Official Justice League Status Update Thread

[jmc]

A JLA film has the potential to be a lot more epic than The Avengers, I'd say. Plus, it has the advantage of having Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman under one movie. We are talking about Huge icons here. So in essence, a JLA film sells itself, really.

Don't forget the time frame, a JL film is at least 6-7 years off if WB want a single continuity, Marvel I think are biting off more than they can chew trying to cram in The Avangers by 2011. Having said that though, neither team up film is a guarantee.

 

[FaT_tONle]

6 or 7 years??? So now the BB and TDK continuity count toward JLA build up??? Please... The build up only starts if and when Superman cameos in GL... and that is 2010... also I doubt Marvel will make that 2011 release date because WB wants BB3 there and Marvel won't have Avengers ready in time.

 

[jmc]

6 or 7 years??? So now the BB and TDK continuity counts toward JLA build up???

Where did I say that?

2009 - Nothing
2010 - Green Lantern
2011 - Batman 3
2012 - Superman
2013/14 - Flash and/or WW
2014/15 - JL

6-7 years off, just an estimate.

 

[FaT_tONle]

2009 is nothing... so how do you just add that year on??? The build up has to start with the next incumbent film that is part of the greater universe... Nolan's Batman has not done this yet. Say Avengers gets pushed back a year... JLA and Avengers would basically get done in the same time span... four to five years max. And WB loses Superman rights in Fall 2013 so they may have to fast track... cutting either Flash/WW... but those films would have been flops IMO. That's a debate for another thread though.

 

[Katsuro]

2009 is nothing... so how do you just add that year on??? The build up has to start with the next incumbent film that is part of the greater universe... Nolan's Batman has not done this yet. Say Avengers gets pushed back a year... JLA and Avengers would basically get done in the same time span... four to five years max. And WB loses Superman rights in Fall 2013 so they may have to fast track... cutting either Flash/WW... but those films would have been flops IMO. That's a debate for another thread though.

His point was that a JLA movie is 6 or 7 years away. 2009 not having a movie coming out doesn't change that. 2009 is still going to occur.

His plan has JLA happening in 2014 or 2015. Is that not 6 or 7 years away from now?

 

[FaT_tONle]

His point was that a JLA movie is 6 or 7 years away. 2009 not having a movie coming out doesn't change that. 2009 is still going to occur.

His plan has JLA happening in 2014 or 2015. Is that not 6 or 7 years away from now?

That's my fault for misunderstanding... but I don't get how you knock Marvel for rushing when they knew how to go about their business in the first place. I don't get the feeling they are rushing Avengers... they have got all the solo films lined up... DC is just doing one superhero movie a year as opposed to two... which has it's advantages... but that doesn't mean WB is taking their time and being careful with their **** while Marvel is rushing things.

 

[BATZARRO WWD]

That's my fault for misunderstanding... but I don't get how you knock Marvel for rushing when they knew how to go about their business in the first place. I don't get the feeling they are rushing Avengers... they have got all the solo films lined up... DC is just doing one superhero movie a year as opposed to two... which has it's advantages... but that doesn't mean WB is taking their time and being careful with their **** while Marvel is rushing things.

Well, I felt Hulk suffered for being too close to Ironman and not being promoted enought(again, to not cannibalize on Ironman). If they did that with Avengers...

 

[Crook]

Hulk hurt itself. No blame need go on other properties.

 

[Changeling]

Ok. Heres how I see it:

2010-Green Lantern and Jonah Hex
2011-Batman 3
2012-Superman Reboot
2013- Flash
2014-Justice League

Its a lot like JMC's but with Jonah Hex lol

 

[FaT_tONle]

Avengers will not be undermarketed. That was Marvel's goal from the beginning. Plus Marvel has enough material to do two superhero films every year. I am not even sure DC is sold on Flash/WW movies at this point... so frankly they don't have enough Justice League characters to do two films a year. I honestly don't expect a Flash movie... WW probably has an outside chance at best but it don't look like that will be green lit any time soon.

 

[TheVileOne]

With the shape the economy's in, I think there is little chance of WB making Justice League or Wonder Woman any time soon.

Batman 3? Definitely will be made. Green Lantern? We'll see. Green Lantern what he lacks in name recognition he makes up for in lack of baggage. A fresher comic property to turn into a movie. Iron Man shows how much that can work in someone's favor. People thought Iron Man wouldn't fare well against the big names since to the mainstream audience he's virtually unknown.

A Green Lantern movie wouldn't be cheap, but it would still cost less than a Justice League movie. Wonder Woman movie wouldn't be cheap either, but the problem is . . . it's Wonder Woman. And WB. And Jeff Robinov doesn't want big budget movies starring women.

 

[The Major]

I am not even sure DC is sold on Flash/WW movies at this point... so frankly they don't have enough Justice League characters to do two films a year.

What? Of course they do. Even with the top five or six Justice Leaguer's they have enough characters to do that.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Then how come WW and Flash haven't even been close to getting off the ground^^^??? We aren't talking about characters like Aquaman and Green Arrow... we are talking about WW.

 

[The Major]

Then how come WW and Flash haven't even been close to getting off the ground^^^??? We aren't talking about characters like Aquaman and Green Arrow... we are talking about WW.

That is the question, isn't it?

That property, and others, have not been given high priority by WB for decades since WB either can't or won't see their potential as solo film franchises. Hell, they can't even see them as good cartoon franchises.

Maybe this is changing but I'm not getting my hopes up any time soon.

 

[FaT_tONle]

I just don't get why people are penciling in WW/Flash after a Superman reboot... I mean I am not saying it isn't possible... but if I were WB I'd just go right to a JLA movie... mostly because they are losing Superman rights soon. But besides that... it's really gonna depend on how GL/Superman reboot does. Because if they perform mediocre then there is no reason to believe these other JLA characters will ever get off the ground... with Marvel's case... I am certain we will not only get Thor/Cap films... but we'll probably get Black Panther/Black Widow/Dr. Strange films before DC gets any of their B-list characters off the ground let alone C-list characters.

 

[Antonello Blueberry]

That is the question, isn't it?

That property, and others, have not been given high priority by WB for decades since WB either can't or won't see their potential as solo film franchises. Hell, they can't even see them as good cartoon franchises.

Maybe this is changing but I'm not getting my hopes up any time soon.

That's not true. They've had a Wonder Woman movie in development for years, they even were close to start shooting the pilot for a Tv series years ago. The same goes for Flash; they had a couple of directors attached and David Goyer wrote a script for it.
Probably nothing was so good to grant a green light.

 

[The Major]

I just don't get why people are penciling in WW/Flash after a Superman reboot... I mean I am not saying it isn't possible... but if I were WB I'd just go right to a JLA movie... mostly because they are losing Superman rights soon.

They should.

Marvel is making solo movies of all the primary Avengers before making them all team up.

The Justice League would include Green Lantern, Flash, WW, Superman and Batman.

Not having a solo WW would seem out of place and not set up JL properly. It would leave major piece out of the equation.

They need them all, it's not multiple choice.

But besides that... it's really gonna depend on how GL/Superman reboot does.

This gets complicated. WB needs to stop thinking like they're making widgets with these franchises. They're not clones of each other. Especially WW.

Since TDK has proven to be a massive success it should be a huge green light to these properties for years to come no matter what.

That and Marvel's successes with Blade and Iron Man.

They didn't stop being successful comic adaptions after they left the theaters.

Because if they perform mediocre then there is no reason to believe these other JLA characters will ever get off the ground...

True.

Which means WB should make it more of an effort to do their best at executing these movies. Research, understanding, proper budget, hiring the best people for the jobs based on good resumes suiting the projects and logical decisions need to be made specific to the franchises and talking to the right people who know the comics not praying for a miracle.

with Marvel's case... I am certain we will not only get Thor/Cap films... but we'll probably get Black Panther/Black Widow/Dr. Strange films before DC gets any of their B-list characters off the ground let alone C-list characters.

Agreed.

 

[Crook]

They should.

Marvel is making solo movies of all the primary Avengers before making them all team up.

The Justice League would include Green Lantern, Flash, WW, Superman and Batman.

Not having a solo WW would seem out of place and not set up JL properly. It would leave major piece out of the equation.

They need them all, it's not multiple choice.

That's not necessarily true. Timm's JL series successfully introduced all these heroes without having to show an extensive origin for them. It's safe to say every one of the Big 7 are immediately recognized by the mainstream audience, at least vividly. So it's not like we'd be completely in the dark.

Worked well enough for X-Men.

I'd like the solo films first though. But it's not integral to the overall plan. They could come after a JL film, and easily be set up as taking place before the group was formed.

 

[The Major]

That's not necessarily true. Timm's JL series successfully introduced all these heroes without having to show an extensive origin for them.

JL has its own mythology while each separate team mate has their own mythology build in.

Less risky, too. X-men tanking would have just taken Wolverine and X-men with it.

JL takes several B franchises with it and possibly endangers the rest by DC's line super-hero at worst.

Timm's series had much more time to show these characters doing things, too. With a movie they'll get 2 hours at the most. There is no way they can explore them in the same depth.

It's safe to say every one of the Big 7 are immediately recognized by the mainstream audience, at least vividly. So it's not like we'd be completely in the dark.

I agree they may recognize them but that's all it'll do. They're not going to stay interested unless they're given the proper time to care about them. They'll get that more from solo movies then JL.

Worked well enough for X-Men.

Just because it worked for X-men doesn't mean it should or would work with JL.

I'd like the solo films first though. But it's not integral to the overall plan.

Agreed.

They could come after a JL film, and easily be set up as taking place before the group was formed.

True, but I see that as putting the cart before the horse.

The audience would never see the full potential of these characters in JL. Just glimpses if they're lucky. Assuming they're good versions. If they're bad the public will be turned off and WB would throw the character's franchise under a bus for decades or worse, make solo movies based on a horrible version the solo film makers will be stuck with.

 

[Crook]

JL has its own mythology while each separate team mate has their own mythology build in.

Yes, but they're exclusive to that specific mythology of the character. A JL film only requires JL mythology. Not Batman, or GL, Supes, etc etc. Unless the story calls for it.

Less risky, too. X-men tanking would have just taken Wolverine and X-men with it.

True, but it could just as easily fail the other way around too. If Wolvie got his own film first, and that one failed, do you think an X-Men film would get greenlit? We have, what, 5 solo films at the very least to worry about? If one or two of those fail, that'll deter WB from even going through with an ensemble flick.

Timm's series had much more time to show these characters doing things, too. With a movie they'll get 2 hours at the most. There is no way they can explore them in the same depth.

As the show progressed, yes these character's histories were being told. I'm not talking about that though. JL's first arc only involved MM's origin.

I agree they may recognize them but that's all it'll do. They're not going to stay interested unless they're given the proper time to care about them. They'll get that more from solo movies then JL.

Yes. So let the solo movies worry about that.

Just because it worked for X-men doesn't mean it should or would work with JL.

Proof of concept.

True, but I see that as putting the cart before the horse.

Perhaps. But you can apply that to any narrative that doesn't follow a chronological order.

The audience would never see the full potential of these characters in JL. Just glimpses if they're lucky. Assuming they're good versions. If they're bad the public will be turned off and WB would throw the character's franchise under a bus for decades or worse, make solo movies based on a horrible version the solo film makers will be stuck with.

The solo films and JL franchise are conversely related. Assuming they're all under one continuity, the baggage is shared either which way. Whether the "bad" originated in a solo film or not, that'll be carried through to the other franchise.

This doesn't have to happen, since logically any faults would then be corrected for the next project. All I'm saying is these films are all connected by a thread, and it doesn't matter which one fails, because it effects everyone else in the same exact way.

 

[BlackLantern]

Here's the thing....to the movie going audience at-large, it's all about who does it first....marvel will get Avengers out before WB can get out JL and WB will simply be looked at as copycats....

 

[Crook]

Maybe. But a lot more people know about Justice League, than they do the Avengers. I think that alone would halt any thoughts of DC copying a dream-team.

 

[jmc]

Whats the old saying? No one remembers who came second? Something like that. Either way I think both team up films are fraught with potentials problems, hence why I think they should be separate continuities from solo projects.

 

[Crook]

That'd be a waste. What makes the JL concept so exciting is to see these established characters interact in the same environment. Going with different actors for these roles just feels awkward.

 

[jmc]

Only if it's done at the same time is it awkward. The solo films needs to be given the same sized canvas as BB and TDK and not be limited as what Marvel are doing, ie the characters need their own environment and their own rules to get the best out of the character. The problem then is intertwining those multiple environments, to me that is the awkward part, hence why I think it's best JL remain a separate franchise and have it's own canvas to draw on.