. It's not like Donaghy has any reason to lie ...like possible favorable sentencing for his cooperation. :dry:

So, he claims something happened that he can't remotely prove. How convenient. Give the illusion that you're trying to aid in the investigation, without providing anything tangible that can be disproven. I believe saw an antagonist use that line of thought on an old Alfred Hitchcock Presents rerun. Clever.

I could make up any number of nonsensical scenarios where there's no hard evidence. You couldn't prove I was lying, but it doesn't mean I simply didn't make it up either. Let me know when something drops other than the ramblings from a dude who'll be soon identified by a set of numbers. :funny:


Wait on it. :lmao:

If he has proof all you're going to do is deny it and say he's lying anyways. What you fail to understand is that these are from FEDERAL COURT documents, you do realize the heavy punishment that would await him if it's revealed that he's lying, right? If it's proven that two other officials were involved and were told not to eject top stars, then guess what? They have to go on the stand before a federal court and testify most likely. They would have no choice BUT to tell the truth Mister J.

There is no favorable sentencing in a federal court setting. Whatever time he has will be added on regardless, so he has no reason to lie at this point, he's already in deep ****.

As for the two officials? Someone told them to fix the games and someone told them not to eject the top stars, whoever told them had a high position of authority and you may be mod and all, but you're not going to talk down to me in order to make me feel less of a person when there's the possibility of officials and MAYBE Stern fixing games now.
 
i know this is bs thou, that's why im not worried at all, and i know they'll never put an asterisk by 2002 Lakers, so go ahead and be happy all you want

Of course you'll say it's bs because you're a Laker fan and don't want to believe that your team won a game by officials fixing games. I'll take no championships over a championship that is just handed to my favorite team.
 
If he has proof all you're going to do is deny it and say he's lying anyways. What you fail to understand is that these are from FEDERAL COURT documents, you do realize the heavy punishment that would await him if it's revealed that he's lying, right? If it's proven that two other officials were involved and were told not to eject top stars, then guess what? They have to go on the stand before a federal court and testify most likely. They would have no choice BUT to tell the truth Mister J.

There is no favorable sentencing in a federal court setting. Whatever time he has will be added on regardless, so he has no reason to lie at this point, he's already in deep ****.
What you fail to understand is that it's near impossible for a revelation that he's lying. Donaghy says "they told us to do this". Another ref or league executive says "No they/we didn't." How do you prove who's telling the truth? This is useless drivel from an interested party until it's somehow corroborated. Holla at me then.

You really came in up here acting all self-righteous, asking for an apology, over the ramblings of a felon? For real? :funny:
As for the two officials? Someone told them to fix the games and someone told them not to eject the top stars, whoever told them had a high position of authority and you may be mod and all, but you're not going to talk down to me in order to make me feel less of a person when there's the possibility of officials and MAYBE Stern fixing games now.
 
What you fail to understand is that it's near impossible for a revelation that he's lying. Donaghy says "they told us to do this". Another ref or league executive says "No they/we didn't." How do you prove who's telling the truth? This is useless drivel from an interested party until it's somehow corroborated. Holla at me then.

You really came in up here acting all self-righteous, asking for an apology, over the ramblings of a felon? For real? :funny:


A Felon has nothing to lose so he's going to let it out and most likely tell the truth. Just because a person is a felon doesn't mean they always lie, that's what you don't understand.

Like I said, you and a host of others don't want to accept that he's telling the truth and has no reason to lie now. As for the other officials/executive? You expect them to tell the truth to the media? You expect them to say "Yeah, we did it as well." Look at how long Pete Rose denied he betted on baseball before he finally told the truth.

Source: Wikipedia/Yahoo Sports News

Handicapper Brandon Lang told ESPN that it is fairly easy for a crooked sports official to fix a game, despite Stern's insistence that Donaghy was a "rogue official". According to Lang, an official can directly influence the outcome of a game 75 percent of the time if he has money on the game. For instance, Lang said that a crooked NBA referee can fix the total score by calling enough fouls to get both teams in the bonus. When a game is being fixed, Lang said, the officials should be the prime suspects because the players are making too much money to risk their future. Lang also believed a bookie connected to the mob turned Donaghy in to the FBI.[22] On June 10th, 2008, it was confirmed that Donaghy was responsible for the awful officiating in the 2002 Western Conference Finals between the Sacramento Kings and the Los Angeles Lakers. In game 6 of that series, the Kings were called for a blistering 27 fouls in the fourth quarter while the Lakers for only 9. The Lakers went on to win game 6 and eventually the series in seven games. The game has been referred to as a fixed game but never confirmed until Donaghy admitted to investigators 6 years after. He says that the NBA wanted to the series to go to 7 games due to the fact that it would hurt ticket sales and tv ratings.

Ex-NBA referee Tim Donaghy told the feds two refs fixed the outcome of one playoff series - and that officials were told not to eject star players from games for fear of hurting ticket sales.

The bombshell allegations are contained in a court document filed Tuesday by Donaghy's lawyer. It describes the “inner workings" of the NBA in which top league executives used referees to manipulate games.

Donaghy, who pleaded guilty in Brooklyn Federal Court to charges of betting on games he officiated, told FBI agents “league officials would tell referees that they should withhold calling technical fouls on certain star players because doing so hurt ticket sales and television ratings," the document said.

Donaghy claims he was told that two refs who were “company men” acting in the interest of the NBA conspired to extend a playoff series in 2002 to a seventh game.

The referees allegedly ignored flagrant fouls committed by the team that needed to win. They also reportedly called "made-up fouls" against the other team which led to the ejection of two of their players. The team favored by the refs won that night and the next game to win the series.

The document does not name the teams. The Nets were in that playoff series, losing the championship finals to the Los Angeles Lakers.

Donaghy also claimed a supervising referee told refs that an unidentified NBA executive did not want them to call technical fouls on star players or boot them from the game.

Donaghy told feds the league reprimanded a referee who disobeyed that edict in January 2000 and ejected an unnamed star player from a game in the first quarter.

Lawyer John Lauro filed the four-page letter to Federal Judge Carol Amon because none of the information was included in the government’s letter to the judge seeking leniency for Donaghy when he is sentenced next month.

Lauro has gone to war against Brooklyn federal prosecutors for offering plea deals to Donaghy's betting accomplices that give them less time than the disgraced ref, despite his extensive cooperation.

Donaghy claims referees have accepted autographs, free merchandise and meals from team coaches and managers. He told probers one referee used a team's practice facility to exercise and another played tennis with an NBA coach.

"These activities were against NBA rules, indeed, such inappropriate relationships could influence the outcome of games," Lauro wrote.

Lauro said he withheld the names of the teams, referees and league officials because the feds may still investigate the allegations
 
If only we could get Wonder Woman to show up and use the Lasso of Truth. We'd get to the bottom of this, no sweat. :ww:

As for the Pete Rose comparison, I'll see you in 14 years. :funny: :up:
 
If only we could get Wonder Woman to show up and use the Lasso of Truth. We'd get to the bottom of this, no sweat. :ww:

As for the Pete Rose comparison, I'll see you in 14 years. :funny: :up:

As I said, there's the possibility that there is some dirty shady stuff going on and David Stern or someone else may be covering their asses. I could be wrong, but I don't think I am wrong on this account. If it's proven that the league is fixing games just so they can increase ticket sales and ratings, you'll just continue to deny it and say that said official is being bitter, said official is lying, and said official is trying to bring everyone else down with him.
 
I don't see how some of you can blow off some of Donahues(spelling) testimony. Some of the playoff series were so one sided that you can't help but wonder if its true....Lakers Vs Portland anyone? If any "fan" of the game watch some of the one sided called games and completely dismisses it is blind! It's crazy to say that its impossible for refs to fix games. Even espn says that the game will be called one sided tonight(and it has been thus far).
 
So Gilbert is now a free agent. *takes a deep breath* GILBERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:cmad:
Come to Chicago.:up:
 
I don't see how some of you can blow off some of Donahues(spelling) testimony. Some of the playoff series were so one sided that you can't help but wonder if its true....Lakers Vs Portland anyone? If any "fan" of the game watch some of the one sided called games and completely dismisses it is blind! It's crazy to say that its impossible for refs to fix games. Even espn says that the game will be called one sided tonight(and it has been thus far).

Exactly my point Docker. Another issue I want to point out is the blatant favoritism that they've shown Phil Jackson. Anytime he criticizes/accuses an official of cheating he never gets any kind of fine or punishment.

Now say if someone like Doc Rivers, Mark Cuban, Avery Johnson, Rick Adelman, or Popavich accuses an official they get a heavy fine. That right there shows that SOMETHING is up and they're doing it in the most obvious fashion, but so many blind fans will dismiss it because they don't want to believe that a legitimate sport can be fixed.

Believe me I love basketball and I hate the very idea of it possibly being fixed, hence why I'm going to continue speaking my mind about it and I do believe that Donaghy is telling the truth. I see no reason for him to lie about it at this point honestly, and if he is lying, then I'll admit that I was wrong in backing up his claims and so forth. People need to stop being so narrow minded and be open to the possibility that the NBA is ran by crooked officials and executives.
 
*exiting the realm of conspiratorial fiction*

Boston is flat; no spark whatsoever.
 
So Gilbert is now a free agent. *takes a deep breath* GILBERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:cmad:
Come to Chicago.:up:
Pax ain't opening the purse strings like that; although, I suppose sign and trades are always in style. He and Hughes did play fairly well together in Washington.
 
*exiting the realm of conspiratorial fiction*

Boston is flat; no spark whatsoever.

There is no fiction. What I've provided is actual news from ESPN and Yahoo Sports. If you refuse to believe it then that's your choice, but don't think that just because you're a mod you can throw out veiled insults and try to talk down to posters.

*exits the realm of those who are blind to the possibility of a league fixing games*

As for Gilbert Arenas? No telling where he'll be next season. Personally I'd like to see him go to Cleveland or maybe Utah.
 
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