Official 'The Hobbit' Thread - Part 2

[dark_b]

I agree. It is a WETA production, after all.

i understand having a trailer with the same studio. but a effects company?

 

[Boom]

Tintin was also produced by Peter Jackson.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

And Peter Jackson OWNS WETA - so he sort of owns Tin Tin too...

 

[Boom]

Crews are currently setting up in Matamata in preparation for the Hobbiton shoot - which will last for fifteen days (ending before November 8th).

Also...

Beorn's House ?

Spoiler

 

[brett66]

Beorn's sandtrap

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

I wonder which movie Bilbo's encounter with Smaug will be in. The first or the second? In any case, I hope it's as epic as it was in the animated version.

 

[WarBlade]

Teaser will probably be with TinTin - That's my guess.

The teaser will NOT be with Tintin (unless it is contracted to run on opposition product at the cinema level, which for a release that is still a year away is highly unlikely). As far as I know, the only connection the two movies have production-wise is WingNut Films.

I agree. It is a WETA production, after all.

The Hobbit is a 3 Foot 7 production, and by the looks of things will be distributed under the Warner Brothers banner with New Line producing. WETA is an effects company - they're quite different.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

And Peter Jackson OWNS WETA - so he sort of owns Tin Tin too...

Moulinsart SA owns TinTin.

 

[dark_b]

And Peter Jackson OWNS WETA - so he sort of owns Tin Tin too...

an effects company owns a movie? Transformers are from ILM? so George Lucas owns TF?

 

[kedrell]

I wonder which movie Bilbo's encounter with Smaug will be in. The first or the second? In any case, I hope it's as epic as it was in the animated version.

This is a big question of mine as well but I'd be very suprised if Smaug is finished off in the first movie. He's the main baddie of The Hobbit so I can't see him not making it into film #2. I imagine we'll see him only in flashbacks of the dwarve's tales of how he drove them away in the first film.

I also agree that he was portrayed great in the cartoon.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Yeah I think we'll only see him through flashback in the first part. Smaug is something to anticipate for the audience when waiting for Part 2.

 

[kedrell]

Anyone got an idea of where the split will come between the two films?

 

[kedrell]

Yeah I think we'll only see him through flashback in the first part. Smaug is something to anticipate for the audience when waiting for Part 2.

Personally I think of the confrontation and end of Smaug & the Battle or the Five armies will play out similar to the Balrog scene & the final showdown with the Uruks in FOTR. At least time-wise as to where it ends up in the second film.

 

[the amazing fro]

Anyone got an idea of where the split will come between the two films?

I reckon either before or after Mirkwood though if I was a betting man I would say after. The fight with the spiders could prove to be quite climatic. The opening of the second movie would probably be the barrel sequence which is an awesome way to start a movie IMO.

Bilbo and Smaug's meeting will not be in the first movie that much I can guarantee. If Jackson does that he literally has nothing for the second movie unless the battle of the five armies happens to be an hour long.

The problem is that the White Council scenes have to be added and there is no real way of telling which scenes will be in which movie. Jackson'll probably play with the timelines a bit.

 

[Superhero 101]

I am guessing Mirkwood

 

[marvelrobbins]

My feeling Is ending of film 1 will eather be Bilbo seeing the dwarves being captured by
wood Elves,or Bilbo using the ring rescues the dwarves.It also depends on how much of
the white Council storyline Is In film 1.There Is slim possibilty of ending film one with
Gandalf leaving Bilbo and the dwarves and they beguin to go alone.That would mirror
endings of fellowship of the rings and the Two Towers.But,My bet Is Bilbo's fight with the
Spiders,Gandalf meeting with white Council to prepare for attack on Mirkwood,and Bilbo
seeing The Dwarves being taken by the wood elves Is how film 1 will end.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

Moulinsart SA owns TinTin.

What's your point?

The teaser will NOT be with Tintin (unless it is contracted to run on opposition product at the cinema level, which for a release that is still a year away is highly unlikely). As far as I know, the only connection the two movies have production-wise is WingNut Films.

WingNut Films is Jackson's company, as is WETA, he is Producing and Assistant Directing TinTin and Directing and Producing The Hobbit - with trailer for Hobbit being shown with TinTin it also works as a double incentive for people to see either film; those watching TinTin are a type of audience that will most likely be intrigued by the Hobbit, and the fanboys of the Hobbit will probably want to see the trailer on the big screen (attached to TinTin).

With the position Jackson holds in this film, you don't think that holds enough reason for the trailer to be attached to TinTin?

an effects company owns a movie? Transformers are from ILM? so George Lucas owns TF?

Yeah... because that's exactly what I said, right?

 

[Yodaman]

All Asteroid-Man and other are saying is that, if there is to be a Hobbit trailer coming out with the fall movies, the most logical guess at what movie it would be attached to would be Tintin. No one is saying that it's an absolute guarantee or anything.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

They're really working hard making this movie. It's really the only guarantee for an epic film I have of watching in 2012. The theater's going to be absolutely packed when The Hobbit comes out! Not to say I'm not excited for a lot of films next year, but sometimes movies are just wasted potential.

 

[WarBlade]

I reckon either before or after Mirkwood though if I was a betting man I would say after. The fight with the spiders could prove to be quite climatic. The opening of the second movie would probably be the barrel sequence which is an awesome way to start a movie IMO.

I think Mirkwood is going to be such a huge part of the story that the transition could be somewhere in the middle of the Mirkwood sequences. There is the long journey, the encounter with the spiders, a bit more stumbling around in the dark, the encounter with the elves, the start of the barrel ride, and there are clues indicating we might see the battle at Dol Guldur. That lot could be two hours worth when tallied up, so I can't see Mirkwood being one side or other of the dividing line, but actually straddling it.

What's your point?

The point that we've been highlighting for you is that WETA is not a production company. WETA Workshop and WETA Digital are companies hired by production companies to complete visuals etc. for movies. WETA does not have any involvement with trailer distribution.

WingNut Films is Jackson's company, as is WETA, he is Producing and Assistant Directing TinTin and Directing and Producing The Hobbit - with trailer for Hobbit being shown with TinTin it also works as a double incentive for people to see either film; those watching TinTin are a type of audience that will most likely be intrigued by the Hobbit, and the fanboys of the Hobbit will probably want to see the trailer on the big screen (attached to TinTin).

As I've already said, there will probably not be a Hobbit trailer on Tintin. The fact that Jackson had involvement with both movies is entirely beside the point. The two movies are from two competing companies.

With the position Jackson holds in this film, you don't think that holds enough reason for the trailer to be attached to TinTin?

Zero reason.

 

[WarBlade]

All Asteroid-Man and other are saying is that, if there is to be a Hobbit trailer coming out with the fall movies, the most logical guess at what movie it would be attached to would be Tintin. No one is saying that it's an absolute guarantee or anything.

The most logical guess.... There was only the most flawed logic in that guess.

The Hobbit, and trailers for The Hobbit, are Warner Brothers distributed content. If there is a hardlocked trailer for The Hobbit on anything it will be with a Warner Brothers release and that release will be suitable for a mature audience.

 

[the amazing fro]

I think Mirkwood is going to be such a huge part of the story that the transition could be somewhere in the middle of the Mirkwood sequences. There is the long journey, the encounter with the spiders, a bit more stumbling around in the dark, the encounter with the elves, the start of the barrel ride, and there are clues indicating we might see the battle at Dol Guldur. That lot could be two hours worth when tallied up, so I can't see Mirkwood being one side or other of the dividing line, but actually straddling it.

I don't think the whole mirkwood sequence would take two hours. Jackson would have to add a bunch of filler to make it that long. The battle of Dol Guldur will more than likely play some part in the first films climax. To have it at the start of the second movie would seem distracting. I reckon the battle will be intercut with the battle with the spiders. Then they are captured by the elves and then it ending on a cliffhanger. That to me feels like a natural place to end the first film and a great place to start the second. I think this gives Jackson plenty of time to whack the majority of the white council stuff in the first film while still fitting within three hours.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

I think Mirkwood is going to be such a huge part of the story that the transition could be somewhere in the middle of the Mirkwood sequences. There is the long journey, the encounter with the spiders, a bit more stumbling around in the dark, the encounter with the elves, the start of the barrel ride, and there are clues indicating we might see the battle at Dol Guldur. That lot could be two hours worth when tallied up, so I can't see Mirkwood being one side or other of the dividing line, but actually straddling it.



The point that we've been highlighting for you is that WETA is not a production company. WETA Workshop and WETA Digital are companies hired by production companies to complete visuals etc. for movies. WETA does not have any involvement with trailer distribution.



As I've already said, there will probably not be a Hobbit trailer on Tintin. The fact that Jackson had involvement with both movies is entirely beside the point. The two movies are from two competing companies.



Zero reason.

I didn't say WETA was a production company... Did I? Go back up and re-read my comments without making a presumption. Weta, Wingnut and Jackson are all reasons for the trailer; Production company does NOT dictate everything when it comes to which trailer will be with what film (TDKR trailer will premiere with MI4 after all, and that's a Paramount film... what's the commonality between the two? They were shot on IMAX, so the TDKR trailer and prologue will be played in IMAX with MI4).

Instead of trying to show me as a pompus fool, how about you stop assuming things, you sit back and recognise that it is very likely for the trailer to be shown with TinTin.

I'm not saying it WILL be TinTin, I'm just saying that it is very likely because of the effects company (WETA), the co-production company (Wingnut), the Director/Producer (Jackson), the timing (compared to the trailer for Fellowship prior to the theatrical release) and hell even the genre of TinTin/Hobbit (Action/Adventure Epic).

Those are all valid reasons to compete with simply the production company.

 

[WarBlade]

I didn't say WETA was a production company... Did I?

Not explicitly, but when you asked "What's your point?" in reply to Monsieur Xavier's correction, you've indicated that you misunderstand the roles of these companies. I've tried to elaborate and you still don't appear to understand.

Weta, Wingnut and Jackson are all reasons for the trailer;

This is incorrect. None of those three have any bearing on where the trailer will be seen.

Production company does NOT dictate everything when it comes to which trailer will be with what film (TDKR trailer will premiere with MI4 after all, and that's a Paramount film... what's the commonality between the two? They were shot on IMAX, so the TDKR trailer and prologue will be played in IMAX with MI4).

Instead of trying to show me as a pompus fool, how about you stop assuming things, you sit back and recognise that it is very likely for the trailer to be shown with TinTin.

I'm not saying it WILL be TinTin, I'm just saying that it is very likely because of the effects company (WETA), the co-production company (Wingnut), the Director/Producer (Jackson), the timing (compared to the trailer for Fellowship prior to the theatrical release) and hell even the genre of TinTin/Hobbit (Action/Adventure Epic).

Those are all valid reasons to compete with simply the production company.

I'm not the one making assumptions. I'm the one just pointing out that your assumptions are incorrect.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

I didn't say WETA was a production company... Did I? Go back up and re-read my comments without making a presumption. Weta, Wingnut and Jackson are all reasons for the trailer; Production company does NOT dictate everything when it comes to which trailer will be with what film (TDKR trailer will premiere with MI4 after all, and that's a Paramount film... what's the commonality between the two? They were shot on IMAX, so the TDKR trailer and prologue will be played in IMAX with MI4).

Instead of trying to show me as a pompus fool, how about you stop assuming things, you sit back and recognise that it is very likely for the trailer to be shown with TinTin.

I'm not saying it WILL be TinTin, I'm just saying that it is very likely because of the effects company (WETA), the co-production company (Wingnut), the Director/Producer (Jackson), the timing (compared to the trailer for Fellowship prior to the theatrical release) and hell even the genre of TinTin/Hobbit (Action/Adventure Epic).

Those are all valid reasons to compete with simply the production company.

Not explicitly, but when you asked "What's your point?" in reply to Monsieur Xavier's correction, you've indicated that you misunderstand the roles of these companies. I've tried to elaborate and you still don't appear to understand.



This is incorrect. None of those three have any bearing on where the trailer will be seen.



I'm not the one making assumptions. I'm the one just pointing out that your assumptions are incorrect.

Everytime I see a new post I excitedly check here for news, but it turns out to be you guys still arguing. Can we stop?