Official Justice League Status Update Thread

[Timstuff]

I am merely saying that stuff is outdated for major motion pictures released in theatres. It still has its place though.

While I would agree that DC's DTV efforts lack the production values to receive theatrical releases (had that been what you said), I wholeheartedly disagree with the notion that 2D animation too "outdated" to be used in theatrical releases. 2D and 3D are two seperate mediums, and one is not necessarily better than the other. Although personally, I think in the rush to put out glitzy CG movies, a lot of studios have lost sight of what made the great 2D animated movies special. It's not about the medium, but rather how the filmmakers choose to utilize it.

 

[Lestat74]

I don't see Wonder Woman being made. Flash I can see being made if GL is huge, which it will be if it's made.....but WW.....just not sure how she can translate to film and even if she's done well, women heroins............or how ever you spell it, just don't do well at the BO.

I'm not saying Wonder Woman wouldn't have a tough time being a hit, but just beause she is a woman doesn't mean it can't happen....for every Catwoman, Elektra and Aen Flux there has been a Charlie's Angels, Tomb Raider, Kill Bill and Underworld. Not to mention, Wonder Woman is the most recognizable female hero of all time. She is an icon. Just wait till Halloween...you see as many Wonder Woman out there as Witches and Fairies. EVERYONE knows who she is, even when they know little about her.

All Warners has to do is look at the recent animated film as a template, and the Wonder Woman movie should do just fine. Also...if Warners is smart and they are planning Green Lantern, Flash and WW as a build up towards Justice League, then should MARKET IT that way. Drop the first hints of a future JLA in Green Lantern...then, say, with the first Flash trailer, have a tagline that says COMING IN 2012 (or whenever) and then in that same trailer, after all that, have a tagline that says...AND IN 2013 JUSTICE LEAGUE with all the hero's logos together. Make it seem as if to be on the ground floor of JL you NEED to see Flash and Wonder Woman. And that way no one will miss it.

 

[Webhead2006]

well even if thats the plan to get to jl we are still many years away from happening. First we need gl to be a good hit, then a flash film to be made, a ww film to be made, what ever is going to happen with superman. At this rate jl is probably still 7+ yrs off. More so if said characters cant get off the bloody ground.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

So pretty much the fan consensus is that they'll be shocked if any DC superhero gets a movie other than Batman, Superman, or Green Lantern. Personally, I predict a lot of shocking in the future.

I'm still in the "I'll believe it when I see it" camp when it comes to GL, so just imagine how I feel about Flash, WW and especially Justice League.

 

[MadVillainy]

Agreed. I doubt JLA happens during the tenure of Reynolds and Bale

I've been doubting Bale's involvement since TDK for some reason.
Reynolds MAYBE they can get him to be GL in a crossover JL film.

To me (I dont know the politics) by they are making it alot complicated then it has to be

I'm still in the "I'll believe it when I see it" camp when it comes to GL, so just imagine how I feel about Flash, WW and especially Justice League.

GL I think is at least somewhat believeable because at least they have a lead. A HUGE lead matter of fact who I think WB is very intent on keeping in their grasps

 

[dnno1]

I'm not saying Wonder Woman wouldn't have a tough time being a hit, but just beause she is a woman doesn't mean it can't happen....for every Catwoman, Elektra and Aen Flux there has been a Charlie's Angels, Tomb Raider, Kill Bill and Underworld. Not to mention, Wonder Woman is the most recognizable female hero of all time. She is an icon. Just wait till Halloween...you see as many Wonder Woman out there as Witches and Fairies. EVERYONE knows who she is, even when they know little about her.

You also forgot to mention "Supergirl", "Red Sonja", "Tank Girl", "Barbwire", "Ultraviolet", "Brenda Star", "My Super Ex-Girlfriend", "Sheena: Queen of the Jungle" and "Barbarella". That would mean that those types of films have a less than 25% success rate. That's pretty risky if you want to put up $180 million to produce a major tentpole film. Now, on the other hand it is not that much so if you are talking low budget (like "Underworld), but I know that is not what you are talking about.

All Warners has to do is look at the recent animated film as a template, and the Wonder Woman movie should do just fine. Also...if Warners is smart and they are planning Green Lantern, Flash and WW as a build up towards Justice League, then should MARKET IT that way. Drop the first hints of a future JLA in Green Lantern...then, say, with the first Flash trailer, have a tagline that says COMING IN 2012 (or whenever) and then in that same trailer, after all that, have a tagline that says...AND IN 2013 JUSTICE LEAGUE with all the hero's logos together. Make it seem as if to be on the ground floor of JL you NEED to see Flash and Wonder Woman. And that way no one will miss it.

You're trying to suggest that they use the success of an animated video that only sold about a quarter of a million copies at best to make a major motion picture that will probably need more like 20 million viewres for pay for it? Seriously, stop before this gets worse.

 

[SurgeonGirl]

What we need is a Flash that actually looks like a runner.

 

[Webhead2006]

that would be a smart move, we dont need a jacked up guy(super roid body i mean) for flash.

 

[Lestat74]

You also forgot to mention "Supergirl", "Red Sonja", "Tank Girl", "Barbwire", "Ultraviolet", "Brenda Star", "My Super Ex-Girlfriend", "Sheena: Queen of the Jungle" and "Barbarella". That would mean that those types of films have a less than 25% success rate. That's pretty risky if you want to put up $180 million to produce a major tentpole film. Now, on the other hand it is not that much so if you are talking low budget (like "Underworld), but I know that is not what you are talking about.



You're trying to suggest that they use the success of an animated video that only sold about a quarter of a million copies at best to make a major motion picture that will probably need more like 20 million viewres for pay for it? Seriously, stop before this gets worse.

Telling me to "stop before it gets worse" is saying I have no valid points to make, so if you REALLY wanted me to drop it.... probably not the smartest thing to say. Why not just say "woman, shut up!" It seems you are very comfortable with women knowing their place in the male dominated genre, and any attempts to "come out of the kitchen" so to speak are fool hardy and pointless. To which is say F THAT. Change doesn't come until someone does it right.

In any event, No..I did not mention Sheena, Red Sonja, Barb Wire, etc. Mostly because I was focusing on more recent fare, which has a better track record. And I have a theory on why all of those movies failed, and I don't think it has much to do with the female leads. To me, it's simple: MOST of those movies used sex (or the suggestion of sex) to sell to the male audience. Guys don't go for this, because they have porn for that (especially nowadays) Women don't go for it, because they find they objectification of the women objectionable. So it ends up dead in the water with no real demographic to appeal to. If the studios treat their female action vehicles as nothing but camp or disposable T&A stuff, how can they be shocked at their Box Office outcome? Make the fact that she is a woman incidental to the spectacle (like in Aliens) and not have her boobs and ass be the spectacle itself. Because that NEVER works.

And I'm saying use the template of the scipt used for the animated film as a basis for the live action. Yes, I am fully aware the DTV animated film have a limited audience. Nevertheless, I believe that particular movie got the best reviews of ALL the animated DC films, many which pointed out this is take that a live action Wonder Woman film needs. That is what I'm saying here.

Yes, a live action Wonder Woman film is risky, which is why you need to do it RIGHT. I'm not saying they break the bank on it, but done right at the very least you get a $140 million + Incredible Hulk style "dissapointment", or you get a bona fide smash hit. Either/or would be a better intro to Wonder Woman than just the "chick character" in the JLA movie.

 

[Retroman]

A bit of useless trivia on Miller's Justice League. Australian stunt performer Kyle Gardiner was Superman's stunt double during pre production rehearsals.

Knowing (full time) Assistant Stunt Coordinator Stunt coord: Chris Anderson
Justice League of America Superman stunt double pre production Stunt coord: Guy Norris
Push (full time) Stunt Rigger/Stunt performer Stunt coord: Nick Powell

Source

 

[Docker2.0]

Read my next post. It makes sense.

 

[Docker2.0]

Telling me to "stop before it gets worse" is saying I have no valid points to make, so if you REALLY wanted me to drop it.... probably not the smartest thing to say. Why not just say "woman, shut up!" It seems you are very comfortable with women knowing their place in the male dominated genre, and any attempts to "come out of the kitchen" so to speak are fool hardy and pointless. To which is say F THAT. Change doesn't come until someone does it right.

In any event, No..I did not mention Sheena, Red Sonja, Barb Wire, etc. Mostly because I was focusing on more recent fare, which has a better track record. And I have a theory on why all of those movies failed, and I don't think it has much to do with the female leads. To me, it's simple: MOST of those movies used sex (or the suggestion of sex) to sell to the male audience. Guys don't go for this, because they have porn for that (especially nowadays) Women don't go for it, because they find they objectification of the women objectionable. So it ends up dead in the water with no real demographic to appeal to. If the studios treat their female action vehicles as nothing but camp or disposable T&A stuff, how can they be shocked at their Box Office outcome? Make the fact that she is a woman incidental to the spectacle (like in Aliens) and not have her boobs and ass be the spectacle itself. Because that NEVER works.

And I'm saying use the template of the scipt used for the animated film as a basis for the live action. Yes, I am fully aware the DTV animated film have a limited audience. Nevertheless, I believe that particular movie got the best reviews of ALL the animated DC films, many which pointed out this is take that a live action Wonder Woman film needs. That is what I'm saying here.

Yes, a live action Wonder Woman film is risky, which is why you need to do it RIGHT. I'm not saying they break the bank on it, but done right at the very least you get a $140 million + Incredible Hulk style "dissapointment", or you get a bona fide smash hit. Either/or would be a better intro to Wonder Woman than just the "chick character" in the JLA movie.

Some of those movies you named are recent. I'm all for a WW movie, though I wouldn't see it myself becuase her comics are confusing enough, let alone a movie, but if it makes comic fan kingdom happy then it's cool. But WW comics have not been doing good in years, which is why she's always getting rebooted becuase she's a tough sell. She just isn't that popular as some people make her out to be. Becuase of her tv show, she's a icon and well known but that is not the same as being popular. If you wanted to do a female superhero movie from the DC universe, I say reboot Supergirl(not sure how she'd do either), or do a lesser known project with a smaller budget like Vixen or Zatanna a la Smallville becuase no way would a WW bring in over $100 million becuase we all know that with the movie directors today, a super hero on a island of ALL women will have sexual themes, not only with men but girl/girl play as well which will kill the kiddies going. All I'm basically saying is that it's hard to get her right in a comic book, imagine trying to make a big budget movie with her. I think the Justice League cartoon got it right with her. She wasn't introduced til the cartoon started, whereas Flash and GL were introduced in either the Superman or Batman cartoon. If the JLA movie is made, she'd probably be better off introduced in it.

 

[cerealkiller182]

I've been doubting Bale's involvement since TDK for some reason.
Reynolds MAYBE they can get him to be GL in a crossover JL film.

To me (I dont know the politics) by they are making it alot complicated then it has to be

I think in order for Reynolds to be a part of it Green lantern has to do for JLA what Iron Man did for Avengers which is get the ball rolling. Its possible, but WB despite creating DC entertainment, hiring writers, and actually moving forward with some lesser known properties seem to still be incredibly coy about JLA and the more marquee superhero flicks.

 

[Docker2.0]

GL is going to be huge just IM was and Cap will be becuase it hasn't been done before. I think people get tired of seeing the same heroes on the screen all the time which DC/WB has to understand. Flash will be huge as well. I'd love for them to make a Plastic Man movie with his main villian, The Weed to be included. I can imagine that villian blowing up big time becuase so many people battle "the weed" daily but he defeats them every time and they have to hit it.

 

[Webhead2006]

i do really hope wit h the change dc is going through will finally make us fans get some more bigger gun characters of the dc world.

 

[MadVillainy]

I think in order for Reynolds to be a part of it Green lantern has to do for JLA what Iron Man did for Avengers which is get the ball rolling. Its possible, but WB despite creating DC entertainment, hiring writers, and actually moving forward with some lesser known properties seem to still be incredibly coy about JLA and the more marquee superhero flicks.

this is true

 

[Antonello Blueberry]

Really, A JL movie could be used as a test for the popularity of Wonder Woman. If they're unsure about her selling a movie, how the character gets received in the JL movie could make WB make up their minds about making the solo movie. Something like
Justice League Origins: Wonder Woman

 

[Webhead2006]

well that is what they probably were going to go for ww/flash/aquaman (possible mm too) if jlm did happen. But since we know now we are not going to get a jl any time soon. Its back to solo routes i guess.

 

[cerealkiller182]

Really, A JL movie could be used as a test for the popularity of Wonder Woman. If they're unsure about her selling a movie, how the character gets received in the JL movie could make WB make up their minds about making the solo movie. Something like
Justice League Origins: Wonder Woman

I know you are going off of the studios trend so far, but frankly I would think in order to get JLA off the ground as a crossover a Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, and Flash movie would need to happen first ideally using JLA as a platform to test Aquaman, Martian MAnhunter, and whoever else they plan on using.

 

[Antonello Blueberry]

They've been trying unseuccessfully to bring Wonder Woman to the screen again for years, there was also a TV series in active development years ago (I think Nicola Scott auditioned for the role). Maybe this would be the only way to have Wonder Woman on screen again. After all, Superman, Batman and soon Green Lantern would have been introduced to the movie audience. If they plan to use the JL:M script they can introduce the Barry Allen Flash in a solo movie and then kill him the group flick.

 

[Venom'sDad]

I have always thought that JLA needed to be shot first to help launch some of DC's other heros solo flicks. This not Marvel's Avengers, where that situation is needed. DC/WB are having problems getting films launch. Superman, for christ-sake, is having issues.

 

[MadVillainy]

I have always thought that JLA needed to be shot first to help launch some of DC's other heros solo flicks. This not Marvel's Avengers, where that situation is needed. DC/WB are having problems getting films launch. Superman, for christ-sake, is having issues.

I mean but Superman's issues are a large mix of things including legal problems. But yeah I dont see why Flash and Wonder Woman are having so many issues

I know you are going off of the studios trend so far, but frankly I would think in order to get JLA off the ground as a crossover a Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, and Flash movie would need to happen first ideally using JLA as a platform to test Aquaman, Martian MAnhunter, and whoever else they plan on using.

Kind of OT: I think thats what MArvel should do with Black Panther, Hawkeye, etc.
Back OT: I think MM would need JL as a platform for a solo film, Aquaman maybe.

 

[Webhead2006]

i know what really is all the dam developmental problems with a flash/ww/aquaman/etc... character these guys should have easily had chances since the comic book movie boom started with blade and all that. I really dont see why a these guys couldnt have happened in this past decade at all.

 

[dnno1]

Telling me to "stop before it gets worse" is saying I have no valid points to make, so if you REALLY wanted me to drop it.... probably not the smartest thing to say. Why not just say "woman, shut up!" It seems you are very comfortable with women knowing their place in the male dominated genre, and any attempts to "come out of the kitchen" so to speak are fool hardy and pointless. To which is say F THAT. Change doesn't come until someone does it right.

I haven't stated my position on a woman's place at all. I have only stated the facts about the industry. Female super-heroine films have never done well and the history proves it. That's not stating an opinion, but just reporting the facts. If you want to call somebody sexist or something, say that to the movie going public. Now here is my opinion: I don't think it is wise to base the justification of the green-lighting of a potential $180 million budgeted blockbuster film on a video that only sold around 143,000 copies and grossed a little over $5 million on a $3.5 million budget. Please stop! You could f-that if you like but please do that at home.

In any event, No..I did not mention Sheena, Red Sonja, Barb Wire, etc. Mostly because I was focusing on more recent fare, which has a better track record. And I have a theory on why all of those movies failed, and I don't think it has much to do with the female leads. To me, it's simple: MOST of those movies used sex (or the suggestion of sex) to sell to the male audience. Guys don't go for this, because they have porn for that (especially nowadays) Women don't go for it, because they find they objectification of the women objectionable. So it ends up dead in the water with no real demographic to appeal to. If the studios treat their female action vehicles as nothing but camp or disposable T&A stuff, how can they be shocked at their Box Office outcome? Make the fact that she is a woman incidental to the spectacle (like in Aliens) and not have her boobs and ass be the spectacle itself. Because that NEVER works.

But two of the films you mentioned were never comic book super-heroine genre. One was based on a television series and the other a video game. Furthermore they aren't even considering making any more Charlie's Angels or Tomb Raider films. If they were that successful, you would think they would be.

And I'm saying use the template of the scipt used for the animated film as a basis for the live action. Yes, I am fully aware the DTV animated film have a limited audience. Nevertheless, I believe that particular movie got the best reviews of ALL the animated DC films, many which pointed out this is take that a live action Wonder Woman film needs. That is what I'm saying here.

Guy, the film dropped off the charts after the second week of its release and sold no where near as many copies as Pinocchio did in one week. If the script was that good, why were the results so poor? Get real.

Yes, a live action Wonder Woman film is risky, which is why you need to do it RIGHT. I'm not saying they break the bank on it, but done right at the very least you get a $140 million + Incredible Hulk style "dissapointment", or you get a bona fide smash hit. Either/or would be a better intro to Wonder Woman than just the "chick character" in the JLA movie.

And what would be done right. The industry has been trying to figure that out for the past 50 years and they still haven't figured it out yet. I doubt you would either.

 

[Crook]

Just because they haven't perfected a formula doesn't really mean it's impossible. There's no inherent flaw within a female-leading movie that prevents it from being successful. The writers/directors are either incompetent, or the material has yet to strike the right chord to become a success with the masses.

WW has the benefit of name recognition and blockbuster-sized stories. Those two right there set the project up leaps ahead of other female-leading vehicles. Women have a reason to go because it's an actual woman (read: not a masculine character under the guise of a female). Men would be interested given the lead is as sexy as the character is drawn, and the entertainment value matches those of typical blockbuster flicks which are led by men.

So yes, while it's true that given the history it would be daunting to take on a fully-backed WW film, I really don't see it as that big of a deal given the potential the franchise has. There are several contingencies to be factored in, but what future big film doesn't?