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dpm07 said:
No.

Btw, I like your avatar. :up:

What's it from?


You really need to lighten up on the psychiatric help stuff.

thanks,
AI - Artificial Intelligence...another beautifully crafted film many found boring.
 
WTFwuzThT said:
I'm pretty sure gigli had two deaths by piano making it twice as good as Superman the remake. On another note, that review is both funny and pathetic. Let the flopping on dvd begin.

I bet the DVD sales will be respectable....The review was obviously made to SELL the dvd....Although, I thought it was fairly accurate (Bosworth wasn't buyable, but Singer, Spacey and Routh were very good).
 
Kid_Kaos said:
Sorry but that argument is dull. The BO only indicates what kind of interest the public has in the movie - not the quality. We don't know how many people went several times or which didn't wanna go and only were dragged by their friends or how many people disliked the movie afterwards. The bad legs indicate the number of people that didn't like it must've been big!

And before you start it again: Batman Begins is often quoted as failure but it had bad WOM before it even started so it started with small numbers cause none believed in it BUT in the end the good WOM helped it to make big dollars.
When, on the other hand, SR was hyped as the biggest movie of the year and therefore logically drew it's biggest chunk in the first 2 weeks but then fastly fell to the ground. If Singer wants to blame anyone than it must be himself for the weak storyline. IMO without the awesome marketing that movie would've been nowhere to $100 mill today!

Returns wasn't hyped as the "biggest movie of the year", MI:3 and PIRATES OF THE FRIGIN CARRABEAN II were. The marketing came late (but strong) IMHO....I also think the marketing could have been a little better...
 
I want to post some random thoughts on Superman Returns, which I watched a week ago... The movie was good, but not the great epic that I wished it to be. There were many good scenes and dialogue, but the overall plot and the feeling of it left me untouched.
  • The opening credits were great! I watched the Donner movie in TV for the first time, but watching the opening in a movie theatre, with the John Williams theme and all, it was fantastic! Once again I realised how great music can create a great experience and awake emotions. Before the movies, among the other trailers, they showed the one for Casino Royale and World Trade Center: While not a big Bond fan, as soon as the main theme kicked in, followed by some excellent montage, I got goosebumps! Only to smirk when Daniel Craig gives that "scoundrel" look at the end -- I still can't accept him as Bond...

    The WTC trailer, well, I am not connected with the events of 9/11, but as soon as the music started playing, I got teary eyes. In a trailer. Seriously. The music btw, is from the OST of "The Life of David Gale"...
  • I was dissapointed that many scenes were cut from the movie. The Krypton journey should have been there...
  • Brandon Routh looks, sounds and acts the part great! He is believable and I liked the way he changed his voice according to his persona. His speech to the passengers after the plane rescue is amazing. Yet, for him being the title hero, his lines were too few! It seemed to me that Lois spoke all the time, while Superman/Clark was looking and listening.
  • Spacey was excellent as the Luthor he portrayed. His lines are the best, the tone of evil he added to Hackman's character really takes the character one step closer to the comis, but still, this was not the Luthor from the comics...
  • The whole production was superb, and the FX were really something. Compare the shuttle crash in ROTS with the plane rescue in SR... Superman flying was great, I couldn't get enough of it.
  • With so many trailers and TV Spots, I nearly ruined my experience. There were very few scenes that I didn't watch and I found myself uninmpressed when the bullet hit Superman's eye; I have seen it so many times in the trailer, that didn't made any impression on me watching it on the big screen...
  • Singer's direction was good, but there were moments that needed more time and space (the Smallville scenes were too short) while others seemed to last mere seconds: Superman recharging from the sun lasts longer in the teaser trailer than it does in the actual movie! Man, I was waiting for it to be the money shot, a glorious scene to really suck in and stay in memory. It lasted, how much, 6-7 seconds?
  • Kryptonite was all wrong in the movie. Superman shouldn't be able to walk, let alone wander around in that island. Even if I believe that he was affected later, there wan no way he could fly after Lois removes the most of the shard in him, yet he is able to fly with a piece of it IN HIM, let alone lift New Krypton (who consists, let me remind you, of a decent percentage of Kryptonite). There is even a big chunk of it growing in front of Superman's face, yet he reaches space... Oh, come on!
  • I had no problem with the Christ symbolism. A bit unnecessary perhaps but still ok. But the Kid... Oh, don't get me started on him! He perplexes things even more, as a plot device and he is a BAD idea, IMO.
That's for now. Superman Returns evoked the same emotions in me as did PJ's King Kong. IMO, both movies could have been better. Concerning SR, even the plot was different than previously stated. There was talk about "the people of Metropolis turning their back on him and the world learning to live without him", yet everyone seems excited about his return, except Lois. There was also a plot which involved Luthor's plan to "render Superman powerless once and for all", but nothing of it was in the final movie. Too bad, I hope they do better with the sequel... Still, 8/10
 
dpm07 said:
Superman Returns is a horrible film by a man who seriously needs psychiatric help for his overinflated ego and arrogance.
That must make James Cameron, Ridley Scott, Peter Jackson, or any other director worth their salt in need of psychiatric help too. Or like every other fanboy who knows exactly how the character is supposed to be done for that matter.
 
I see this place is still the pride of the SHH! forums...


Blargh
 
Brandon had the best lines IMO. The best in the movie is "You wrote that the world doesnt need a saviour...... but everyday i hear people crying for one."
 
only thing good in that movie was when superman was being super the rest sucked and i really wanted it to do well i did infact hate the kid angle like i said i would but i was hoping the rest of the story would hold up but the story sucked and supermans power fluctuated so much that it was wierd i give it 4/10
 
Superman Returns is the greatest movie ever made because it's about Jesus and Jesus was God's only begotten son and he died for our sins. Also, it's in color.
 
AVEITWITHJAMON said:
Brandon had the best lines IMO. The best in the movie is "You wrote that the world doesnt need a saviour...... but everyday i hear people crying for one."

but the review said kitty has the best lines

Like seamonkeys?

Well that line about needing a savior wasn't bad. He sure didn't hear those cries when he left for 6 years har har...

However the prize for best lines goes to Kitty's "Get out." it was like wow, amazing!
 
Wesyeed said:
but the review said kitty has the best lines

Like seamonkeys?

Well that line about needing a savior wasn't bad. He sure didn't hear those cries when he left for 6 years har har...

However the prize for best lines goes to Kitty's "Get out." it was like wow, amazing!

Well that part of the review was the only bit i disagreed with. Kitty did have some funny lines in the movie though.
 
There's not much more i can add to this discussion, but I have to say I really didn't like this movie. Luthor's plot was cringe worthy it was so bad.
 
Kid_Kaos said:
Sorry but that argument is dull. The BO only indicates what kind of interest the public has in the movie - not the quality. We don't know how many people went several times or which didn't wanna go and only were dragged by their friends or how many people disliked the movie afterwards. The bad legs indicate the number of people that didn't like it must've been big!

And before you start it again: Batman Begins is often quoted as failure but it had bad WOM before it even started so it started with small numbers cause none believed in it BUT in the end the good WOM helped it to make big dollars.
When, on the other hand, SR was hyped as the biggest movie of the year and therefore logically drew it's biggest chunk in the first 2 weeks but then fastly fell to the ground. If Singer wants to blame anyone than it must be himself for the weak storyline. IMO without the awesome marketing that movie would've been nowhere to $100 mill today!
if you did a little research, you would know that the hype for SR was pretty low before the movie. there were a number of internet polls about the most anticipated movie/the greatest movie in 2006, SR was always in no. 4, behind POTC2, Divinci Code & XmenIII. POTC2 won all the polls.
 
sf2 said:
if you did a little research, you would know that the hype for SR was pretty low before the movie. there were a number of internet polls about the most anticipated movie/the greatest movie in 2006, SR was always in no. 4, behind POTC2, Divinci Code & XmenIII. POTC2 won all the polls.

Thats true, i think SR only finished number one on SSH.
 
skruloos said:
That must make James Cameron, Ridley Scott, Peter Jackson, or any other director worth their salt in need of psychiatric help too. Or like every other fanboy who knows exactly how the character is supposed to be done for that matter.


Ummm LMAO no Singer is not even in the same ballpark as these directors no matter how much you want him to be with your DOSV tripe in your sig.

Any of them would have delivered a Superman movie that would have competed with POTC2 and possibly even beat it at the BO while Singers SR fell flat in the face of POTC2.
And no POTC2 was not in any way shape or form the reason SR did not do well I am sooo sick of that sad excuse for a poorly done movie.
 
dpm07 said:
Superman Returns is a horrible film by a man who seriously needs psychiatric help for his overinflated ego and arrogance. Not to mention his inability to connect with reality and realize that Superman is more than just the Donner film, it is the source material from tv shows, comics, other media, etc.

Bryan Singer did a horrible injustice to what should have been a given goldmine, and he turned it into a film of epic boredom.

This atrocious argument about 'help' you keep bringing up is driving Supes to.........


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I saw the movie awhile ago and personally I enjoyed it. This was THE movie I wanted to see this year because Superman is my favorite comic book hero and that I had wanted a new movie to come out for some time. Getting all the bias out of the way, there were things I didn't particularly care for in the movie: Lex's plot being too similar to the first movie, the kryptonite in New Krypton when Superman was flying it out into space, and the fact that the Kryptonite didn't kill Superman when he was stabbed with it. But I also had some things I loved: The plane rescue, the part where Lex's cronies beat the crap out of Superman (one of the most powerful scenes IMO in the whole movie), and Superman reciting the same speech to the kid at the end (again with the goosebumps). But I would say that the biggest impact the movie had on me was that I stuck to a central theme (for the most part).

Life. Living. Being Born again. However you want to put it.

Think about it. Superman returns to Earth after leaving for some time. When he comes back, he is born again into the minds of the people. He becomes the hero he used to be in the minds of the citizens of Metropolis. Also, Lex's own orchestrated fortunes allow him to be born again in a sense that he now has the knowledge and funding to once again gain the precious land he desired, at the cost of destroying the US as we know it. The kid himself signifies life in that he's the part of Superman that was left behind with Lois, and whom Superman himself finds out who the boy really is. The creation of life between Lois and himself.

But all that got me thinking. Why so cliche' at times with the story? Why a direction that served as a mirror (in most aspects) to the very first Superman movie? I began to think that for most people, it would be hard to write a restart (not reboot) story without pulling alot of familiar elements and injecting some controversial ideas to form it into a centralized theme. But, I feel that it sets up well for a sequel in that they can tackle a theme on the total opposite of the spectrum.

Death.

I remember reading the Death of Superman arc in comics, and found them to be some of my favorite of the entire series. Introducing a villain in the next movie, who not unlike Doomsday, would force Superman to resort to a force he hasn't had to previously in the current medium (movies) I think would be a brilliant way to take the franchise. In the comics when Doomsday appeared he tore up the JLA like it was nothing. Superman himself even told Lois at one point that to defeat Doomsday he had to be every bit as brutal and relentless as he. It could show a side of Superman that we haven't seen in the movies (aside from the Bad Superman). They could have the result of the comic (Superman and Doomsday killing each other) or even alter it a bit to have supes live or whatever, but I think it could be done and done well. Even with Singer.

And the last thing I thought about was Singer. Sure, the movie has gotten it's fair share of criticism and applause. But I see this movie more like the first movie in the X-Men series, in that it introduces us to his vision of Superman and leaves something to build on. Sure it has it's warts and all, but it's a springboard for more to build on.

I apologize for the long post, but I just thought I would share. Cheers.
 
I saw this movie again, and I must say....I LOVE THE OPENING CREDITS!!! Flying threw space, what could be funner?
 
AVEITWITHJAMON said:
Thats true, i think SR only finished number one on SSH.
no, it didn't. XIII won on the SHH public poll.
 
Ryudoz said:
I saw the movie awhile ago and personally I enjoyed it. This was THE movie I wanted to see this year because Superman is my favorite comic book hero and that I had wanted a new movie to come out for some time. Getting all the bias out of the way, there were things I didn't particularly care for in the movie: Lex's plot being too similar to the first movie, the kryptonite in New Krypton when Superman was flying it out into space, and the fact that the Kryptonite didn't kill Superman when he was stabbed with it. But I also had some things I loved: The plane rescue, the part where Lex's cronies beat the crap out of Superman (one of the most powerful scenes IMO in the whole movie), and Superman reciting the same speech to the kid at the end (again with the goosebumps). But I would say that the biggest impact the movie had on me was that I stuck to a central theme (for the most part).

Life. Living. Being Born again. However you want to put it.

Think about it. Superman returns to Earth after leaving for some time. When he comes back, he is born again into the minds of the people. He becomes the hero he used to be in the minds of the citizens of Metropolis. Also, Lex's own orchestrated fortunes allow him to be born again in a sense that he now has the knowledge and funding to once again gain the precious land he desired, at the cost of destroying the US as we know it. The kid himself signifies life in that he's the part of Superman that was left behind with Lois, and whom Superman himself finds out who the boy really is. The creation of life between Lois and himself.

But all that got me thinking. Why so cliche' at times with the story? Why a direction that served as a mirror (in most aspects) to the very first Superman movie? I began to think that for most people, it would be hard to write a restart (not reboot) story without pulling alot of familiar elements and injecting some controversial ideas to form it into a centralized theme. But, I feel that it sets up well for a sequel in that they can tackle a theme on the total opposite of the spectrum.

Death.

I remember reading the Death of Superman arc in comics, and found them to be some of my favorite of the entire series. Introducing a villain in the next movie, who not unlike Doomsday, would force Superman to resort to a force he hasn't had to previously in the current medium (movies) I think would be a brilliant way to take the franchise. In the comics when Doomsday appeared he tore up the JLA like it was nothing. Superman himself even told Lois at one point that to defeat Doomsday he had to be every bit as brutal and relentless as he. It could show a side of Superman that we haven't seen in the movies (aside from the Bad Superman). They could have the result of the comic (Superman and Doomsday killing each other) or even alter it a bit to have supes live or whatever, but I think it could be done and done well. Even with Singer.

And the last thing I thought about was Singer. Sure, the movie has gotten it's fair share of criticism and applause. But I see this movie more like the first movie in the X-Men series, in that it introduces us to his vision of Superman and leaves something to build on. Sure it has it's warts and all, but it's a springboard for more to build on.

I apologize for the long post, but I just thought I would share. Cheers.

Excellent post, a good read and you make some really observations on the movie.
 

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