Official Batman Titles thread 2.0 - Part 1

[Mystirious]

She's a well written ass kicking lgbt female character created by the greatest luving comic book writer and one of the industries gretest artists

Batwoman Elegy was one of the best comic book stories DC has ever published.

Her ongoing series looks like it will be fab

And the character matters to me because of who she is. It matters to me that for the first time at a major publisher an lgbt character is getting her own ongoing comic book series to star in and that makes me so happy. The Batwoman character is important to me so very very important

 

[Saint]

But why? I consider Batwoman to be significant in comic book history, but I can't fathom why anyone would love her that much so far. I can understand if she had more than just one excellent run and appeared in video games, merchandising, movies, television shows, etc. She's too fresh, too new, and the rest of the stuff with her in it has been rather generic and mediocre.

It only takes one good story to fall in love with a character.

 

[Mr. Earle]

She's a well written ass kicking lgbt female character created by the greatest luving comic book writer and one of the industries gretest artists

Batwoman Elegy was one of the best comic book stories DC has ever published.

Her ongoing series looks like it will be fab

And the character matters to me because of who she is. It matters to me that for the first time at a major publisher an lgbt character is getting her own ongoing comic book series to star in and that makes me so happy. The Batwoman character is important to me so very very important

I think there have been other lgbt characters with their own book before Batwoman, but they were probably more obscure titles than hers. I cant name any but i have heard of such titles. Also arent two dudes in the outsiders gay? Its like a dude with a trenchcoat and a dude with gold on his suit. Or are they Marvel? Damn i cant remember.

But anyway why is her sexuality so important? I havent read the whole arc but i doubt it makes that huge of an impact to it. What i mean is that the comic isnt centered around that, its a classic bat-character book.

 

[Watchman]

The knight talks about the ever-ringing bells and questions in where and what time he is this time, seems rather clear to me.

I don't doubt that the bells are connect to Bruce's quantum leap but I do not think Bruce is the Knight or even in the Falklands. Bruce knows something that we don't and it's probably has to do with the time jump, Leviathan, and Daedalus.

Also, Dr. Daedalus is another silver age character getting a revamp. He's some mad scientist who created a bunch of crime robots. Batman team ups with the Metal Men to take them down.

I think there have been other lgbt characters with their own book before Batwoman, but they were probably more obscure titles than hers.

Midnighter

 

[Mr. Earle]

Yeah that's the guy with the trenchcoat i was talking about.

 

[CrimsonMist]

So I guess I'll only be buying Detective Comics and that Gotham City book by Scott Snyder until the fall. Sigh. Atleast there's Dark Horse. They never let me down.

 

[hippie_hunter]

She's a well written ass kicking lgbt female character created by the greatest luving comic book writer and one of the industries gretest artists

But most of the time she hasn't been a well written kicking lgbt female character. Until her run on Detective Comics, she was nothing but a bland and generic lipstick lesbian that DC introduced horribly.

Batwoman Elegy was one of the best comic book stories DC has ever published.

Her ongoing series looks like it will be fab

That I agree with.

And the character matters to me because of who she is. It matters to me that for the first time at a major publisher an lgbt character is getting her own ongoing comic book series to star in and that makes me so happy. The Batwoman character is important to me so very very important

I will say that Batwoman pretty much being the first well written gay character by a major publisher is pretty significant. But but in order for her to go into the pantheon of my favorites which includes Aquaman, Deadpool, Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, and Dick Grayson, she needs more Elegys and less 52s. I'd like to see DC promote the character outside of comics (I honestly think that a Batwoman series would be so much cooler than the Wonder Woman series they're developing right now for television).

 

[Saint]

I think there have been other lgbt characters with their own book before Batwoman, but they were probably more obscure titles than hers. I cant name any but i have heard of such titles. Also arent two dudes in the outsiders gay? Its like a dude with a trenchcoat and a dude with gold on his suit. Or are they Marvel? Damn i cant remember.

But anyway why is her sexuality so important? I havent read the whole arc but i doubt it makes that huge of an impact to it. What i mean is that the comic isnt centered around that, its a classic bat-character book.

The story doesn't have to revolve around her sexuality in order for it to be significant. Gay characters are usually relegated to team books and supporting casts rather than high profile solo ongoings, so it's significant to see such high profile representation.

 

[hippie_hunter]

The story doesn't have to revolve around her sexuality in order for it to be significant. Gay characters are usually relegated to team books and supporting casts rather than high profile solo ongoings, so it's significant to see such high profile representation.

Not only that but for the most part gay characters are just horribly written, are overshadowed, it's easy to forget they're gay, or they'll **** it up somehow. Take Scandal Savage for example, if you take away the homosexuality aspect of her character, she'd still be the same character and she is outshined by Ragdoll. Or Renee Montoya who has been written horribly ever since 52 and she became the Question and had to share the spotlight with many characters in Gotham Central. Or Robinson's alien Starman, who I can't give two ****s about.

Now Batwoman on the other hand, yeah she got off to a rocky start, but with her run on Detective Comics, unlike Scandal Savage, her sexuality was used in a brilliant way to where it actually enhances her character, she isn't overshadowed like Scandal Savage, and she was written fantastically as opposed to how she was written beforehand.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

I think Renee's sexuality pre-52 was written as better than Kate in Elegy. I'm just now realizing it, but Elegy kinda rehashed the same thing to me. "oh no, my career is over because I was outed. I'll fight crime my OWN way!"

and yes, Elegy was good. but one of the best stories DC has EVER printed? Mysti, I think your bias is getting a bit ridiculous here.

 

[Mr. Earle]

The story doesn't have to revolve around her sexuality in order for it to be significant. Gay characters are usually relegated to team books and supporting casts rather than high profile solo ongoings, so it's significant to see such high profile representation.

Not only that but for the most part gay characters are just horribly written, are overshadowed, it's easy to forget they're gay, or they'll **** it up somehow. Take Scandal Savage for example, if you take away the homosexuality aspect of her character, she'd still be the same character and she is outshined by Ragdoll. Or Renee Montoya who has been written horribly ever since 52 and she became the Question and had to share the spotlight with many characters in Gotham Central. Or Robinson's alien Starman, who I can't give two ****s about.

Now Batwoman on the other hand, yeah she got off to a rocky start, but with her run on Detective Comics, unlike Scandal Savage, her sexuality was used in a brilliant way to where it actually enhances her character, she isn't overshadowed like Scandal Savage, and she was written fantastically as opposed to how she was written beforehand.

Good points.

Btw... Scandal Savage? REALLY? That's her name? OMG!

 

[Mystirious]

Not only that but for the most part gay characters are just horribly written, are overshadowed, it's easy to forget they're gay, or they'll **** it up somehow. Take Scandal Savage for example, if you take away the homosexuality aspect of her character, she'd still be the same character and she is outshined by Ragdoll. Or Renee Montoya who has been written horribly ever since 52 and she became the Question and had to share the spotlight with many characters in Gotham Central. Or Robinson's alien Starman, who I can't give two ****s about.

Now Batwoman on the other hand, yeah she got off to a rocky start, but with her run on Detective Comics, unlike Scandal Savage, her sexuality was used in a brilliant way to where it actually enhances her character, she isn't overshadowed like Scandal Savage, and she was written fantastically as opposed to how she was written beforehand.

I think that Scandal Savage and Renee are both fantastic lgbt characters and i love them both with so much love. I think they are great well written lgbt characters and i wish DC would introduce more characters like them. I disagree that Ragdoll outshines her. Hes a cute bit of hawt looking eye candy and he says funny stuff sometimes but i still like Scandal much better than Ragdoll and do not think he outshines her

But Batwoman is still most definitely my favourite and neither Scandal nor Renee ever had their own ongoing

Batwoman is not the only well written lgbt character DC has created but she is the only one to have her own highly promoted solo series and it fills me with joy to finally see a major mainstream comics publisher release an ongoing that stars an openly lgbt character

I think there have been other lgbt characters with their own book before Batwoman, but they were probably more obscure titles than hers. I cant name any but i have heard of such titles. Also arent two dudes in the outsiders gay? Its like a dude with a trenchcoat and a dude with gold on his suit. Or are they Marvel? Damn i cant remember.

But anyway why is her sexuality so important? I havent read the whole arc but i doubt it makes that huge of an impact to it. What i mean is that the comic isnt centered around that, its a classic bat-character book.

It's very important to me

As an lgbt comics fan I want to see more well written lgbt comic book characters and Batwoman is one of the best

 

[Mystirious]

I will say that Batwoman pretty much being the first well written gay character by a major publisher is pretty significant. But but in order for her to go into the pantheon of my favorites which includes Aquaman, Deadpool, Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, and Dick Grayson, she needs more Elegys and less 52s. I'd like to see DC promote the character outside of comics (I honestly think that a Batwoman series would be so much cooler than the Wonder Woman series they're developing right now for television).

She is not the first well written gay character but she is the first to get her own solo ongoing series. All the other lgbt characters at DC are either in team books or part of a supporting cast

I would watch a Batwoman tv show but only if it was like the comic books. That would be fun on a bun

Good points.

Btw... Scandal Savage? REALLY? That's her name? OMG!

Scandal is you should read Secret Six

And her girlfriend is as adorable as four tens of puppies

The story doesn't have to revolve around her sexuality in order for it to be significant. Gay characters are usually relegated to team books and supporting casts rather than high profile solo ongoings, so it's significant to see such high profile representation.

'Xactly

 

[Assassin]

She's a well written ass kicking lgbt female character created by the greatest luving comic book writer and one of the industries gretest artists

Batwoman Elegy was one of the best comic book stories DC has ever published.

Her ongoing series looks like it will be fab

And the character matters to me because of who she is. It matters to me that for the first time at a major publisher an lgbt character is getting her own ongoing comic book series to star in and that makes me so happy. The Batwoman character is important to me so very very important

haha you're going way too far...without that incredible art that book wouldn't of been half as good.

 

[Assassin]

Just read Batman Inc #3. Didn't like it at all. The art was not as good as before. The first 4 or 5 pages were ******ed and had nothing to do with anything. WTF, i waited 3 months for this crap?

 

[hippie_hunter]

I think that Scandal Savage and Renee are both fantastic lgbt characters and i love them both with so much love. I think they are great well written lgbt characters and i wish DC would introduce more characters like them. I disagree that Ragdoll outshines her. Hes a cute bit of hawt looking eye candy and he says funny stuff sometimes but i still like Scandal much better than Ragdoll and do not think he outshines her

Scandal is indeed a great character, but even without her homosexuality, she'd still pretty much be the same character. Unlike Renee Montoya and Batwoman, Scandal's sexuality really doesn't define her as a character, it's just who she is. And yes, Scandal is outshined by Ragdoll. And dare I say she is also outshined by Catman, Deadshot, and Bane. But to me, the stars of Secret Six are Ragdoll and Catman.

As for Renee, yeah she was originally well written with her sexuality, but unlike Batwoman, she still had to share the spotlight with others. And then 52 completely ruined her. And nowadays instead of using her sexuality to enhance the character like they used to, they treat it as more of a crutch. I love 52, but I really can't stand how it completely ruined Montoya.

Batwoman is not the only well written lgbt character DC has created but she is the only one to have her own highly promoted solo series and it fills me with joy to finally see a major mainstream comics publisher release an ongoing that stars an openly lgbt character

There are other LBGT characters that are written okay, but again DC either ****s them up like they did with Renee Montoya or they just get pushed to the side like with Scandal.

That is the main reason why Batwoman is important IMO. Because we have an LGBT character that so far hasn't been ****ed up, is written extremely well, and isn't pushed to the side despite being a part of the Batman mythos, where it is very easy to be pushed aside and forgotten.

It's very important to me

As an lgbt comics fan I want to see more well written lgbt comic book characters and Batwoman is one of the best

But I'm nothing like Aquaman, Superman, Batman, or Deadpool. Sure I have more in common with other favorites of mine like Spider-Man and Hank Pym, but a character that is like me, needs more to be on the top of my list.

 

[Spade]

The Batwoman situation is getting ridiculous. This comic has been announced for so long that I'm almost sure Ultimates vol. 2 took less time to finish than this has to get started.

That said, Williams' take on her is the main reason why anyone has spoken of a new Bat family book with anticipation. So it might be worth the (very long) wait.

 

[Mystirious]

I am certain that it will be Chibi

Scandal is indeed a great character, but even without her homosexuality, she'd still pretty much be the same character. Unlike Renee Montoya and Batwoman, Scandal's sexuality really doesn't define her as a character, it's just who she is. And yes, Scandal is outshined by Ragdoll. And dare I say she is also outshined by Catman, Deadshot, and Bane. But to me, the stars of Secret Six are Ragdoll and Catman.

As for Renee, yeah she was originally well written with her sexuality, but unlike Batwoman, she still had to share the spotlight with others. And then 52 completely ruined her. And nowadays instead of using her sexuality to enhance the character like they used to, they treat it as more of a crutch. I love 52, but I really can't stand how it completely ruined Montoya

I loved Renee in 52 her story was my favourite part

And Scandal and Jeanette are my favouritest characters in Secret Six personally

There are other LBGT characters that are written okay, but again DC either ****s them up like they did with Renee Montoya or they just get pushed to the side like with Scandal.

That is the main reason why Batwoman is important IMO. Because we have an LGBT character that so far hasn't been ****ed up, is written extremely well, and isn't pushed to the side despite being a part of the Batman mythos, where it is very easy to be pushed aside and forgotten.

Agreed

I am so overjoyed that there is finally a lgbt character getting a solo series. I think that is very important and it matters to me so much. It's something I have wanted for so long and i xare so much about this character and this series

I cannot wait for the ongoing comic book to come out

 

[Mr. Earle]

You liked Rene turning into the new Question? Meh...

 

[Mystirious]

I liked seeing her life get better

Things seemed so sad and hopeless for her when Gotham Central ended

I was pleased that she found a way to keep helping people after leaving the GCPD that she reconnected with Kate and overcame the self loathing she was suffering from at the end of Gotham Central

And i think she is neat as the Question

 

[Mystirious]

I liked seeing her life get better

Things seemed so sad and hopeless for her when Gotham Central ended

I was pleased that she found a way to keep helping people after leaving the GCPD that she reconnected with Kate and overcame the self loathing she was suffering from at the end of Gotham Central

And i think she is neat as the Question

 

[hippie_hunter]

They ruined her by being Questoya. Instead of making her move on within the GCPD, they kill Vic Sage, make her the Question, and treat her sexuality as something that should just be randomly mentioned from time to time like in the Batman/Detective Comics Annuals.

 

[Mystirious]

At least they are still using the character

And I dig Montoya as the Question was not liking the whole Mark of Cain plotline but I really her

Hope she appears in the Batwoman ongoing

 

[Mr. Earle]

I have barely read any comics with the original Question but if he was anything like the Question in JLU, then i'm sad they killed him off. His conspiracy theories were so fun!
Rather unfornunate considering the following he got through the animated series.

 

[Drz]

I don't doubt that the bells are connect to Bruce's quantum leap but I do not think Bruce is the Knight or even in the Falklands. Bruce knows something that we don't and it's probably has to do with the time jump, Leviathan, and Daedalus.

Also, Dr. Daedalus is another silver age character getting a revamp. He's some mad scientist who created a bunch of crime robots. Batman team ups with the Metal Men to take them down.

We'll see, but it's a good assumption on your side aswell! Did you by the way get a Flex Metallo vibe with the paper having the eye logo? I got this "we trapped him!" and him holding the paper as if they just made him fictional instead of real lol. Tho for Morrison popular fictional characters like Han Solo, Mickey Mouse and Batman are real in essence of our society.