Superman Returns Official Rate and Review Superman Returns thread!!!

[GarudA]

Well i think any moviewould have struggled against POTC 2, especially a movie that is essentially meant to be the start of a new franchise.

Yes thats why movies like Miami Vice and Garfield are doing much better then SR in places like Germany.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yes thats why movies like Miami Vice and Garfield are doing much better in places like Germany.

Miami Vice is a Michael Mann movie starring two well known actors, they may not be stars, but Farrell and Fox are well known as is Mann. And Garfield is catered specifically to kids, of course its going to be successful in the summer holidays.

 

[GarudA]

Miami Vice is a Michael Mann movie starring two well known actors, they may not be stars, but Farrell and Fox are well known as is Mann. And Garfield is catered specifically to kids, of course its going to be successful in the summer holidays.

If we were to follow your logic then movies like Harry Potter,Spider-Man would of done not what it had and movies like Oceans 11/12 should done huge.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

If we were to follow your logic then movies like Harry Potter,Spider-Man would of done not what it had and movies like Oceans 11/12 should done huge.

Not true at all, HP and SM were made to cater for all audiences, and both have an in built fan base that is made up of all ages. And as far as i remember, Oceans 11 and 12 were not released in the summer, i may be mistaken but i remember here Oceans 12 was released in January, which is a month that not many go to the pictures.

 

[GarudA]

Not true at all, HP and SM were made to cater for all audiences.

So who was Superman Returns aimed at the Adults only? Give me a break, I was sick of seeing Superman toys everywhere, a friend works at Woolworths was telling me how poorly the SR toys for kids was selling. The WB wanted this movie to also be aimed at kids but Bryan singer made a Dark Romantic comedy.

and both have an in built fan base that is made up of all ages.

So Superman has no fanbase? The comics? The Tv shows? The S merchandise?...ect

And as far as i remember, Oceans 11 and 12 were not released in the summer, i may be mistaken but i remember here Oceans 12 was released in January, which is a month that not many go to the pictures

So thats why it did not make 1 billion worldwide, they should of released it in the Summer. (Sarcasm)

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

So who was Superman Returns aimed at the Adults only? Give me a break, I was sick of seeing Superman toys everywhere, a friend works at Woolworths was telling me how poorly the SR toys for kids was selling. The WB wanted this movie to also be aimed at kids but Bryan singer made a Dark Romantic comedy.

Well you just said it, Singer made a darker movie so children were not interested in it, also some parents would not want their kids to watch scene's like the beating on NK. Spiderman or HP are no were near as dark as SR was.

So Superman has no fanbase? The comics? The Tv shows? The S merchandise?...ect

Yes, Superman does have a built in fan base, but its not as big as Spidey's or HP's, and evidently many fans were dissapointed in SR.

So thats why it did not make 1 billion worldwide, they should of released it in the Summer. (Sarcasm)

Well it would have made more money in the summer wouldnt it?

 

[AgentPat]

Well i think any moviewould have struggled against POTC 2, especially a movie that is essentially meant to be the start of a new franchise.

SR opened in Germany at #2 on 8/17. That week (8/17-23), it had a per theater average of $4,079 from 618 engagements. The following week (8/25-31), it dropped 64% to #5, which placed it BEHIND "Garfield 2" and German rom-com "Trennung Mit Hindernissen," both of which opened a week *before* SR. That same week, SR made an average of $1,447 per engagement, which placed it at #11, just ahead of The Da Vinci Code, a film that opened FIFTEEN weeks earlier.

C'mon folks. Even X-M3 opened with a higher per theater average ($7,749), dropped less in its sophomore sesh (49%) *and* it was going head to head with DVC, not to mention the World Cup. PotC2 opened in Germany in JULY. Honestly, I think fans need to stop blaming other films for SR's underperformance and focus on the real issues: the film itself.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^ Well i LOVE the movie, so what now?

 

[Venom71]

SR opened in Germany at #2 on 8/17. That week (8/17-23), it had a per theater average of $4,079 from 618 engagements. The following week (8/25-31), it dropped 64% to #5, which placed it BEHIND "Garfield 2" and German rom-com "Trennung Mit Hindernissen," both of which opened a week *before* SR. That same week, SR made an average of $1,447 per engagement, which placed it at #11, just ahead of The Da Vinci Code, a film that opened FIFTEEN weeks earlier.

C'mon folks. Even X-M3 opened with a higher per theater average ($7,749), dropped less in its sophomore sesh (49%) *and* it was going head to head with DVC, not to mention the World Cup. PotC2 opened in Germany in JULY. Honestly, I think fans need to stop blaming other films for SR's underperformance and focus on the real issues: the film itself.

Which IMHO was a great movie and I can't wait for the sequel...I really don't care how much it makes at the Box Office...as has been stated before....Big Box Office does not equal quality..if so Titanic would be the greatest movie ever made and IMO it isn't even close.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Which IMHO was a great movie and I can't wait for the sequel...I really don't care how much it makes at the Box Office...as has been stated before....Big Box Office does not equal quality..if so Titanic would be the greatest movie ever made and IMO it isn't even close.

Couldnt have put it better myself . People do like this movie, whether the people who disliked can accept that or not.

I know at least 10 people who not only liked it, but LOVED it.

 

[GarudA]

Which IMHO was a great movie and I can't wait for the sequel...I really don't care how much it makes at the Box Office...as has been stated before....Big Box Office does not equal quality..if so Titanic would be the greatest movie ever made and IMO it isn't even close.

Nobody is saying the Boxoffice take is what makes the movie great. We are just saying if this movie was so good as people claim it to be? This is Superman we are talking about Not Daredevil or the Hulk. What made people not want to see the movie? Some will say, oh what about pirated bootlegs and late release. But if this movie was good and people saw a pirate copy, they would of went and saw it in the theater experience and told other people to go and see it.

We are saying the Boxoffice numbers are reflecting what the movie is which is poor. WB would of not of invested so much money into SR if they knew the outcome. They were expected at least 600ml+ worldwide, matter of fact most people on the hype were saying it would be Huge because it is Superman.

A movie like Batman doing not huge numbers can be expected, as Batman is dark character who does not relate to everyone and Begins was not a bright flick like Spiderman was and not to forget the bad movies pre it's release. Superman is at the same level as Spiderman in mass appeal maybe more. Superman is not a dark charecter, Bryan Singer did a bad job with portraying Superman, his vision was a bad blurry vision.

 

[AgentPat]

^ Well i LOVE the movie, so what now?

What's that have to do with the post I replied to?

I really don't care how much it makes at the Box Office...

You should care. It represents how well a film is received by the general audience and hence becomes a gauge by which studios and exhibitors predict the performance of future titles within that genre or franchise.

Excerpt from Variety, 9/4/06:

This summer already has many studio execs questioning last year's conventional wisdom that tentpoles with global appeal and low-budget indies are the future of the biz. This summer, there were only four unambiguously successful tentpoles -- "Pirates," "Cars," "X-Men: the Last Stand" and "The Da Vinci Code." Warner Bros., the studio that embraced the tentpole strategy most wholeheartedly, had the toughest time. "Poseidon" and "Lady in the Water" were clear failures, while the mega-budgeted "Superman Returns" was only a so-so performer.​

Big Box Office does not equal quality...

Nobody's arguing that. At the end of the day, the single most important thing to a studio is PROFIT. That's why sequels to flicks like "Jackass" are greenlit in a cocaine heartbeat, but movies like SR are forced to wait till the home video release figures before the studio will actually put their money where their mouth is.

What it comes down to I think is that IF a studio feels it can make a better PROFIT from producing four $50M films with the potential of spinning off sequel(s), why should they risk putting all their eggs in one basket with one $200M film, regardless of its franchise history? I think this might be the crossroads we're at right now, but I've been wrong before.

My apologies for going off topic in this thread.

 

[Venom71]

Nobody is saying the Boxoffice take is what makes the movie great. We are just saying if this movie was so good as people claim it to be? This is Superman we are talking about Not Daredevil or the Hulk. What made people not want to see the movie? Some will say, oh what about pirated bootlegs and late release. But if this movie was good and people saw a pirate copy, they would of went and saw it in the theater experience and told other people to go and see it.

We are saying the Boxoffice numbers are reflecting what the movie is which is poor. WB would of not of invested so much money into SR if they knew the outcome. They were expected at least 600ml+ worldwide, matter of fact most people on the hype were saying it would be Huge because it is Superman.

A movie like Batman doing not huge numbers can be expected, as Batman is dark character who does not relate to everyone and Begins was not a bright flick like Spiderman was and not to forget the bad movies pre it's release. Superman is at the same level as Spiderman in mass appeal maybe more. Superman is not a dark charecter, Bryan Singer did a bad job with portraying Superman, his vision was a bad blurry vision.

And if SR was making POTC2 box office numbers would you still say it was poor? I never thought it was going to do $400 Mil at the box office..I figured around $200 Mil.

 

[GarudA]

And if SR was making POTC2 box office numbers would you still say it was poor? I never thought it was going to do $400 Mil at the box office..I figured around $200 Mil.

If it was a different Superman movie that was good then no. But if it was SR then yes, because one can see the reason why it is not doing POTC numbers when one views SR.

 

[Bishop2]

If was a different movie that was good then no. But if it was SR then No, because one can see the reason why it is not doing POTC numbers when one views SR.

I've seen tons of great movies bomb at the box office and tons of ****ty movies rake in the phat cash. Good and bad are purely subjective.

However, I did think SR sucked pretty bad. I wish it had done far worse than it did, though. Alas.

 

[Venom71]

If it was a different Superman movie that was good then no. But if it was SR then yes, because one can see the reason why it is not doing POTC numbers when one views SR.

See that is a matter of opinion.....I think it was a great movie and I hope it does well on DVD because I really want a sequel.

 

[GarudA]

I've seen tons of great movies bomb at the box office and tons of ****ty movies rake in the phat cash. Good and bad are purely subjective.

However, I did think SR sucked pretty bad. I wish it had done far worse than it did, though. Alas.

I do understand what you mean, but SR is failing because of bad word of mouth, if it was a good movie that appealed to the masses it would of done better then it is. Singer vision was a dark blurry vision which the public did not like.

 

[GarudA]

See that is a matter of opinion.....I think it was a great movie and I hope it does well on DVD because I really want a sequel.

Yes it is indeed a opinion. Like the people who blame the movies bad boxoffice on bad release date, bad marketing, the length of the movie..ect because they cannot understand as to why such a great movie to them is doing not so great.

 

[SuperDaniel]

I give this movie a 7 and i`m being very kind. Its just not the Superman movie worth the 20 years of wait.

The world needed a movie like Superman for all seasons, wich isn`t and is at the same time an origin movie, not Superman Returns. Everytime I read this comic i feel more disappointed with SR. Superman year one that shows WHY Superman is the way he is and not Christ in a cape. Not a wannabe romance movie that just doesn`t work. So many flaws and plot holes. A movie about old boyfriends returning to your life??? WTF?!?!?! Superman is not just romance!!

I love Superman the movie but a sequel to a movie thats 25 years old simply doesn`t work. Thats why it bombed in the box office.

 

[skruloos]

I do understand what you mean, but SR is failing because of bad word of mouth, if it was a good movie that appealed to the masses it would of done better then it is. Singer vision was a dark blurry vision which the public did not like.

There's a bit of a nitpick here, however. Appealing to the masses doesn't necessarily make something good. If you want to judge quality by mass appeal, then the Backstreet Boys must have been the pinnacle of music in the 90's.

The biggest moneymaking film in history is Titanic which, by most people's standards, is a so-so film. And yet, The Shawshank Redemption which hits the top of a lot of critics' lists bombed at the box office. It's all relative.

 

[GarudA]

There's a bit of a nitpick here, however. Appealing to the masses doesn't necessarily make something good. If you want to judge quality by mass appeal, then the Backstreet Boys must have been the pinnacle of music in the 90's.

The biggest moneymaking film in history is Titanic which, by most people's standards, is a so-so film. And yet, The Shawshank Redemption which hits the top of a lot of critics' lists bombed at the box office. It's all relative.

This is just futile, people really should read what I had typed before saying anything, I had stated the reasons why it is failing to the masses. Like I said a before, this is Superman this is not your average movie to judge if it is good or not. Superman has mass appeal, this is the reason why he was, is popular. But why is the movie failing? Why do the most the public don't want to see it? To them it is not a good movie to see.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

This is just futile, people really should read what I had typed before saying anything, I had stated the reasons why it is failing to the masses. Like I said a before, this is Superman this is not your average movie to judge if it is good or not. Superman has mass appeal, this is the reason why he was, is popular. But why is the movie failing? Why do the most the public don't want to see it? To them it is not a good movie to see.

See how do you know all that you are stating? X3 made a ton of money at the box office, yet 90% of people i know who saw it thought it was crap, just because a movie does or doesnt make money doesnt mean it is a bad movie and that people dont want to see it. If X3 or POTC didnt have such popular predecessors that are quite fresh in peoples minds then they wouldnt have made the money they did, simple as.

SR was a semi sequel to a movie that, despite being well known, isnt that popular outside of the fan base. Everyone knows the Reeve movies, but if you did a survey on the street a lot of people would say they either disliked them or cant remember them. IMO, i think out of all the movies coming out this summer, SR had the toughest job of pulling in the crowds than any other movie.

 

[GarudA]

See how do you know all that you are stating? X3 made a ton of money at the box office, yet 90% of people i know who saw it thought it was crap, just because a movie does or doesnt make money doesnt mean it is a bad movie and that people dont want to see it. If X3 or POTC didnt have such popular predecessors that are quite fresh in peoples minds then they wouldnt have made the money they did, simple as.

SR was a semi sequel to a movie that, despite being well known, isnt that popular outside of the fan base. Everyone knows the Reeve movies, but if you did a survey on the street a lot of people would say they either disliked them or cant remember them. IMO, i think out of all the movies coming out this summer, SR had the toughest job of pulling in the crowds than any other movie.

X3 did not make a ton of money, it was just "Ok". X3 had a AMAZING opening, the reason for this is the trailers and whole look of the movie made the movie goers want to see it. But the weeks after it started to fall, "maybe" do to bad word of mouth. But did Superman Returns have that type of look and interest to make people want to see it in it's first week? Simply no, what did it make in it's first week domestic boxoffice $52ml? Sorry but even tho X3 was not great it still did double what SR did.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

X3 did not make a ton of money, it was just "Ok". X3 had a AMAZING opening, the reason for this is the trailers and whole look of the movie made the movie goers want to see it. But the weeks after it started to fall, "maybe" do to bad word of mouth. But did Superman Returns have that type of look and interest to make people want to see it in it's first week? Simply no, what did it make in it's first week domestic boxoffice $52ml? Sorry but even tho X3 was not great it still did double what SR did.

SR had the World Cup to go up against in most countries, add to that the fact that it came out at a time when kids were still in school.

And anyway that wasnt my point, my point was, just because a movie makes money, doesnt mean that the general audience liked the actual movie once they saw it.

 

[Showtime]

SR had the World Cup to go up against in most countries, add to that the fact that it came out at a time when kids were still in school.

And anyway that wasnt my point, my point was, just because a movie makes money, doesnt mean that the general audience liked the actual movie once they saw it.

Listen man, the bottom line is that SR didn't resonate with the general public because of the expecations of a supervillian and action involving said supervillian. It doesn't matter if you liked it or I liked it, it didn't reach the moviegoers like it should have.