Iron Man 3 Official Iron Man 3 rate/review thread. - Part 1

[Webfoot Hero]

Kind of glad I was absent from this forum for most of the past 2 days as it looked like it got pretty heated in here. Plus, it looked like a CIA document that was completely redacted with how much text blackout was present.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Feel free to add your own theories.

US critics have seen these movies before, in abundance.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

US critics have seen these movies before, in abundance.

And many don't seem to like or enjoy them as much as they do smaller studio or independent movies.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

And many don't seem to like or enjoy them as much as they do smaller studio or independent movies.

Depends on the movie. It is easy to say Indie movies get more praise, but that would be ignoring the vast majority that get no attention or killed the critics.

The Indie movies that come to the forefront are usually pretty great.

 

[Rocanrol]

Because they are great they come to the forefront. There is a graveyard full of indie movies.

 

[Tony Stark]

Spider Man was always going to come back quickly though, regardless of whether it was film 4 or a reboot. If you want to be technical you can say it killed the Raimi-verse SM, but even then that's debatable given SM4 was green lit. He was comparing it to Batman and Robin which was absurd.

I agree with you there, Spider-man 3 wasn't Batman and Robin bad, however it's generally frowned upon by the fan base.

 

[jaqua99]

I agree with you there, Spider-man 3 wasn't Batman and Robin bad, however it's generally frowned upon by the fan base.

Were you able to build this..in a cave, with a box of scraps???

 

[Webfoot Hero]

Depends on the movie. It is easy to say Indie movies get more praise, but that would be ignoring the vast majority that get no attention or killed the critics.

The Indie movies that come to the forefront are usually pretty great.

But you get from reading their IM3 reviews and looking at what else they've rated, they'd rather go searching through the smaller films to find a gem than sit through another big studio blockbuster and actually review it like they cared.

 

[flickchick85]

Is something about the film maybe hitting a little too close to home for Americans? That's the only thing I can think of to explain the disconnect.

Honestly, the same exact thing happened with Thor, as I pointed out over a week ago and predicted would happen here. It's just the American critics' general attitudes toward the MCU. They're much more cynical toward it. Avengers overcame that cynicism somewhat, but if you read the content of their reviews for that one, it's still quite present.

 

[Tony Stark]

After looking at the RT reviews, it seems like those I expected to not like it are the ones giving the bad reviews. Seems many were expecting TA-level action and scale and are really dinging the movie for or are arthouse-type film reviewers that were not the target market anyways. Still, the amount of good reviews is still overwhelming the bad ones (6.5 pages of good ones versus 1.5 of bad ones) with still a lot to go.

That's kinda what I felt too. Like Joe Morgenstern. He hated Avengers, so why would he like this movie? I've said it before, Peter Travers was the only one that threw me for a loop.

My "barometer critic" was Richard Roeper and he called it one of the best films in what he called the golden age of Superhero movies. That's good enough for me. I usually agree with him, with the exception of Captain America.

What I appreciate about Richard is he is a fanboy and read a lot of comics, and he wants to see the movies done well. If he gives a bad rating, it's because he thinks the movie failed, and not like some other critics who are sick of the genre and just want to bash it.

I'm of the opinion that the best critics are the ones that base the movie on the merits and don't have some grudge held against certain films. And before anyone accuses me of cherry picking reviews, we all know there are certain critics who carte blanche will bash a movie.

at the end of the day, this movie got mostly positive reviews, and the average review score is higher than Iron Man 2.

 

[DyeLorean]

I hate when reviewers use other movies to compare. It so unprofessional. Just judge the movie itself for what it is! Not for what it could've been or how you thought it was going to be in relation with other movies.
Ugh. And some of them call themselves 'film critics'.

 

[Tony Stark]

Were you able to build this..in a cave, with a box of scraps???

You know it! Now I'm going to solve the energy crisis!

 

[Webfoot Hero]

I hate when reviewers use other movies to compare. It so unprofessional. Just judge the movie itself for what it is! Not for what it could've been or how you thought it was going to be in relation with other movies.
Ugh. And some of them call themselves 'film critics'.

That is what gets me too. They bring in baggage or high expectations from other films and judge it by those standards. There are still a few critics who can easily see a singular movie for what it is and give a very unbiased reasoning for or against that movie. Seems like RT counts any critic with access to the internet in their ratings, which to me really waters down their rankings.

 

[ThePhantasm]

I'll be honest with you guys... when it comes to superhero movies like IM3 or fantasy movies like the Hobbit, I take the tomatometer with a huuuge grain of salt. There have been quite a few times when I've disagreed with the majority of critics regarding a film in these genres.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

But you get from reading their IM3 reviews and looking at what else they've rated, they'd rather go searching through the smaller films to find a gem than sit through another big studio blockbuster and actually review it like they cared.

So how do you explain the big studio blockbusters that get tons of love?

Stop trying to rationalize the RT score. It just comes off as desperate.

I'll be honest with you guys... when it comes to superhero movies like IM3 or fantasy movies like the Hobbit, I take the tomatometer with a huuuge grain of salt. There have been quite a few times when I've disagreed with the majority of critics regarding a film in these genres.

There have been plenty of times I have disagreed with the critics. But the real question is why you disagree with the critics. Is it because of how good the movie is in your eyes or because you are desperate for approval?

 

[Tony Stark]

So how do you explain the big studio blockbusters that get tons of love?

Stop trying to rationalize the RT score. It just comes off as desperate.

You need to stop being so critical of other people's reactions to RT. This is a review thread, so it's only natural to talk about it.

I don't live and die by RT, but no doubt there's some movies that have higher scores than the public perception, and lower scores than the public perception.

Everyone has biases, and it permeates everything we say and do. There are people who will like this movie despite anything you or I say or do. There are people that love Green Lantern. I think it sucks, but that's beside the point. People react differently.

 

[ThePhantasm]

There have been plenty of times I have disagreed with the critics. But the real question is why you disagree with the critics. Is it because of how good the movie is in your eyes or because you are desperate for approval?

That's correct - there's a difference between disagreeing with the critics and trying to rationalize their reviews in a way that makes them seem like they really agree with you.

 

[Flemm]

Honestly, the same exact thing happened with Thor, as I pointed out over a week ago and predicted would happen here. It's just the American critics' general attitudes toward the MCU. They're much more cynical toward it. Avengers overcame that cynicism somewhat, but if you read the content of their reviews for that one, it's still quite present.

Agreed. There's nothing that odd or surprising about it.

As fans, we just see these movies differently than critics tend to see them. We are invested already in a way that many of them are not. They've seen a lot of these movies. They're pretty similar to one another. IM3 is a good flick of its kind and I think the reviews will show that overall, but it's not some sort of masterpiece either.

 

[jmc]

Look, overall the percentage of the RT score is not really as important as the average rating. IM3 is sitting on a 7/10 average, which is probably a fair score for the film given it's a bit divisive.

 

[Lencho01]

Just saw it. I liked it a lot.

 

[Slushy]

After another threequel buzzkill with this, I'm more excited for The Wolverine now!

I hate when reviewers use other movies to compare. It so unprofessional. Just judge the movie itself for what it is! Not for what it could've been or how you thought it was going to be in relation with other movies.
Ugh. And some of them call themselves 'film critics'.

Most comparisons tend to be accurate though.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

You need to stop being so critical of other people's reactions to RT. This is a review thread, so it's only natural to talk about it.

I don't live and die by RT, but no doubt there's some movies that have higher scores than the public perception, and lower scores than the public perception.

Everyone has biases, and it permeates everything we say and do. There are people who will like this movie despite anything you or I say or do. There are people that love Green Lantern. I think it sucks, but that's beside the point. People react differently.

If you are allowed to critical about RT, how am I not allowed to be critical of that reaction?

You are just proving my point. IM3 is not your child. It needs no protection. People feel differently. But to rag on people for their opinion or to attempt to rationalize it just comes off as desperate and petty.

That's correct - there's a difference between disagreeing with the critics and trying to rationalize their reviews in a way that makes them seem like they really agree with you.

Exactly.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

If you are allowed to critical about RT, how am I not allowed to critical of the reaction?

You are just proving my point. IM3 is not your child. It needs no protection. People feel differently. But to rag on people for their opinion or to attempt to rationalize it just comes off as desperate and petty.



Exactly.

Okay, so that means I can't have an opinion on another person's opinion while you're having an opinion on my opinion? Seems like a bit of a double standard there. In no way was I being desperate or rationalizing anything. I was just stating my observation of what I've seen of the RT score and the reviews inputted so far for that score. I am allowed to have an opinion on that or is that not allowed if it doesn't agree with your views?

 

[Visceral]

http://my.spill.com/profiles/blogs/iron-man-3-audio-review

They liked it even with its imperfections. I am curious tho.

Spoiler

What is the plot hole at the end?

 

[Webfoot Hero]

http://my.spill.com/profiles/blogs/iron-man-3-audio-review

They liked it even with its imperfections. I am curious tho.

Spoiler

What is the plot hole at the end?

Spoiler

The hole in Tony's chest