Official Batman Titles thread 2.0 - Part 9

[TheCorpulent1]

He should've spanked his bottom yelling, "Good little boys don't murder people!"

 

[Spade]

Damien has killed before. He brought a decapitated head to the Batcave in the story Morrison introduced him in. We've also seen Damien as the Future Batman kill and repent for killing.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm surprised people aren't upset about this. Whenever I called Damian a killer before, people jumped down my throat and set up camp in my spleen with picket signs declaring Dick had straightened the little bastard out and he would never, ever, never kill again, ever.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I think this fitted in with Morrison's lighter Bruce, besides if he did his usual Batdick! response that would only have ****ed up things worse. What was he going to do? Send him to prison? That'd just have him forced back to his mother and no one wants that.

 

[Anubis]

Well, he coulda went all Marvel Man on him and took care of the problem with a little head squishing.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, lock him up in the Batcave. I mean, clearly he can't be trusted out in public in that Robin costume, unless Batman wants to officially condone killing and have Gordon turn on his ass in a heartbeat.

 

[Spade]

The context is different, I feel. Before, he killed a guy just to prove he was more hardcore than the many Robins. He was an unlikable nutcase. Here, he killed an assassin threatening retribution who Bruce himself almost killed, and felt considerable regret afterwards. Maybe it's a step back from his time with Dickman. But it's still a length away from the kid who was raised to be an unrepentant killer.

 

[Mystirious]

So....Damien kills a man and Bruce just shruggs?

Don't get me wrong.....I think it was the only thing they could do. But Bruce is so dead set against killing that I thought he might turn Damien over to the police.

Damien seems to be the exception to the rule he didn't mind him killing Otto Netz either

 

[Roose Bolton]

Who's gonna mourn that nazi bastard

 

[chamber-music]

Batman and Robin was great.

Damien has poor impulse control and issues but I think Bruce still believes his redeemable. Damien wants to be like Bruce ultimatley.

 

[Cain]

Damien has killed before. He brought a decapitated head to the Batcave in the story Morrison introduced him in. We've also seen Damien as the Future Batman kill and repent for killing.

He killed in Morrison's last Batman comic (Leviathan Strikes) too. Oh and Mysti about that Bruce was shocked and Morrison didn't address repercussions cause there were no pages left. I wouldn't be surprised to see that brought up by Morrison again this summer.

People are really missing the point of Bruce giving his son "a pass". It was just a way to reiterate that Batman HIMSELF has had the same feelings of "let me just end it by killing them" many times before. However he manages to fight off those urges and strive for some type of moral code to abide by which is much harder but doesn't drag his soul to hell like being an intentional killer eventually would.

Damian is truly now learning that because his father is someone who's also been there and understands that unlike say Dick Grayson. Like Bruce said "you're as much my son as you're your mothers" that was in reference to his killer instinct.

It's a darkness Bruce has dealt with battling his whole career as Batman and he wants to help his son understand how to take on that battle on his own.Hence the kid saying "don't give up on me father" and Batman telling him that he never will.

He understands that the kid is still 10 and grew up with assassins. He's not going to shake off his killer instinct over night no matter how much he's around the bat fam. It's something Bruce has to deal with himself when it comes to his son.

 

[Cain]

The context is different, I feel. Before, he killed a guy just to prove he was more hardcore than the many Robins. He was an unlikable nutcase. Here, he killed an assassin threatening retribution who Bruce himself almost killed, and felt considerable regret afterwards. Maybe it's a step back from his time with Dickman. But it's still a length away from the kid who was raised to be an unrepentant killer.

The fact that he displayed regret clearly shows that his progress in B&R's previous volume has not been forgotten. The fact that he felt remorse just reinforced his progress as a person in that run so it's not a step back.

 

[Cain]

It was a nice touch by Gleason to show Bruce looking at Jason's costume when he brought Damian to the cave BTW. Shows how desperate and afraid Bruce is of ever putting a Robin in harm's way to the point of it costing them their life again. That's the one nightmare that the Batman has it's the one thing he's truly afraid of and it conveyed that very well.

 

[Naked Shia]

It was great, because it shows even if Damian has evolved since he was introduced, he still has a lot to learn and he still has to fight his demons.

 

[Mystirious]

Well, he coulda went all Marvel Man on him and took care of the problem with a little head squishing.

Not all problems can be solved by head squishing 'Nubsy

 

[Shazam]

Yeah, lock him up in the Batcave. I mean, clearly he can't be trusted out in public in that Robin costume, unless Batman wants to officially condone killing and have Gordon turn on his ass in a heartbeat.

What if Gordon finds out?? Good point....

They left the wreckage burning in the harbor. The police are gonna investigate. What if Nobody had surveilance cameras on the ship that got all of this on video???

A future plot maybe???

 

[Shazam]

The fact that he displayed regret clearly shows that his progress in B&R's previous volume has not been forgotten. The fact that he felt remorse just reinforced his progress as a person in that run so it's not a step back.

Notice how Bruce never said "I love you"? He was always at the edge....but never goes there.

 

[CConn]

It's like he's playing a game of just the tip.

 

[Anubis]

Not all problems can be solved by head squishing 'Nubsy

Actually, 99.5% of all problems can be solved by head squishing.

 

[Czar Colossus]

Great issue; I'm really glad that the Bruce/Damian relationship remained intact for New 52. B&R is the best Batman title IMO. Great job showing Damian's inner conflict and a father and son's devotion and love for each other.
What I like most is that when I read this title (as well as the Green Lantern title and Aquaman) I don't feel like I'm necessarily reading New 52, but the previous DCU (which I prefer).
If they did not screw with Superman, Justice League and now Captain Marvel so much, I probably wouldn't have such a problem with this new stuff.

 

[Mystirious]

I really hope that Alyssia in Batgirl is going to be okay now that that sick freak James Gordon Jr is after

And i hope Batgirl kicks that jerks teeth in. James Jr is a villain i feel only hate for like Dr Light

Watching him getting beaten to a pulp by his bad ass sister will make me happy

Actually, 99.5% of all problems can be solved by head squishing.

True

But that does mean that 0.5% can't 'Nubs

 

[Czar Colossus]

Actually, 99.5% of all problems can be solved by head squishing.

.......just ask Ultimate Colossus!

 

[Mystirious]

.......just ask Ultimate Colossus!

He is pretty

He took down Magneto

 

[X Knight]

so any word on Cassandra Cain?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

He killed in Morrison's last Batman comic (Leviathan Strikes) too. Oh and Mysti about that Bruce was shocked and Morrison didn't address repercussions cause there were no pages left. I wouldn't be surprised to see that brought up by Morrison again this summer.

People are really missing the point of Bruce giving his son "a pass". It was just a way to reiterate that Batman HIMSELF has had the same feelings of "let me just end it by killing them" many times before. However he manages to fight off those urges and strive for some type of moral code to abide by which is much harder but doesn't drag his soul to hell like being an intentional killer eventually would.

Damian is truly now learning that because his father is someone who's also been there and understands that unlike say Dick Grayson. Like Bruce said "you're as much my son as you're your mothers" that was in reference to his killer instinct.

It's a darkness Bruce has dealt with battling his whole career as Batman and he wants to help his son understand how to take on that battle on his own.Hence the kid saying "don't give up on me father" and Batman telling him that he never will.

He understands that the kid is still 10 and grew up with assassins. He's not going to shake off his killer instinct over night no matter how much he's around the bat fam. It's something Bruce has to deal with himself when it comes to his son.

Which means a slap on the wrist (if even that) and they go along like nothing happened? Man, I miss the days when Bruce straight-up booted people out of the Bat-family if they took a life under his watch. This morally ambiguous version feels like it's compromising a lot of what drew me to the character in the first place.

Maybe that's the intent with the Bruce/Damian dynamic, though. Dick brought Damian out of the mire of his assassin upbringing and elevated him to the moral high ground. Now it seems Damian is dragging Bruce down to his level by forcing him to condone these little "oops, I killed that guy, my bad!" incidents instead.