Official Batman Titles thread 2.0 - - - - - - - Part 16

Buccelato and manapul may draw an amazing batjim though.

I'm interested in the truth storyline as well.
Me too. It seems Booch and Manapul are taking a more GCPD-oriented route with the next arc. If it's similar to Gotham Central I'd be quite happy.

Heck, I wouldn't mind if 'Tec becomes a GCPD book.
 
Major Convergence spoilers:

Convergence undoes Crisis, thus restoring all DC continuities as worlds within the multiverse. Didio says that these continuities are available to creators if there are stories to be told in them. Whether that ends up happening, who knows, but the fact that a creator could conceivably tell a story with pre-52 Batman makes me happier than I could possibly describe. The Batman I grew up reading still exists.
 
Wow, so they actually went full-on with that, huh? That's pretty cool. I've always felt like like the era [blackout]Pre-Infinite Crisis on Infinite Earth was interesting because of that possibility, and with them more or less doing that same thing with the way they're setting up separate canons for their movies and TV shows, it's cool to see the comics do that as well.[/blackout]
 
Didn't Multiversity already establish that?
 
No, Multiversity dealt within the 52 Worlds that were already established with the reboot.
 
Major Convergence spoilers:

Convergence undoes Crisis, thus restoring all DC continuities as worlds within the multiverse. Didio says that these continuities are available to creators if there are stories to be told in them. Whether that ends up happening, who knows, but the fact that a creator could conceivably tell a story with pre-52 Batman makes me happier than I could possibly describe. The Batman I grew up reading still exists.

I haven't noticed much change between Pre and Post New52 Batman but I'm also not the biggest fan. How do you think he's changed? Wonder Woman and Aquaman on the other hand, feel like whole different characters to me.
 
Hmm, so how do the events in Convergence effect the 52 worlds?
Are the previous continuities added in to some of the 'vacant earths' we saw in the guidebook?
 
That's very possible. Forgot about that in the guidebook.

[blackout]Or it could just be that they did away with the stupid finite limit to the multiverse and said it was endless, since it was anyway and everyone knows it. That's my hope, anyway[/blackout]
 
I say they go back to using Hypertime as an explanation for multiple universes. :o

That one Superboy story that used it was awesome.
 
Well...

Wasn't one of the points of Hypertime that worlds could bled into the any other at any time, though? Is that how it is now or are they more like separate worlds like Pre-Crisis?
 
Well...

Wasn't one of the points of Hypertime that worlds could bled into the any other at any time, though? Is that how it is now or are they more like separate worlds like Pre-Crisis?


It's kind of a merging of the 2.

Separate worlds in the sense that it's still Earth-1, Earth-2 etc. but also separate timelines that bleed into each other by vibrating at different frequencies on the same space.

In other words just how the clutter Earth from post-crisis went through a vibrational shift during Infinite Crisis and started a new but similar timeline by evolving it into New Earth; Flashpoint took that same Earth and evolved it into Earth-0 by once again altering it's present vibrational frequency.

Same with Earth-1 going from pre-crisis bronze age Earth-1 continuity to the OGN timeline that occupies it now. Or Earth-2 which is how Alan Scott and Jay Garrick are still there since they technically always where once the original Earth-2 was created during the silver age.

The thing is New 52 Jay and Alan are vibrating at different frequencies from Golden Age Alan and Jay but they're all still cohabiting the same space across different dimensions in the same space only divided by vibrational frequencies. So the same beings are bleeding across different timelines in different ways across the same space because they're all singularities.

Similar to how the New Gods are portrayed across the greater multiverse.

In the sense even though there is a base local 52 worlds in reality there are "Infinite Earths" because from those 52 worlds come infinite different branches of time to the point that there might technically even be more than one multiverse altogether. Just that the known multiverse is the one documented in Multiversity which is the New 52 Multiverse.
 
I haven't noticed much change between Pre and Post New52 Batman but I'm also not the biggest fan. How do you think he's changed? Wonder Woman and Aquaman on the other hand, feel like whole different characters to me.

Yeah, that's a a valid point of view. I will try to explain my own.

With Batman there is no single obvious change, but there's a confluence of smaller changes--many of them to characters besides Batman himself--that have the aggregate effect of changing who he is and how he fits in the universe.

For example, aging Dick Grayson up (he became Robin at sixteen now) while aging Batman down has affected the nature of their relationship. With the compression of the timeline it becomes difficult to see the familial relationship that Batman previously had with many of his team mates. Tim's banishment to Teen Titans means Batman has virtually no relationship with him at all.

Typically, Batman has also been written with a younger, less experienced attitude. This is particularly true in Snyder's material. While I actually approve of Batman being written in a more human manner (and I like the increased relevance of Bruce Wayne), writing Batman as being in his late twenties aggravates the disconnect between the character's youth and all the strings of his history they tried to keep together in the New 52.

A great example is the Batman written in Tomasi's Batman & Robin. He seems a completely different character from the one depicted by Snyder; older, more contemplative, fatherly--and the only version who seemed to give a damn for more than one issue after Damian died.

Which brings us to Damian. There's a reason he never appears in Snyder's batbook (or really anywhere outside of B&R). He doesn't fit. Snyder doesn't include him because his rash, younger Batman makes no sense as the father of a ten year old.

In this way, the difference between old Batman and new Batman can be understood as the difference between Snyder's Batman and Tomasi's Batman. One is young, brash, runs a little hotter and is generally more inclined to solve problems by the seat of his pants. The other is older, colder, more calculating, but also the patriarch of a family he's built around himself in a way that grounds his humanity.

Both fine interpretations, but certainly different characters in the details.
 
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What...? Did Capullo have a heart attack, I'm not super clear on what I'm suppose to be reading.
 
What...? Did Capullo have a heart attack, I'm not super clear on what I'm suppose to be reading.
Looks like that. It's probably because of that thing with DC putting back ads on the same page as the art...

https://***********/GregCapullo/status/604103960413278209
 
The ads on art pages is completely intolerable. Just another way of lowering story content while increasing ad revenue--and ruining the comics to boot.

If this becomes an ongoing thing, I'll switch to trades.
 
I only pick up one DC book. That's about to go down to 0 because of this.
 
DC trades usually take an eternity to release. I'll endure the ads as long as possible.
 
DC trades usually take an eternity to release. I'll endure the ads as long as possible.

This is very true. The moment a run of 1 - 5 or 1 - 6 issues of a MARVEL series is out, the very next month or so the trade is out. DC it's like I want to 6 months AT LEAST if not more and it's sad. It especially doesn't help there's a 6 month gap between hardcover and paperback.
 

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