The Dark Knight Official Critics Reviews of TDK

[Rorschach]

ok so two-face dies

i thought he would be the main villain for the 3e and final movie.

Spoiler that ****

 

[The Joker]

First off yes Scarecrow and Ra both wasted in Begins. Scarecrow was I'd even say terrible in Begins.

And you think this because the stories used for them were not their first stories from the comic books? Or is it just that you didn't like how much screen time they got?

Rachel Dawes and the training are both Nolan's means of making the film make sense, did I ever say that made them valid no.

You said:

Its like someone else coming up with a Batman interpretation before Batman 1 and they follow that instead of the original its like WTF.

You're implying that any interpretation other than the original is wrong.

Killing other bad guys is NOT as terrible as BLOWING UP A GODDAMN HOSPITAL FULL OF INNOCENT CIVILIANS LOL like seriously.

Who said it was? I was listing examples of his reckless murderous behaviour, which is a big trait of the character.

Is trying to kill all of Gotham as bad as blowing up a hospital? Yes. In fact, it's worse.

Another thing is Batman Begins is not THE FIRST major Batman film. Batman 89 was

Actually, the 1966 Adam West Batman movie was

so in order to properly introduce the character to the masses its essential to follow the original pattern.

Why?

What percentage of the audience are comic book fans, do you think? And second, Batman '89 did for all intents purposes follow it. It just changed the killer from Joe Chill to the Joker.

I didn't entirely agree with the change, but I can see why it was done to make a personal conflict between hero and villain.

You know how many people think Joker REALLY killed Batman's parents because of Batman89 like seriously.

No, how many? I can't imagine it's many. Especially after Batman Begins.

Nolan's film almost get this bit of leeway because he is trying to create his own kind of world taking bits and pieces of comics and putting his own twist

And Burton wasn't? Or Schumacher? They all did that. They all took stuff from the comics and put their own spin on it.

He is taking certain aspects that are overly unbelievable and making them believable.

Like what? What happened in Begins that seemed realistic to you? The ninjas in the mountains plotting to balance the world with fear toxin and microwave emitters? A millionaire playboy belting around Gotham in a black tank like vehicle, and nobody from Wayne Enterprises realizing it was their vehicle?

I think in my eyes if you're doing the first film stick to the origins period.

Then both movies must have failed in your eyes, because they both strayed from the origins in different aspects.

 

[turtlefocker]

I'm sorry, but that is absurd logic. You don't have to follow the very first story a character appeared in to get it right. Nolan is not following Two Face's first appearance back in the 40's comics. Looks like he's using The Long Halloween. Does that mean he's going to screw it up?

He didn't follow Ra's Al Ghul's first story. Or Scarecrow's. Did he screw them up in Begins?



Nolan did that. Batman was a blatant killer back those days. Batman never had a childhood friend named Rachel Dawes. Batman was never trained by Ra's Al Ghul. Gotham City was not full of corruption back then [Nolan took that from Batman Year One in the 80's].

Does this make his version less valid? By your logic it does because it's not following the first stories in the Batman series.



No, he was murdering his fellow gangsters by shooting them repeatedly, electrocuting them to death, throwing poisoned pens in their necks, shooting up Cops, killing his henchmen in a temper, shooting Bruce Wayne, and trying to mass murder all of Gotham etc.

Pure Joker. Especially 70's/80's style. Your complaint is that you wanted it even darker. That's fine. But that does not make Jack's version of the character any less valid.

Excellent Post

 

[Nightmare]

BS on Two- Face dying. I heard what happens and he doesnt exactly "Die"

 

[CaptainBeaver91]

I doubt there will be any negative reviews. From everything I've read, and I've read all of it people...every review--so far, how can anybody hate this film?

 

[Solidus]

Spoiler

Let me state this clearly: Two-Face dies. It happens on-camera. We see his body. We see his funeral. And his death changes everything for Gotham and Batman, and the end of the film... in fact, the TITLE of the film... hinges on Harvey's death and the subsequent cover-up of the truth about it.

BTW Mori, well written review.

I can't wait to see it July 18th. To bad I can't see it on IMAX.

 

[MiniBond]

Seriously...do we have past examples of films which have been THAT critically acclaimed ??????????

 

[Agentsands77]

Spoiler

BS on Two- Face dying. I heard what happens and he doesnt exactly "Die"

Then you're mistaken. It's quite obvious what happens at this point, thanks to all the reviewers, including the ever-trustworthy Moriarty.

 

[Bond]

Once the film is out, I think the mods should delete all posts in this thread that do not contain links to reviews. Just keep it going for now since there is good discussion going on.

 

[The Joker]

Spoiler

Let me state this clearly: Two-Face dies. It happens on-camera. We see his body. We see his funeral. And his death changes everything for Gotham and Batman, and the end of the film... in fact, the TITLE of the film... hinges on Harvey's death and the subsequent cover-up of the truth about it.

Well, there you have it. No more speculation over that aspect of the movie.

Thanks Moriarty!

 

[Street Vendor]

I knew this film was going to be good, but I never thought we'd see reviews like this. I can't wait for the 18th.

 

[OSM]

BS on Two- Face dying. I heard what happens and he doesnt exactly "Die"

Oh thank god. I was a little upset by the rumors when I heard about his death. I could've sworn Nolan said once "if they didn't die in the comics, they won't die in the movie."

Don't spoil to me what REALLY happens, but is there a very distinct chance now he can be in the third film?

 

[Agentsands77]

Well, there you have it. No more speculation over that aspect of the movie.

Thanks Moriarty!

Yes, indeed. It's quite good to see that cleared up.

 

[starscream]

omg i have to wait till july 19 befor it plays in imax here

 

[turtlefocker]

Spoiler

Let me state this clearly: Two-Face dies. It happens on-camera. We see his body. We see his funeral. And his death changes everything for Gotham and Batman, and the end of the film... in fact, the TITLE of the film... hinges on Harvey's death and the subsequent cover-up of the truth about it.

Thanks Moriarty!

Your review was absolutely amazing by the way. Convinced me to see Hellboy II even though I disliked the first one.

 

[Agentsands77]

Don't spoil to me what REALLY happens, but is there a very distinct chance now he can be in the third film?

No.

 

[Nightmare]

No chance Mori is lying?

 

[Sharkboy]

Hmm...my own theory about Mori's review of Batman Returns is...he's such a good and thoughful reviewer that he saw stuff in that film that I don't believe was actually there.

But that's art, isn't it? We see things differently.

Oh it's definatly there, I know because I see it too. Ever read something where someone else puts your exact thoughts about something into words. Thats how I felt about Batman Returns, I've always tried to tell people how it was my favourite bat movie, and most laughed at me for it.

 

[sasquatchs]

Oh it's definatly there, I know because I see it too. Ever read something where someone else puts your exact thoughts about something into words. Thats how I felt about Batman Returns, I've always tried to tell people how it was my favourite bat movie, and most laughed at me for it.

Does it depress you? How alone you really are... t:

Nah, there are alot of us in this club, although maybe not in the TDK spoiler forum. Hopefully TDK has a similarly coherent vision

 

[Agentsands77]

No chance Mori is lying?

Why would he lie? The guy's an honest guy (one of the best internet geeks we've got), and "Let me state this clearly" doesn't exactly lead anyone to think it's B.S. No, Mori's not lying, and after Devin's confirmation and the three AICN reviewer's statements, I think we can close the book on this one.

 

[SuperBatman]

Guys just get over it we got to accept the fact that

Spoiler

Two-Face Dies

 

[Venom 1988]

Spoiler

Let me state this clearly: Two-Face dies. It happens on-camera. We see his body. We see his funeral. And his death changes everything for Gotham and Batman, and the end of the film... in fact, the TITLE of the film... hinges on Harvey's death and the subsequent cover-up of the truth about it.

I know he dies

I'm saying I want to prove it to some people

 

[comicman]

I loved Batman Begins, but I wondered how Nolan was going to top it. Seems he's done that, and then some.

Can't believe this film is getting so many good reviews

Still, on the sucky side, I have to wait an extra week before I can see it (living in the UK it gets released on the 25th of July here )

 

[SuperBatman]

I know he dies

I'm saying I want to prove it to some people

What are you actually a suspecting to get a Review where they say it in the Review because to me the only way you will be able to prove it is when they see the movie because a lot of people usually don't believe what they hear in Reviews.

 

[Venom 1988]

yea i dunno

*heads explodes*