Official UFC Thread - Part 3

[Project862006]

^exactly his best fight was mousasi and he loss lol

mamed khalidov imo is a better top prospect guy to fight Anderson 24-4 - lost 1 time in last 6 years

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Yeah no. Fedor only had to defend his title three times and he was given numerous cans to fight often.

I could say the same about Anderson. He's only had three fights where he was challenged and the rest were just UFC-hype garbage.

Hector Lombard is good and all but he's got an extremely padded record that is padded with lots of cans.

True, but there isn't a large pool of talent in Bellator.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

^exactly his best fight was mousasi and he loss lol

mamed khalidov imo is a better top prospect guy to fight Anderson 24-4 - lost 1 time in last 6 years

And what makes Mamed Khalidov a more dangerous opponent than Hector Lombard exactly?

At least Lombard has recognition as the best fighter outside the UFC.

 

[Project862006]

only bad comp anderson fought in his division were

Thales
Lutter
Cote

everyone else has been solid competition and earned their #1 contender status

Franklin
Sonnen
Hendo
Vitor
Marquardt
Okami

all top level competition and were all top 5 in the division when they fought Anderson

and even anderson's worst competition were not on the level of can as :

Zulu
HMC
Brett Rogers

 

[Project862006]

And what makes Mamed Khalidov a more dangerous opponent than Hector Lombard exactly?

At least Lombard has recognition as the best fighter outside the UFC.

his striking is more dangerous and more varied and unpredictable

he is a karate black belt,sambo black belt,bjj purple belt
uses his knees, kicks,elbows,punches,muy thai fighter as well,will throw flying knees out the gate

his gnp is viscous and has the takedown ability to get anderson down their if he wanted

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Sorry, but Sonnen and Okami are no different to me than Lutter, Leben, Leites and Cote.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

his striking is more dangerous and more varied and unpredictable

he is a karate black belt,sambo black belt,bjj purple belt
uses his knees, kicks,elbows,punches,muy thai fighter as well,will throw flying knees out the gate

his gnp is viscous and has the takedown ability to get anderson down their if he wanted

And Lombard's Olympic-caliber Judo skills are what exactly? Chopped liver? Please.

When it comes to striking realm, I'll take the guy who has more KOs in his career, and draws comparisons to Iron Mike.

 

[TheVileOne]

Nate Marquardt was a top five middleweight in the world when he fought Silva and a former king of Pancrase. He had won 4 straight in the UFC at that point. Franklin was the former middleweight king in the UFC. Dan Henderson was the double Pride champion.

Demian Maia at the time of his title shot was 6-1 in the UFC with his only loss being to Marquardt plus having a submission win over Chael Sonnen. He was also a late replacement for Vitor Belfort.

Belfort's a former two time UFC champion and was on a five fight winning streak including a win over the former UFC middleweight champion.

Yushin Okami was 10-2 in the UFC and he was the last guy to have a win over Silva even though it was a DQ win.

 

[Project862006]

Sorry, but Sonnen and Okami are no different to me than Lutter, Leben, Leites and Cote.

wow i am gonna have to disagree with you highly

sonnen was the universally #2 in the world when he fought anderson and is still ranked #2

he has the most top 10 wins in the mw division other than Anderson

how is that same leauge as leben lol

 

[TheVileOne]

No one is saying Lombard is bad. Sure he's good, but he's 30-2 mostly against a bunch of nobodies. His more notable wins are mostly journeyman type fighters. He's not consistently defending his title.

Sonnen earned his title shot by beating Dan Miller, Nate Marquardt, and Yushin Okami. Miller was unbeaten in the UFC and only had one previous career loss before he lost to Sonnen. Marquardt was on a three fight winning streak. And Okami's only previous loss was a 29-28 decision to the former champion Rich Franklin. Those wins are good wins.

Also being the champion means continually having to defend your belt against the top guys in your weight class. Fedor seldom if ever had to do this. He only defended his title against Nogueira after the tournament debacle and then Cro Cop. His last title defense was against Mark Hunt who was 5-2 and had just been submitted by Josh Barnett in his last fight before he got a title shot. To me that's a pretty disappointing lack of title challengers other than Big Nog and Cro Cop.

Say what you want about about Silva's opponents, but in the last five years he's defended his title 9 times. That is something Fedor can never touch.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Nate Marquardt was a top five middleweight in the world when he fought Silva and a former king of Pancrase. He had won 4 straight in the UFC at that point.

...And choked when he faced off against Anderson.

He also choked against Okami and Sonnen.

Franklin was the former middleweight king in the UFC.

Dan Henderson was the double Pride champion.

Where did I denounce these two wins?

Demian Maia at the time of his title shot was 6-1 in the UFC with his only loss being to Marquardt plus having a submission win over Chael Sonnen. He was also a late replacement for Vitor Belfort.

Point? Most of those wins came via submission. Maia (at that time) was incredibly one-dimensional. All he had to offer Silva was his ground game which became a non-factor in his bout with the champ because he had no striking to set up the takedowns.

Even Silva himself mocked Dana White for that one.

Belfort's a former two time UFC champion and was on a five fight winning streak including a win over the former UFC middleweight champion.

A former shell of himself, but still lethal. Again, where did I denounce him?

Yushin Okami was 10-2 in the UFC and he was the last guy to have a win over Silva even though it was a DQ win.

Yes, a DQ win. Meaningless. Why even mention it?

10-2 with mid-tier wrestling and striking, and uninspiring wins. Hell, he barely beat Munoz.

Lister, Starnes, Singer, MacDonald and Linhares are just more proof of how depleted the Middleweight division has been for years.

 

[Project862006]

barely beat munoz lol

fight metric says he landed 101 strikes to munoz 19

munoz went 1/15 on TD

okami was stuffing him all damn day

 

[DoomsdayApex]

No one is saying Lombard is bad. Sure he's good, but he's 30-2 mostly against a bunch of nobodies. His more notable wins are mostly journeyman type fighters. He's not consistently defending his title.

I don't disagree that his record is fluffed with 'can' wins but what can he personally do about it? He's under contract with a lesser organization.

His lost loss came via UD against Mousasi nearly six years ago, and even Gegard wanted no part of stand up aspect of the fight.

Sonnen earned his title shot by beating Dan Miller, Nate Marquardt, and Yushin Okami. Miller was unbeaten in the UFC and only had one previous career loss before he lost to Sonnen.

I cannot possibly count anything that Sonnen has done anymore now that he was caught using PEDs. So all of those wins are basically worthless to me. Who knows how long Chael has been juicing...

Also being the champion means continually having to defend your belt against the top guys in your weight class. Fedor seldom if ever had to do this. He only defended his title against Nogueira after the tournament debacle and then Cro Cop. His last title defense was against Mark Hunt who was 5-2 and had just been submitted by Josh Barnett in his last fight before he got a title shot. To me that's a pretty disappointing lack of title challengers other than Big Nog and Cro Cop. Say what you want about about Silva's opponents, but in the last five years he's defended his title 9 times. That is something Fedor can never touch.

Don't get me wrong, towards the end, there weren't that many legitimate challengers left at Pride for Fedor. His post-Pride career may have not been spectacular but at least he fought Arlovski and Sylvia (both walked away from UFC, not released).

In that aspect, Anderson does have Fedor beat.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

barely beat munoz lol

fight metric says he landed 101 strikes to munoz 19

munoz went 1/15 on TD

okami was stuffing him all damn day

I don't remember much from that uneventful and lackluster bout but from what I can recall, Okami's strikes weren't causing damage until the third came around. While Okami stuffed Munoz, I don't remember Yushin having great success taking down Mark either.

Munoz connected nicely on Okami and dropped him in the second (that probably won him the round). Okami, in turn, dropped Munoz in the third, which probably secured the win.

 

[TheVileOne]

LOL choke choke choke.

I guess Nogueira choked every time he fought Fedor than. And also Cro Cop. The rest of Cro Cop's and Nogueira's careers are meaningless because they choked against Fedor.

 

[Project862006]

really waiting for Mousasi to come to UFC he needs to be there

dude is only 26 and already has 37 mma fights not to mention 5-0 in K1

 

[DoomsdayApex]

LOL choke choke choke.

I guess Nogueira choked every time he fought Fedor than. And also Cro Cop. The rest of Cro Cop's and Nogueira's careers are meaningless because they choked against Fedor.

It's entertaining to see this level of commitment.

There have been many articles written about Marquardt's inability to deal with pressure in fights that count the most. In those three losses, Nate appeared intimidated and overwhelmed right from the start.

As Joe Rogan put it, Marquardt is just not the same guy when the pressure is on -- after losing to Okami.

Say what you about Mirko but at least Cro Cop won the Pride Grand Prix after losing to Fedor. What did Nate do? Oh that's right, he choked and never got back into a title fight.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

really waiting for Mousasi to come to UFC he needs to be there

dude is only 26 and already has 37 mma fights not to mention 5-0 in K1

Mousasi still needs more work on his TDD, but I'd love to see him in the UFC. His boxing/striking is clearly the best in the LHW division (now that Shogun is circling the drain).

My only concern is whether or not he's already burnt out as a professional fighter. Gegard seems so... disconnected when he's in the ring.

 

[TheVileOne]

Nate Marquardt was a King of Pancrase and won 10 middleweight fights in the UFC. If you win at least 10 fights in the Octagon you are pretty good.

Doomsday Apex, your argument against Sonnen is flawed. All the Pride fighters were NEVER drug tested. So who knows how long those guys were juicing while they were in Pride. Fighters in the US and the UFC we at least know are drug tested pretty regularly. Look how huge Wanderlei Silva was in 2003-2004 until later before going to the UFC.

 

[Project862006]

yeah wand was definitely on the juice in pride

 

[CrypticOne]

No doubt about that. He was mean back then. Now he's overly joyed in happiness 24/7.

 

[TheVileOne]

Who knows how long Fedor, Nogueira, or Cro Cop were juicing.

We know Josh Barnett was juicing in Japan and even the US for that matter.

Now I know it's very likely some guys are cycling and not getting caught but at least in the US and abroad with the UFC (even when they go overseas they test) we know there is some level of oversight. Where Pride was concerned there was absolutely none. So don't poopoo Chael Sonnen and then prop up the records and fighters from Pride when we know for a fact that guys like Cro Cop and Coleman participated in WORKED fights in Pride.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Sorry VileOne, that's nowhere near good enough. Either you have proof or you don't. Otherwise, you just sound like a crazed conspiracy theorist.

Point is Sonnen got caught. Deal with it.

Hey, if Nogueira's, Wanderlei's, Cro Cop's and Fedor's names pop up in a steroid investigation (with evidence) then you make a legitimate point, but right now, you're desperately seeking for straws to clutch.

It's ironic, you depise Rampage for his antics but you refuse to back down from defending a steroid-user.

 

[E-Man]

Sonnen being roided up just makes Anderson's win even better. Chael talked mad ****, dominated, but still lost and got popped for roids. He could get his revenge in June, but it's funny as hell how the first fight ended.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Nah, I see Silva crushing Sonnen this time around. No juice, no rib injury.

And with Sonnen's submission defense possibly still being s**tty and virtually having no stand up, I don't see how Chael can survive three rounds with Anderson.