Official Justice League Status Update Thread

[Webhead2006]

Yea they totally did waste so much time with miller's jla which could have been getting the dokkin flash and berlanti green latern films off the ground quicker same with Goyer's green arrow film. Now with the death of miller's jla and the new direction wb wants to go with dc films. I really hope we get a much better superman reboot film, and finally see flash/green latern/green arrow films get off the ground. For me besides batman 3 and superman reboot. The likely other films will be gl/ga since development with them has been picking up steam lately were as flash/ww has been stalled for a long time.

 

[TheVileOne]

I don't think rebooting Superman is all that simple.

The Incredible Hulk is proof of this. Grant Morrison's BS doesn't cut it.

 

[The Major]

I don't think rebooting Superman is all that simple.

A sequel to SR wouldn't be either.

The Incredible Hulk is proof of this. Grant Morrison's BS doesn't cut it.

TIH isn't a good example of a reboot. Batman Begins is a good one.

 

[Webhead2006]

Well the only real problem with TIH was marvel didnt promote it that well to get people to know its totally different then the ang lee film and all that jazz.

 

[The Major]

Well the only real problem with TIH was marvel didnt promote it that well to get people to know its totally different then the ang lee film and all that jazz.

I agree.

It's just BB was a better reboot from my perspective. The public loved it and it got most of his money back I think and it got a sequel which did even better.

TIH is polarizing at best and did equally as well as the previous movie which was viewed as a failure. I liked the movie, actually.

Aren't Marvel thinking of rebooting it again?

 

[Katsuro]

TIH isn't a good example of a reboot. Batman Begins is a good one.

Remember, Batman Begins wasn't exactly a box office smash at first. It opened moderately, and didn't make it's money until word of mouth spread. Also, people didn't really get that the movie was a reboot right away. I heard countless "i thought Joker killed Batman's parents!" comments. Also, Who Wants to Be a Millionare asked "Which of these movies is a prequel", the answer was "Batman Begins".

People dont really get the concept of the reboot. I think as comic fans we're used to the idea of alternate continuities and whatnot, while the general public doesn't really care about that crap. People see a movie with the same characters as another movie and assume it's a sequel or a prequel. Or perhaps a remake.

Although maybe now that we've had a few of them, people will start to catch on. I guess it all depends on how they market it. If it's an origin movie, but isn't given a name that implies a prequel (like Batman Begins was), maybe people will catch on. I still think "Superman: Man of Steel" is the title they should go for. Then continue with a "Superman: _____" naming scheme.

 

[The Major]

Remember, Batman Begins wasn't exactly a box office smash at first. It opened moderately, and didn't make it's money until word of mouth spread.

It was still a box office smash even if it didn't start that way.

Also, people didn't really get that the movie was a reboot right away. I heard countless "i thought Joker killed Batman's parents!" comments. Also, Who Wants to Be a Millionare asked "Which of these movies is a prequel", the answer was "Batman Begins".

That didn't stop the movie from being a financial or critical success, though.

People dont really get the concept of the reboot. I think as comic fans we're used to the idea of alternate continuities and whatnot, while the general public doesn't really care about that crap. People see a movie with the same characters as another movie and assume it's a sequel or a prequel. Or perhaps a remake.

Although maybe now that we've had a few of them, people will start to catch on. I guess it all depends on how they market it. If it's an origin movie, but isn't given a name that implies a prequel (like Batman Begins was), maybe people will catch on. I still think "Superman: Man of Steel" is the title they should go for. Then continue with a "Superman: _____" naming scheme.

Agreed.

 

[Webhead2006]

I have not heard anything about that, latest reports i read they said it was a succesful film for them. We will likely not see a sequel to tih to maybe after avengers since im 2, thor, avengers/cap are higher on the list.

 

[The Major]

Agreed.

 

[Katsuro]

I have not heard anything about that, latest reports i read they said it was a succesful film for them. We will likely not see a sequel to tih to maybe after avengers since im 2, thor, avengers/cap are higher on the list.

Regardless of how succesful it was, the idea of another reboot is just idiotic. I mean, really? 3 Hulk films, all in a few years, in different continuities? The idea is just absurd. No way would they do that. People would just laugh at them.

There's no reason for it anyways. TIH didin't make a lot of money, and it wasn't considered the best movie ever, but it wasn't hated like the last Hulk. Most people I talked to about it liked the movie.

 

[Webhead2006]

YEa i totally liked the film and the direction they went in was totally better then the crap ang lee did in 2003. Yes it wasnt a smash hit like im/tdk but the only ones to blame is marvel not promoting it better like im/ and tdk for dc. Now if they did that and got the general audience to know its a restart like bb did for batman it probably would have made more money. They will likely give it a sequel but like i said i read its likely to happen after avengers since i believe the plan might be for hulk to be the threat in avengers for cap/im/thor to team up and all that then at the end he becomes a member.

 

[Katsuro]

Wait until Incredible Hulk hits DVD. I have a feeling it'll make up for it's poor box office there, at least partially.

 

[LazloSpeeker]

My mind is made up. The 'Justice League' movie has to have Bale as Batman. This will let the viewers and casual fans know who Batman really is in the spectrum of superheroes and give the film some funk 'n' personality. Unfortunately, I don't think Bale want's to be tied to the character for that long and nor should he be expected to.

It makes sense. To make a good film a solid base is needed, just like everything in life. Bale's Batman character is the perfect foundation/tent pole for this potential movie since we all know they won't follow the original material verbatim.

 

[The Major]

My mind is made up. The 'Justice League' movie has to have Bale as Batman. This will let the viewers and casual fans know who Batman really in the spectrum of superheroes and give the film some funk 'n' personality.

You think a movie with a sexy Amazon empowered by the Greek gods which happens to be the best fighter from an ancient immortal society of warriors, a space cop with a weapon which can create anything he can think of, a funny guy who is a super-hero all the time with speed powers that was a sidekick to another hero with the same powers for years, Superman and a shape-shifting, telepathic alien that policed his own race before he came to Earth who is the ultimate outsider wouldn't be interesting to watch interact?

 

[LazloSpeeker]

You think a movie with a sexy Amazon empowered by the Greek gods which happens to be the best fighter from an ancient immortal society of warriors, a space cop with a weapon which can create anything he can think of, a funny guy who is a super-hero all the time with speed powers that was a sidekick to another hero with the same powers for years, Superman and a shape-shifting, telepathic alien who is the ultimate outsider who is the last survivor of a race on Mars wouldn't be interesting to watch interact?

Too many characters, too much personality unless they make it a 180 minute movie. Waterworld show'd what a 3 hour action/adventure can be.

Putting Bale's Batman in would make him the focal point for viewers because he is the most familiar. This, in result, would keep viewers from getting confused and trying to focus on Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern, Aquaman, and Martian Manhunter all at once. It's too much UNLESS you give the viewers a shaman of sorts - that shaman is Bale's Batman. Without a shaman I have serious doubts about this movie seeing a sequel.

The best course of action I see is use Bale's Batman and start the film out primarily focused on Batman for the heroes for the first 45 minutes or so. During the next 45 minutes slide the focus to Batman's relationship with two of the other characters, probably Superman and Wonder Woman. Superman and Wonder Woman would then be the focal point at about the 90 minute mark. For the final 45 minutes, the focus would turn to one of the other characters - Green Lantern, Aquaman, Martian Manhunter, or Flash. It doesn't really matter which as long as you show the characters relationship to Superman and Wonder Woman and progress from that. Needless to say, the end result would be someone other than Batman, Superman, or Wonder Woman coming out as the big hero and ready to support his own franchise.

Green Lantern would likely be the big hero for the first film. He could then take Bale's Batman's place as the foundation for the sequel. Then, show his relationship to Martian Manhunter and Aquaman and then their relationship with Flash. Flash is the hero of the sequel and the base for the next sequel.

It's a simple pyramid plan so I know it works... I have diagrams.

 

[The Major]

Too many characters, too much personality unless they make it a 180 minute movie. Waterworld show'd what a 3 hour action/adventure can be.

It would be a long movie. That's why its absolutely necessary they hire the right director, cast and get the best script so they can get the best quality and not waste time.

I agree there shouldn't be that many characters. The smaller the amount the better. I'd say 5 should be the limit, but I'd only use either Superman or Batman so another lesser known character can get the spotlight instead.

Putting Bale's Batman in would make him the focal point for viewers because he is the most familiar. This, in result, would keep viewers from getting confused and trying to focus on Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern, Aquaman, and Martian Manhunter all at once.

That's the beauty of ensemble films. The viewer will only see what the film makers want them to. They can give some more screen time and others less when the story requires it.

Having solo films would allow them to do this with the more established characters so they'll still know the basics without having to catch up in the film. They can just focus on the story then.

It's too much UNLESS you give the viewers a shaman of sorts - that shaman is Bale's Batman. Without a shaman I have serious doubts about this movie seeing a sequel.

Batman doesn't need to have that role. It could any character. Martian Manhunter would make sense to introduce in JL while the primary characters are already established in solo films.

This can allow the viewers not only to get to know him but to see how a new character they don't know much about interacts with the rest of them all through the film.

The best course of action I see is use Bale's Batman and start the film out primarily focused on Batman for the heroes for the first 45 minutes or so. During the next 45 minutes slide the focus to Batman's relationship with two of the other characters, probably Superman and Wonder Woman. Superman and Wonder Woman would then be the focal point at about the 90 minute mark. For the final 45 minutes, the focus would turn to one of the other characters - Green Lantern, Aquaman, Martian Manhunter, or Flash. It doesn't really matter which as long as you show the characters relationship to Superman and Wonder Woman and progress from that.

I'd argue that they could just use one main character through the film and get a good result, as well.

Just my opinion.

Needless to say, the end result would be someone other than Batman, Superman, or Wonder Woman coming out as the big hero and ready to support his own franchise.

That's if it succeeds. If it didn't they just killed off about 6 franchises before they got started. It would be decades, if ever, they could be revived again in solo films, cartoons or tv shows. If any character which appeared in the film wasn't liked by the public it could have the same negative result.

Thank god WB is using the Marvel method now.

 

[LazloSpeeker]

It would be a long movie. That's why its absolutely necessary they hire the right director, cast and get the best script so they can get the best quality and not waste time.

Putting Bale's Batman in would make him the focal point for viewers because he is the most familiar. This, in result, would keep viewers from getting confused and trying to focus on Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern, Aquaman, and Martian Manhunter all at once.

That's the beauty of ensemble films. The viewer will only see what the film makers want them to. They can give some higher screen time and others less when the story requires it.

Having solo films would allow them to do this with the more established characters so they'll still know the basics without having to catch up in the film. They can just focus on the story then.

Batman doesn't need to have that role. It could any character. Martian Manhunter would make sense to introduce in JL while the primary characters are already established in solo films.

This can allow the viewers not only to get to know him but to see how a new character they don't know much about interacts with the rest of them.

I'd argue that they could just use one main character through the film and get a good result, as well.

Just my opinion.


That's if it succeeds. If it didn't they just killed off about 6 franchises before they got started. It would be decades, if ever, they could be revived again in film, cartoon or tv shows.

Thank god WB is using the Marvel method now.

Ummm... I don't think you're understanding me. I say Batman as shaman only because he is most familiar, trust me people are going to get lost in this film without one. He doesn't really have to be the main character, like you said 'this will be an ensemble cast.' Batman just needs to open the film.

Here is what I see as the best course of action for the heroes storyline:

1. Open with Batman and how he becomes associated with the Justice League.

2. Set up Wonder Woman and Superman as Batman's supporting cast with the others as Wonder Woman's and Superman's support.

3. Establish the unique relationships between Batman/Superman and Batman/Wonder Woman.
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This should take about 45 minutes
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4. Gradually slide the focus off Batman and to Wonder Woman and Superman. The Batman character is strong enough to stand on his own, just putting him in the scenes will keep the audience believeing he is the main character - IF THEY WANT TO.

5. The climax of the film with Superman and Wonder Woman having the most relation to it while Batman is the one supporting both of them.

6. Superman and Wonder Woman are both forced to look to another character to 'finish the job.'
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Again, another 45 minutes.
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7. If most of the fans have not already accepted Batman, Superman, or Wonder Woman as their main character the 'alternative' arises. Nothing should be changed at this point in regards to how Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman are working in the film. This 4th hero simply begins working more closely with them, basically side by side.

8. The final conflict of the film begins with the 4th hero prepared to take center stage.

9. This other hero 'delivers the final blow' and becomes the big hero while many still see Batman, Superman, or Wonder Woman as the main good guy.
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Final 45 minutes.
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That's basically the formula that will work best for all parties. Not a big deal, I just know it'll work pretty damn well.

 

[The Major]

Lazlo:

I can agree with that.

 

[TheVileOne]

People didn't get that Incredible Hulk was a reboot either. Universal and Marvel could've done a better job of explaining, but it's still so hard to do, to get an audience to understand that.

I'm not saying definitely do a direct sequel to Superman Returns. I'd honestly at least like it if they kept Brandon Routh, or at least considered it. But if they want a reboot, that would still confuse people.

I liked Singer's take, but it was the wrong thing to do in 2006 with Superman. People were not ready for that kind of Superman story. I'm happy at least at Comic Con in 06, Singer was positive about the movie and proud of it. And that's fine. So I guess you can say that Superman Returns is like the true Superman 3 or whatever. So maybe it is time to do a fresher take.

However, if you really are going to wipe the slate clean for real this time, just negotiate with Nolan and see if they could do anything about just saying something that the Batman movies and the newest Superman movie are happening in the same timeline.

 

[Steelsheen]

Well we might have the Justice League forums closed or moved and the Superman Forums revamped sooner rather then later it seems.

*sigh* oh well, it was good while it lasted i guess, but what about the threads? there were some really good threads and posts there.

Ummm... I don't think you're understanding me. I say Batman as shaman only because he is most familiar, trust me people are going to get lost in this film without one. He doesn't really have to be the main character, like you said 'this will be an ensemble cast.' Batman just needs to open the film.

Here is what I see as the best course of action for the heroes storyline:

1. Open with Batman and how he becomes associated with the Justice League.

2. Set up Wonder Woman and Superman as Batman's supporting cast with the others as Wonder Woman's and Superman's support.

3. Establish the unique relationships between Batman/Superman and Batman/Wonder Woman.
------------------------
This should take about 45 minutes
------------------------
4. Gradually slide the focus off Batman and to Wonder Woman and Superman. The Batman character is strong enough to stand on his own, just putting him in the scenes will keep the audience believeing he is the main character - IF THEY WANT TO.

5. The climax of the film with Superman and Wonder Woman having the most relation to it while Batman is the one supporting both of them.

6. Superman and Wonder Woman are both forced to look to another character to 'finish the job.'
-------------------------
Again, another 45 minutes.
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7. If most of the fans have not already accepted Batman, Superman, or Wonder Woman as their main character the 'alternative' arises. Nothing should be changed at this point in regards to how Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman are working in the film. This 4th hero simply begins working more closely with them, basically side by side.

8. The final conflict of the film begins with the 4th hero prepared to take center stage.

9. This other hero 'delivers the final blow' and becomes the big hero while many still see Batman, Superman, or Wonder Woman as the main good guy.
--------------------------
Final 45 minutes.
--------------------------

That's basically the formula that will work best for all parties. Not a big deal, I just know it'll work pretty damn well.

this sounds good.

i agree that Bale is needed to anchor any potential JL movie, or even if its just gonna be Superman-Batman, Bale has to play Batman. he's the guy most people will associate with now. the problem of course is that he has a tendency to get bored very quickly or feel trapped with the kinds of roles he plays and wants to keep branching out. i've said it before and i dont see this getting disproved anytime soon: it rests on Bale whether or not JLA or BvS will get happen.

 

[biolumen]

Maybe this is something and maybe this is nothing, but I found a few things that piqued my curiosity. First, something Steve at savesuperman.com had to say...

George Miller, now that JLA has officially been bumped to follow Marvel's lead, may be given Wonder Woman where he can groom his darling Megan Gale, but it's far from locked up.

http://www.savesuperman.com/node/174

Total B.S., right? That's what I thought. But then I found something else of interest.

A Little More Rope

Here's a little advance info on some of the guests coming up on Enough Rope with Andrew Denton.

August 25
Gold medal-winning wheelchair athlete, Kurt Fearnley on the eve of the Paralympics. And model Megan Gale talks about life on the catwalk and her move into acting.

September 1
Andrew is joined by Bill Bailey.

September 8
Andrew is joined by Australian film director George Miller.

September 15
Andrew speaks with Kevin 'Bloody' Wilson; and author Mahvish Khan, who wrote My Guantanamo Diary after her experience as a volunteer interpreter at Guantánamo Bay.

Enough Rope with Andrew Denton airs 9:35pm Mondays on ABC1.

Posted by David Knox at Saturday, August 23, 2008

http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2008/08/little-more-rope.html

So, after being relatively quiet all these months, both Gale and Miller will be doing seperate talk show interviews just days after WB announces it's new plan. So yeah, they'll probably just be talking about what might've been, but there's also a (very) small possibility that there's some truth to what Steve says. I don't believe it, but who knows.

At the very least we'll get to hear something from them about JL:M. I hope someone posts a transcript of both interviews or puts them on youtube.

 

[jmc]

Maybe this is something and maybe this is nothing, but I found a few things that piqued my curiosity. First, something Steve at savesuperman.com had to say...



http://www.savesuperman.com/node/174

Total B.S., right? That's what I thought. But then I found something else of interest.



http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2008/08/little-more-rope.html

So, after being relatively quiet all these months, both Gale and Miller will be doing seperate talk show interviews just days after WB announces it's new plan. So yeah, they'll probably just be talking about what might've been, but there's also a (very) small possibility that there's some truth to what Steve says. I don't believe it, but who knows.

At the very least we'll get to hear something from them about JL:M. I hope someone posts a transcript of both interviews or puts them on youtube.

The show Enough Rope is filmed weeks in advanced, sometimes along much as 6 weeks unless it's special guest who's only in town briefly, if anything what ever they talk about could be outdated.

 

[Webhead2006]

i think steve at savesuperman was just kidding around with the miller/gale ww talk. Since right now silver still has the rights to that property.

 

[biolumen]

The show Enough Rope is filmed weeks in advanced, sometimes along much as 6 weeks unless it's special guest who's only in town briefly, if anything what ever they talk about could be outdated.

That could prove to be quite embarrassing for Gale, especially if she waxes on about looking forward to playing WW in JL:M.

Then again, both Gale and Miller might have been privy to WB intentions long before Robinov made his declarations to the WSJ, and these interviews were scheduled as a result of WB's decision.

Whatever the case, I'm very curious to hear what they have to say. Hopefully they'll give us some insight into the situation revolving around the movie before it's demise.

 

[jmc]

^ What could be even more embarrassing is that news like what WB are doing usually makes the headlines down here some 3-4 days after the announcement (yes, they are slow with news), meaning the very day the Gale interview (potentially talking about her acting career and the WW role) goes to air would be the same day as news of WB killing JL hits the presses. That's all kinds of awkward.