Official 'The Hobbit' Thread - Part 7

[redhawk23]

Well I think the models them selves and the movement and animation of the cg characters have certainly improved, the problem is composition within the main image and also that they have a lot more CG sets in this one.

 

[redhawk23]

Caesar had some iffy moments, but Maurice was, dare I say it, perfect

There was a point in the film when I actually thought to my self, "Man, its weird that they would cg all the chimps and the gorilla but then used a trained orangutan..." And then suddenly it hit me and I was completely flabbergasted.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Bad CGi has never ruined a film for me, I'm far more concerned with bad plotting, dialogue costumes or make up and prostetics. I guess because CGI is a crapshoot and never looks perfect anyway.

 

[Project862006]

^not even i am legend

 

[CoolCadaver49]

^not even i am legend

The bad CGI didn't ruin that movie (there were other problems) but it did bother me. I think bad CGI only bothers me when there is an obvious practical alternative. I mean, why not just guys in makeup? It'd be a lot better than a bunch of low-res Gollums chasing Will Smith around NY.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Watching that Goblin clip again made me appreciate James Cameron's work even more. Say what you will about Avatar but his CG creations had weight.

 

[CoolCadaver49]

Idk, maybe I'm not good at judging CGI, but nothing in Avatar seemed that impressive to me. I watched it in 2D though, does that make any kind of difference?

 

[Kirmit]

Personally I see nothing wrong with the goblin clip, maybe I'm just easy to please.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

It's been nearly three years and the CG of Avatar still hasn't been topped. I still vividly remember the first scene of the Zoe Saldana Na'vi, thinking that the little flickers and nuances of emotion in her eyes and face were the best CG special effect I had ever seen.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It's been nearly three years and the CG of Avatar still hasn't been topped. I still vividly remember the first scene of the Zoe Saldana Na'vi, thinking that the little flickers and nuances of emotion in her eyes and face were the best CG special effect I had ever seen.

It has been nearly 20 years and no one has topped Spielberg's T-Rex.

 

[dark_b]

It's been nearly three years and the CG of Avatar still hasn't been topped. I still vividly remember the first scene of the Zoe Saldana Na'vi, thinking that the little flickers and nuances of emotion in her eyes and face were the best CG special effect I had ever seen.

its been 3 years since Avatar a movie that IMO cost over 400 millions was realesed. for a single movie. not a trilogy. yes i still think that its that expensive. and the movie had a long post production time.

so IMO its 3 years since people have not accepted that no director will get the money and time that Cameron got in 2007,2008 and 2009.

you can not get Avatar detailed effects with normal budgets. you need a super mega budget.

 

[HowardStark]

It's been nearly three years and the CG of Avatar still hasn't been topped. I still vividly remember the first scene of the Zoe Saldana Na'vi, thinking that the little flickers and nuances of emotion in her eyes and face were the best CG special effect I had ever seen.

Avatar has great effects and all but compared to LOTR its not really that revolutionary. I say this because if not for Rings it likely wouldn't been made.
I will also agree that the Goblins are not quite like the Rings ones but then again The Wolves in the later scene looked lots better then Wargs. I see in these Goblins allot of Deltoro really. Bolg looks like a Jackson one yes but easily could be Deltoro. I am quite sure Deltoro was involved in creature design as well as certain places.

 

[HowardStark]

It has been nearly 20 years and no one has topped Spielberg's T-Rex.

Animatronic can look very real and Jurassic Park had great designers. ILM is very good at creature design. Its why Star Wars ET and so on was good too.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Avatar has great effects and all but compared to LOTR its not really that revolutionary. I say this because if not for Rings it likely wouldn't been made.
I will also agree that the Goblins are not quite like the Rings ones but then again The Wolves in the later scene looked lots better then Wargs. I see in these Goblins allot of Deltoro really. Bolg looks like a Jackson one yes but easily could be Deltoro. I am quite sure Deltoro was involved in creature design as well as certain places.

What are you talking about? Cameron was always going to make Avatar, because James Cameron wanted to make Avatar and he is James Cameron. Just look at the movie about a boat that cost so much for proof.

Your need to prop up these films is really playing with reality.

Animatronic can look very real and Jurassic Park had great designers. ILM is very good at creature design. Its why Star Wars ET and so on was good too.

Ok, really, really? First District 9, then Avatar and now this?

I am talking about the CGI shots of the T-Rex that were apparently so good you didn't even know they existed.

 

[Marvolo]

Avatar has great effects and all but compared to LOTR its not really that revolutionary. I say this because if not for Rings it likely wouldn't been made.
I will also agree that the Goblins are not quite like the Rings ones but then again The Wolves in the later scene looked lots better then Wargs. I see in these Goblins allot of Deltoro really. Bolg looks like a Jackson one yes but easily could be Deltoro. I am quite sure Deltoro was involved in creature design as well as certain places.

James Cameron wrote the first treatment of avatar in 1994, and considering it is James Cameron it was always going to get made. James Cameron has enough money that he could have paid the budget of Avatar himself and still made all his money back and he designs and develops his own methods and tech. LOTR played very little, if any, part in Avatar getting made.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

James Cameron wrote the first treatment of avatar in 1994, and considering it is James Cameron it is safe to say that LOTR had little part in it getting made. James Cameron has enough that he could have paid the budget of Avatar himself and still made all his money back and he designs and develops his own methods and tech.

Exactly. Avatar just took so long because Cameron was waiting and working on the tech to get it made. Too bad he didn't think a little more about the script in that time though.

 

[HowardStark]

In an interview he said hims self that Rings told him the craft was ready to start to doing Avatar and it inspired him to use Weta. Rings does not get enough credit for being amazing with all the effects it did when allot of it was by your seat test to see if would work. Cameron had a bit more budget then rings had but really any rings film was better then Avatar in overall story and acting.

 

[Marvolo]

Exactly. Avatar just took so long because Cameron was waiting and working on the tech to get it made.

Yep. Cameron always does this stuff. He spent around two years on pre-production for Titanic designing tech, equipment, and just testing and planning how to use the subs.

 

[HowardStark]

Exactly. Avatar just took so long because Cameron was waiting and working on the tech to get it made. Too bad he didn't think a little more about the script in that time though.

Truth is Avatar could have been made with the Aliens before he did them I think. Undead Pirates and Davy Jones told me that. Avatar could have been done from 2003 to 2007. Its kinda bad though took him so long to do the story.
The Concept is really Pocohantas really just in space. That kind of story could have been told with lesser effects really. If not for the aliens uploading into the beasts thing.
Yeah I am not a big Avatar fan and thats weird cause love Cameron films.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

In an interview he said hims self that Rings told him the craft was ready to start to doing Avatar and it inspired him to use Weta. Rings does not get enough credit for being amazing with all the effects it did when allot of it was by your seat test to see if would work. Cameron had a bit more budget then rings had but really any rings film was better then Avatar in overall story and acting.

That has nothing to do with what you wrote. Changing the goal post does not make your original point any more right.

The quality of films are irrelevant here. FOTR and TTT has some great work for their time. ROTK would have matched them if they had actually finished it. But lets be fair, ILM and the annoying Star Wars series blows the LOTR trilogy away in the special effects area.

TPM came out two years before any LOTR film, and it holds up better.

 

[Vartha]

There was a point in the film when I actually thought to my self, "Man, its weird that they would cg all the chimps and the gorilla but then used a trained orangutan..." And then suddenly it hit me and I was completely flabbergasted.

Rick Baker is AWESOME when it comes to Apes. I was a HUGE fan of the King Kong of the 70's. I knew all there was about the robot and was just awestruck at the attention and details to apes that he had.

 

[HowardStark]

I look forward to seeing the sequels some day for he has an interesting set up to a saga. Its just needs to work more on the story a bit. The Aliens you do like for they remind us of Native Americans in a way and Avatar has a good message in protecting forrests and what not. Its Good not great as was hoping but this can be made into a big saga.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Truth is Avatar could have been made with the Aliens before he did them I think. Undead Pirates and Davy Jones told me that. Avatar could have been done from 2003 to 2007. Its kinda bad though took him so long to do the story.
The Concept is really Pocohantas really just in space. That kind of story could have been told with lesser effects really. If not for the aliens uploading into the beasts thing.
Yeah I am not a big Avatar fan and thats weird cause love Cameron films.

Why are you bringing up the story? We all know it, I hate it. That is irrelevant. Stop propping up LOTR here. It is unnecessary. We are talking special effects.

Avatar took so long because Cameron is a freak and perfectionist. Davy Jones is amazing, but him and his undead pirates don't even come close to the work done on Avatar in terms of size and scoop. It isn't even close to a comparsion.

Cameron believes in a pre-production and post-production on par with film. With as much time and care needed to fit his vision.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Rick Baker is AWESOME when it comes to Apes. I was a HUGE fan of the King Kong of the 70's. I knew all there was about the robot and was just awestruck at the attention and details to apes that he had.

I remember when I was a kid going to see the Kong on the Universal Studio lot ride. When we got in the building (My mother didn't really believe Kong was going to be in the building) and we saw Kong my little brother jumped my entire family to get to the other side of the tram. I don't like the film all that much, but that Kong was a piece of art. One of the funniest and most terrifying experiences of my life.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

^not even i am legend

The Cgi was lame but that movie suffered a mediocre script more than anything.