The Avengers Official Clark Gregg/Agent Coulson Support Thread

[Majik1387]

He's not gonna be Vision.

 

[Dark Raven]

I just got back from another viewing, and I am changing my tune a bit. It is very clear that he does stop breathing, but its also very clear that they are bringing him back as the vision. They forced 3 seperate mentions that he was dating a cellist in washington (the scarlet witch) and fury makes his one good eye remark after he dies and stark goes on the rant about him taking on loki without any powers (the powers that be already made mention that it would be stark, not ultron who builds the Vision in this reality. In any case its been often mentioned that they signed gregg on to multiple more films so he will be back in some form or other.....

Also, another piece of evidence in support of Vision is that Coulson looked a bit red in the face when he was stabbed, just like Vision has a red face.

 

[RockSP]

Fury didn't call for the paramedics on screen. The medics did show up, but we never heard Fury call for them. In fact, the only thing he said was that they were already there when another agent said he would send them after Fury announced that Phil Coulson was "down".


If the Coulson who died was an LMD, then Fury would allow medics to work on the body in order to keep up the charade. How else could he use Phil's "death" to motivate the team if he didn't carry forward the pretense by having medics work on the body and "call it" when Coulson "died"?

How would Fury know that Loki would stab the LMD? Why would Fury put himself and all the other SHIELD agents at risk but have an LMD of Coulson? The dude is dead.

 

[IronGirl299]

How would Fury know that Loki would stab the LMD? Why would Fury put himself and all the other SHIELD agents at risk but have an LMD of Coulson? The dude is dead.

True. Unless Coulson was already on another undercover mission and is therefore unavailable, but why would he leave his precious Avengers?

 

[Dark Raven]

Does an LMD display emotion? Isn't it just there as a decoy (ie Life Model Decoy) to fool others who are specifically trying to target that person? Why would this LMD of Coulson be displaying glee and enthusiasm about something like Cap signing his trading cards? Wouldn't an LMD do everything very efficiently and stick to the script, since it would be within his programming? It wouldn't deviate and begin pursuing what could be seen as trivialities.

An LMD should be there to temporarily replace an important figure when there is the threat of imminent danger - eg an assassination attempt. That's why Stark used them sometimes in the comics, when he knew people were after him. What reason would there be for an LMD of Coulson of all people, when other SHIELD agents are equally important, if not more so? It's not just there to show up if someone goes on a mission. That's not the function of an LMD.

 

[Franklin Richards]

An LMD wouldn't be a very good tool if they just answered monotonically. I'm sure personality algorithms are included.

And I believe you're downplaying Coulson's importance. Fury referred to him as "his one good eye". Coulson is Fury's Agent-at-Large. If he wasn't so important then why was he at the frontline of every Fury Op? He was trusted with the Destroyer Gun.

There is no field agent more important than Coulson.

 

[Joker's Lackey]

I'm in the Coulson is Vison camp. It makes sense to me.

 

[Drummerdude7]

Seriously though guys. The man is dead.

 

[shieldmaiden]

Because he will tase you and watch Super Nanny while you drool on the carpet.

Well, that was when I had my first girly nerd ***** for Coulson...

IMHO, the character was totally heroic. Just not SUPER heroic. Doesn't diminish the character in the slightest. Regular guys against super threats are awesome. Period.

Loved how even when he was gut-stabbed, he was able to keep Loki talking long enough to nail him with that Phase 2 weapon.

I like the actor, too.

 

[Nave 'Torment']

i love how coulson corresponds to/reflects the avengers in some capacity:

black widow: fellow agent of shield
captain america: sacrifices himself for the greater good
iron man: the guy who convinces him to stop being selfish and do something for the team
thor: pretty much a "Balder" esque figure: beloved, vulnerable, heroic, killed by Loki, prompting him to take action, etc.

 

[cherokeesam]

An LMD wouldn't be a very good tool if they just answered monotonically. I'm sure personality algorithms are included.

And I believe you're downplaying Coulson's importance. Fury referred to him as "his one good eye". Coulson is Fury's Agent-at-Large. If he wasn't so important then why was he at the frontline of every Fury Op? He was trusted with the Destroyer Gun.

There is no field agent more important than Coulson.

LMDs are fairly sophisticated androids; they walk and talk and look just like their human counterparts. The only way you can really ID them is by damaging them or using EMP or electricity or something similar that shorts out its wiring. And yes, if a big honking spear is jabbed through the middle of one, it smokes and sparks and explodes in the same way you'd expect a Terminator or Commander Data or C3PO to respond.

As for Coulson being "assigned" an LMD: no frickin' way. LMDs are rare and expensive as hell, and Nick Fury is the only one who extensively used them. The BOSS gets an LMD; his *agents* don't.

There is absolutely no chance in hell that Coulson was an LMD, or that he even *had* an LMD.

 

[Xeno]

LMDs are fairly sophisticated androids; they walk and talk and look just like their human counterparts. The only way you can really ID them is by damaging them or using EMP or electricity or something similar that shorts out its wiring. And yes, if a big honking spear is jabbed through the middle of one, it smokes and sparks and explodes in the same way you'd expect a Terminator or Commander Data or C3PO to respond.

As for Coulson being "assigned" an LMD: no frickin' way. LMDs are rare and expensive as hell, and Nick Fury is the only one who extensively used them. The BOSS gets an LMD; his *agents* don't.

There is absolutely no chance in hell that Coulson was an LMD, or that he even *had* an LMD.

I love it when people say "never".


The films and the comics handle things in different ways. While the LMDs in the comics (and in EMH) give up the ghost with sprockets and gears sproinging out when they are damaged, it's kind of doubtful that they would look that cheap in the films. After all, the purpose is to completely fool an enemy; it would be impossible to fool anyone if the androids look so obviously mechanical when they are damaged. Therefore it would not be surprising if LMDs, when they appear in the MCU, look and act like human beings right down to bleeding and feigning injuries and even death.

 

[Majik1387]

According to your sig, Coulson is dead, cuz he's not a real hero.

 

[Big and green]

I just think he's too big of a character to not be brought back in some way. His death has been felt through the MCU, and the fan base. For as many people that wish he's stays dead there are just as many that wishes he comes back in some way or form, whether it be LMD, or the Vision. He's important to the movie-verse. I personally started out thinking he's gonna be a LMD, but I've really come around to the vision theory. This movie really showed how he effected both Tony and Pepper's lives, he's just a little to important to the overall story now. If they were gonna get rid of him for good it should have been in IM2 or have him be a casualty of the Destroyer in Thor.

 

[Majik1387]

He was a better casualty to Loki than to the Destroyer. Coulson is not too big of a role/character at all. He's like the movie version of Squirrel Girl.

 

[Spider-Vader]

I nearly cried when he died...

I'm not gonna lie, I felt some tears in the back of my eyes when that scene happened.

Coulson does live.....outside of the MCU.

I don't get why people keep ignoring this, do they not read the comics? Coulson will live on for a while it seems.

 

[ericadawn16]

Did anyone else watch Ultimate Spider-man on Sunday? He was great. It even had a Ferris Bueller joke which is even funnier when you consider Gregg's wife.

 

[cherokeesam]

I love it when people say "never".


The films and the comics handle things in different ways. While the LMDs in the comics (and in EMH) give up the ghost with sprockets and gears sproinging out when they are damaged, it's kind of doubtful that they would look that cheap in the films. After all, the purpose is to completely fool an enemy; it would be impossible to fool anyone if the androids look so obviously mechanical when they are damaged. Therefore it would not be surprising if LMDs, when they appear in the MCU, look and act like human beings right down to bleeding and feigning injuries and even death.

If you have androids that have THAT advanced technology, you might as well go ahead and say the LMDs can fly and shoot laser beams out their ass, too. You're talking tech that goes way, way beyond anything that's been shown so far --- even the Helicarrier.

 

[Big and green]

He was a better casualty to Loki than to the Destroyer. Coulson is not too big of a role/character at all. He's like the movie version of Squirrel Girl.

Haha hater.

 

[IronGirl299]

He was a better casualty to Loki than to the Destroyer. Coulson is not too big of a role/character at all. He's like the movie version of Squirrel Girl.

There's a movie version of Squirrel Girl? O_O

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

He's like the movie version of Squirrel Girl.

I agree. He's awesome!

 

[Xeno]

If you have androids that have THAT advanced technology, you might as well go ahead and say the LMDs can fly and shoot laser beams out their ass, too. You're talking tech that goes way, way beyond anything that's been shown so far --- even the Helicarrier.

In your previous post, you said, "LMDs are fairly sophisticated androids; they walk and talk and look just like their human counterparts....LMDs are rare and expensive as hell...." Well, if they are that sophisticated and expensive, they should be able to shed fake blood and play a convincing death scene when needed. You have already acknowledged that they are programmed to mimic the personality of the person they double to the extent that even their friends and colleagues can't tell the android from the human being. They could definitely be programmed to feign agony and death throes when damaged severely enough to cause death in a human. That's not like flying, that is more along the lines of being a better puppet.

 

[Drummerdude7]

Lol xeno, no disrespect, but I really think you're reaching here.

You're entitled to your opinion and I certainly respect it, but there just really isn't enough justification for dead Coulson being an LMD. As an audience member, I love the character, but if it turned out to be a grand LMD deception, I'd be a little peeved. The whole undercurrent of the Avengers was his death spurring them to action. Bringing him back negates the whole thing. Of course, there is room to bring him back IF THEY WANT, or introduce an android/robot in his likeness, or whatever else. But as for real Coulson, they sold his death too well to have me believe that he's anything other than dead as a doornail.

 

[DJ Kornphlake]

I'm really starting to hate Stark having that line about LMDs in this movie...

 

[Xeno]

I'm really starting to hate Stark having that line about LMDs in this movie...

That was a great line and it may have been in there for a reason.