Official 2008 MLB thread

[Captain Planet!]

Hmm... last time the Phillies won the World Series, the Orioles won it 3 years later.


CONGRATULATIONS TO THE 2011 WORLD CHAMPION BALTIMORE ORIOLES!

 

[Dark Donnie]

I did see the bus flip and a few cars.

Whatever...I'm not going to argue with you two about proper fan etiquette. We're the World Champs. This city has been waiting for a championship for a lonnnnnnng time and we got it.

You guys never had a drought like this so you have no clue. 25 years of waiting and if the worst thing that happens is a couple of overturned cars and a couple of arrests then who cares.

 

[Sarge 2.0]

High five Dark Donnie.

Are you going to the parade?

 

[Dark Donnie]

High five Dark Donnie.

Are you going to the parade?

Yeah I'll be down there. Probably take the subway down to 16th and Locust and make my way to Broad . You?

 

[Sarge 2.0]

If I can get my professor to let me take an exam earlier in the day, definitely.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

I did see the bus flip and a few cars.

Whatever...I'm not going to argue with you two about proper fan etiquette. We're the World Champs. This city has been waiting for a championship for a lonnnnnnng time and we got it.

You guys never had a drought like this so you have no clue. 25 years of waiting and if the worst thing that happens is a couple of overturned cars and a couple of arrests then who cares.

Yes, New Yorkers have. While at least 1 team has won a championship each decade, not everyone is a fan. The Rangers winning in 1994 was huge because not everyone was an Islanders fan or Devils fan. Yankees winning in 1996 was huge because not everyone is a Mets fan.

 

[Erzengel]

I did see the bus flip and a few cars.

Whatever...I'm not going to argue with you two about proper fan etiquette. We're the World Champs. This city has been waiting for a championship for a lonnnnnnng time and we got it.

You guys never had a drought like this so you have no clue. 25 years of waiting and if the worst thing that happens is a couple of overturned cars and a couple of arrests then who cares.

Just don't see why destroying stuff is necessary. I would say the same thing if that happened in NY. And not only being blaze' about it, but being proud of the destruction. I just don't get it.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Posted the 2009 thread

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=15894398

 

[Sarge 2.0]

It was a fun night. I didn't destroy anything, but other people did and it made for a fun atmosphere. It was rowdy and intense. And when stuff wasn't getting lit on fire it was just a huge crowd of people celebrating and having fun.

 

[Dark Donnie]

Just don't see why destroying stuff is necessary. I would say the same thing if that happened in NY. And not only being blaze' about it, but being proud of the destruction. I just don't get it.

People causing destruction here, Boston, LA, NY...generally aren't thinking and usually are helped along by the consumption of beer and liquor. I doubt there's alot of stone sober guys running around flipping buses.

 

[Shemtov]

there was riots?
septa bus burnings?
trucks over turned?
hmmm.... sounds like twhat i heard about the celebration of the flyers winning the stanley cup in '75 but thats not as half as awesome as this.
did u see that last pitch lidge deserved tht DHL Delivery Man of the Year Award.
he also should be given the cy.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

there was riots?
septa bus burnings?
trucks over turned?
hmmm.... sounds like twhat i heard about the celebration of the flyers winning the stanley cup in '75 but thats not as half as awesome as this.
did u see that last pitch lidge deserved tht DHL Delivery Man of the Year Award.
he also should be given the cy.

He wasn't even the best pitcher in his division.

 

[Dark Donnie]

He wasn't even the best pitcher in his division.

I'd rather have Lidge at moment then Santana. What good is 7-8 strong innings if the lead gets blown. Lidge was our MVP

He'll get Votes.

He converted every save and tied the playoff record

 

[Spidey-Bat]

IF you guys subtracted Johan and added Top Flight Closer like Lidge you would have made the playoffs.

Uh, no. Santana's 234.3 innings were far more valuable than Lidge's 69.3 innings. Sorry, but that is probably the dumbest thing I've ever seen you post.

 

[Dark Donnie]

Uh, no. Santana's 234.3 innings were far more valuable than Lidge's 69.3 innings. Sorry, but that is probably the dumbest thing I've ever seen you post.

Cause those 234 got you into the playoffs. I actually edited my post before you posted...We wouldn't be WS Champs right now if it wasn't for Lidge. The Phillies proved you can win with average starting pitching. Yes Hamels is a stud, but there is a big huge drop off after.

I'll take a guy that can have an effect on 72 games then a guy who can only effect 34...

You guys had like 30 blown saves, and leads lose after the 7th(exageration, but could be close), you'd be the dumb one to think a top closer wouldn't change your outcome.

 

[Kingfish]

As with all teams, winning the Series has clearly caused Donnie to overvalue the players on his team and begin making inane statements. Anyone who would take Lidge over Santana is thinking with something besides his brain.

 

[Dark Donnie]

As with all teams, winning the Series has clearly caused Donnie to overvalue the players on his team and begin making inane statements. Anyone who would take Lidge over Santana is thinking with something besides his brain.

There is no over value at all. I don't think Johan Santana helped The Mets that much this year. What did he add overall, 5 or so wins? Meanwhile Lidge converted every save chance he and we didn't lose a game when we had a lead after the 8th all year.

I didn't say Lidge >>>>Santana or Santana sucks....I just think that Lidge was a huge reason as to why we made the playoffs and went on to win the Series, and a better bullpen would have changed The Mets outcome.

I'd take Santana in a heartbeat, but not at the cost of a lights out closer.

 

[Johnny Blaze]

As much as it pains me to say it, congrats to the Phillies. Yes, there were some **** calls by the umps that didn't go our way, but that doesn't matter. The Rays got beat, pure and simple. The Phils bats came to life when needed, and their bullpen did it's job.
The Rays looked lethargic the majority of the series, and the Phillies took advantage of that. Which is what good teams do.

So congrats, Philly. Hopefully we'll see you again next season, and the Rays beat your sorry ass.

Everyone off the bandwagon!

Eh, I've been on the Rays wagon for five years, so I'm definitely not jumping off when the team is finally worth a ****.
I'm curious to see how many do jump off though. All the transplant fans from Northern cities who were cheering on the Rays since their team(s) were out of contention and such.
Hopefully this success will continue and the Rays can build a decent fan base in the Bay area.

 

[cyborg ninja 14]

I'd rather have Lidge at moment then Santana. What good is 7-8 strong innings if the lead gets blown. Lidge was our MVP

He'll get Votes.

He converted every save and tied the playoff record

Starters are ALWAYS worth more in value than relievers. The perception that Santana wasn't very helpful to his team was due to the fact that the Mets had a **** bullpen that couldn't hold a lead. If you give the Mets a reliable closer and setup man this changes everything. Gagne shamefully won the cy in '03 and he turned to ****, and he ends up on the Mitchell report. What Lidge has done this season was quite impressive given he pitched at Citizens Bank most of the time, but someone like Lincecum and Santana obviously should be considered first before any reliever.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

I'll take a guy that can have an effect on 72 games then a guy who can only effect 34...

Except Santana's impact isn't limited to the 34 games he pitches. He gives the bullpen a rest every 5 days which helps in the other games.

I don't care how good a closer is. Unless he has an ungodly year like Dennis Eckersley in 1989, there is no way a closer is more valuable than an ace who pitches 235 innings over the year.

You guys had like 30 blown saves, and leads lose after the 7th(exageration, but could be close), you'd be the dumb one to think a top closer wouldn't change your outcome.

Unless Lidge would have pitched multiple innings (which he never did in the regular season), it wouldn't have changed anything. Wagner WAS having a good season in the first half.

There is no over value at all. I don't think Johan Santana helped The Mets that much this year..

Wow.......just......wow.........I am speechless. I am without speech.

What did he add overall, 5 or so wins? Meanwhile Lidge converted every save chance he and we didn't lose a game when we had a lead after the 8th all year.

I didn't say Lidge >>>>Santana or Santana sucks....I just think that Lidge was a huge reason as to why we made the playoffs and went on to win the Series, and a better bullpen would have changed The Mets outcome.

I'd take Santana in a heartbeat, but not at the cost of a lights out closer.

You are grossly overrating the last 3 outs of a game. The Indians won 97 games with Joe Borowski last year. Are you going to tell me Joe Borowski was more important than Sabathia or Carmona because he saved 47 games?

 

[Alex The Great]

Lock Thread Mods?

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Not yet. There's still the reg season awards to discuss.

 

[Alex The Great]

jerk

 

[Immortalfire]

Lock Thread Mods?

Later.

 

[Kingfish]

There is no over value at all. I don't think Johan Santana helped The Mets that much this year. What did he add overall, 5 or so wins? Meanwhile Lidge converted every save chance he and we didn't lose a game when we had a lead after the 8th all year.

I didn't say Lidge >>>>Santana or Santana sucks....I just think that Lidge was a huge reason as to why we made the playoffs and went on to win the Series, and a better bullpen would have changed The Mets outcome.

I'd take Santana in a heartbeat, but not at the cost of a lights out closer.

If you say that you want Lidge over Santana, on a pure basis of their abilities, then you are overvaluing him. It happens with every World Series winning team. Fans love their players and would rather have them over anyone, even much better players. I'm guilty of it too, from back in 2003. That said, Santana is clearly a more valuable pitcher to a team.