Official JLA discussion thread - Part 3

[HighFivingMF]

But without the fun and humour

Green Arrow saying he helped, then pointing out the single arrow in Amazo's ass was awesome thank you very much.

 

[Czar Colossus]

New 52 Green Arrow is inferior by far to the previous version.

 

[Hush]

Just like everything else in this new universe to you, we get it. Jeez.

 

[RockSP]

So...is Jonn Jonzz a villain now???

http://insidepulse.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/JusticeLeague_8_022.jpg

Just another obligatory Hero versus Hero fight.

J'onn fans should be glad he was presented as a threat to the entire League, at least.

 

[Anubis]

Whatever man.

 

[Czar Colossus]

Just like everything else in this new universe to you, we get it. Jeez.

Not Aquaman or Batman!

 

[RoughNTumble]

well they did pretty much gut the female bat characters

 

[CConn]

Not Aquaman or Batman!

And you're even wrong about half of that statement too.

 

[Mystirious]

well they did pretty much gut the female bat characters

Batwoman and the Birds of Prey are still amazing

 

[TheCorpulent1]

J'onn fans should be glad he was presented as a threat to the entire League, at least.

Totally. It's awesome that he still has the powers he's always had, only without any of the personality that made him a great character before. DC, in its infinite wisdom, has made me so happy by deigning to bless me with this one page of J'onn fighting the entire Justice League alongside his being a one-note, cold-hearted dick in every comic since the relaunch.

 

[Hush]

Totally. It's awesome that he still has the powers he's always had, only without any of the personality that made him a great character before. DC, in its infinite wisdom, has made me so happy by deigning to bless me with this one page of J'onn fighting the entire Justice League alongside his being a one-note, cold-hearted dick in every comic since the relaunch.

Really he's been a dick longer than that, way back when they gave him his own series and he wore that bondage leather suit. So that's what 5-6 years ago now?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

He got better for Brightest Day. He seemed to be a little glum but more or less his old self in that.

 

[HighFivingMF]

He'll hug and make out with the Justice League eventually.

I meant "make up," but the typo stays.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Hey, he's a modern, gender-swappable kind of guy.

 

[HighFivingMF]

Hal: J'onn! Stop trying to make out with me!
MM: It's Martian custom!
Hal: Is not!
MM: Still! C'mere!

 

[Mystirious]

He'll shapeshift into Hal Jordan to make out with Hal

And shapeshift into JUSTICE to make out with Batman

Hey, he's a modern, gender-swappable kind of guy.

As long as he takes the form of a hawt lady to make out with Wonder Woman I'll read this

The Martian Manhunter Make out Special

 

[Czar Colossus]

And you're even wrong about half of that statement too.

I'm wrong that I don't think that the current versions of Aquaman and Batman are inferior?

 

[CConn]

Yes.

 

[RockSP]

Totally. It's awesome that he still has the powers he's always had, only without any of the personality that made him a great character before. DC, in its infinite wisdom, has made me so happy by deigning to bless me with this one page of J'onn fighting the entire Justice League alongside his being a one-note, cold-hearted dick in every comic since the relaunch.

Cool. Glad you agree.

 

[Czar Colossus]

Yes.

Alright, so from now on you tell me what I think.

 

[shallbecomeabat]

Just finished reading the Justice League hc Origin. I'm almost sad to say... I really did not like it. The drawings were cool, but not Lee's best and what the hell happened with Johns' writing?
Nobody took Batman seriously and it didn't even mattered to him at all. Everybody was doing cheesy one liners and the overall humor (especially Hal) is exactly like I envisioned the Jack Black/Green lantern movie they had planned. It almost seemed like they had to make so many jokes about the League and its members to "hip it up" for the new readers... like they were embarrassed that this is actually a *GASP* superhero comic. How can the guy who wrote a great GL run for years, now write just that character that horribly?
What a let down. I'm really worried now about the quality of the relaunch, since its the first thing I read from the new 52. I really hope this is not the new way those characters behave now. I also ordered the first batman, Tec', Wonder Woman, Animal Man and Green Lantern collections of the new 52.
Really hope it doesn't stay that way.

How did you guys liked the first arc?

 

[hippie_hunter]

I find the problems with the first arc almost entirely on Jim Lee. Johns' writing style is designed to really showcase the artists he works with. The artist that Johns works with is just as important as the writer. While Jim Lee is a beautiful artist, his storytelling sucks. I think that if Johns reigned in Lee, Justice League would be a much better comic because I actually really liked Justice League #7 with Gene Ha. And if they didn't totally **** up the Martian Manhunter, I would have liked issue #8 with Carlos D'Anda.

 

[Motown Marvel]

I also ordered the first batman, Tec', Wonder Woman, Animal Man and Green Lantern collections of the new 52.
Really hope it doesn't stay that way.

batman is quite solid, detective sucks, people seem split on WW (i didnt like it), animal man is GREAT, green lantern is okay-ish sorta.

 

[CConn]

Alright, so from now on you tell me what I think.

I really think it would be for the best.

 

[Name Changed]

I find the problems with the first arc almost entirely on Jim Lee. Johns' writing style is designed to really showcase the artists he works with. The artist that Johns works with is just as important as the writer. While Jim Lee is a beautiful artist, his storytelling sucks. I think that if Johns reigned in Lee, Justice League would be a much better comic because I actually really liked Justice League #7 with Gene Ha. And if they didn't totally **** up the Martian Manhunter, I would have liked issue #8 with Carlos D'Anda.

Lee didn't write the terrible dialogue, the cliched as hell storyline, the piss-poor and heavily forced-in version of Darkseid, the dull and frankly idiotic brutish Superman, the painfully jackass Hal Jordan, the underdeveloped Cyborg, the random moment with Batman taking off his cape, cowl, and chest insignia that was never explained in the least, the cheesy and nonsensical ending with the random turn of Hal's personality within the last few pages...

Seriously, how in hell is any of that pandering to Lee's limited abilities as a storyteller? At all? At any point whatsoever? Explain this to me, because I'm having a really hard time seeing it. Is Lee just so bad that he forced Johns to write "WE GOT THIS!" into the story, too? Because that may be one of the worst lines I've read in a comic since the days of Austen's Superman.

I think there's a difference between an artist's failings and a flat-out dropping of the ball by the writer.