Official UFC Thread - Part 3

[Texas Zombie]

How would Hendo know? He was probably one of them.

He is one of them Hendo is on TRT or testosterone replacement therapy, I've heard many fighters talk about this, I believe Bas asked babalu if he has ever fought anyone on steroids, he said " Of course, I fought in pride."

Hell ken shamrock admitted to juicing his ENTIRE career or something like that.



Sorry for posting twice by the way.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Didn't sound like a guess to me DoomsdayApex.

Of course there is no evidence because THERE WAS NO DRUG TESTING! There were no tests for them to fail or ways for them to get caught.

Dan Henderson said guys were juicing in Pride because no one got tested there.

Look at that. More spewed words that provide no evidence.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Sonnen was barely over thats what you don't understand, it was like 1/10 of whatever testosterone to DHT ratio or whatever.

And yet his suspension was not lifted. Marquardt provided paperwork citing his TRT treatment. Thus why his suspension was lifted.

Sonnen still served his sentence.

This time he will be perfectly in the normal range. Also I don't understand why you would think the fight would go any differently than the last fight.
Anderson hasn't switched camps, he has steven seagal in his corner, dan gable would take steven seagal out. Anderson fights the same every fight unless he does something radically different expect similar results.

Sonnen = overrated one-dimensional fighter.

Unless Chael has radically improved his stand up, I see Silva catching a murder charge.

Hendo had the better wrestling and chin, and Silva stuffed and picked him apart in the second.

A knockdown is a knockdown as far the judges are concerned, it doent matter how gassed anderson is.

Show me where else Sonnen dropped a fighter in his UFC career with his pillow hands.

Silva was exhausted and wounded -- it does make a difference. Not on the score cards, but that did not matter. Silva was losing regardless.

 

[TheVileOne]

Marquardt had failed a drug test previously so he was caught cheating twice.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Marquardt had failed a drug test previously so he was caught cheating twice.

Does not compute.

You criticize Marquardt but blindly defend Sonnen.

Oh that's rich.

 

[TheVileOne]

Sonnen's levels tested high. He was punished. He served his suspension and that's that.

He didn't fight for about 14 months if you recall.

Randy Couture also does TRT. Is he a cheating juicer?

 

[DoomsdayApex]

The desperation in your posts are amusing. You're actually trying justify Sonnen's PED usage by claiming it's TRT-related.

YET, like you yourself stated, Sonnen served his sentence and the athletic commission did not lift the suspension. Thus his TRT Treatment claims were garbage -- not surprising considering he's a politician. Lying is his specialty/profession.

 

[TheVileOne]

There's no desperation dude. Like it or not, TRT is legal provided you test within the allowed levels and provide full disclosure. Sonnen messed up for for this incident and he served his punishment.

Actually they did reduce his suspension to six months instead of a year. Go back and look up the proceedings. There was another issue where NSAC head Keith Kizer said he never spoke to Sonnen about TRT exemption. That along with his guilty plea in another matter brought out an indefinite suspension from the CSAC. However, they ultimately LIFTED that indefinite suspension in late June of last year.

The TRT claim isn't garbage Apex. Here is what you are ignoring. It is against the rules/cheating whatever you want to call it if you are using this treatment for your testosterone to test over a certain ratio level. Sonnen's test was above the allowed ratio and that is why he was suspended.

So if you are saying it wasn't TRT and it was other stuff fine. If you believe TRT itself is nothing more than a legitimized PED or steroid that shouldn't be allowed that's a different argument. However, the athletic commissions have a precedence of allowing fighters to use this treatment and provide exemption for fighters to do this as long as there is full disclosure and their levels are within the allowable range.

Dan Henderson, Randy Couture, and Todd Duffee are all fighters that have been listed as TRT users. Some people find Duffee's usage of it suspicious since he is a younger man in his 20's.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

No, TRT is not garbage. I comprehend it's need in the sport, but I just found it convenient that Sonnen spoke of TRT only AFTER the drug tests picked up the high levels of testosterone. I've always found that suspicious. Why wait? Bring it forth to the athletic commission and/or your employers beforehand to avoid this kind of publicity and legal troubles.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Source: The Wrestling Observer Newsletter

-- MMA fighter King Mo Lawal, who was suspended nine months by the Nevada Commission and then fired from Strikeforce by Dana White, is interested in joining WWE. Lawal has been a long-time pro wrestling fan and has expressed interest in joining WWE in the past. Gerald Brisco recruited Lawal years ago but it never worked out as Lawal wanted to compete in the Olympics. When he didn't make the Olympic team, he started MMA instead.

 

[Paroxysm]

Hahahaha

 

[E-Man]

King Mo would be great in wrestling if he could get past the color barrier. Wrestling isn't too kind to black guys. Sure some have been champs, but too many black wrestlers have gotten screwed. That's neither here nor there though. A lot of amateur wrestlers do well in pro wrestling, and he's got the personality to be good on the mic if he works at it. It all depends on if he wants to work that hard ass schedule. Wrestling is no joke. There is a reason a lot of guys die at early ages. It's a really hard grind that takes a major toll on your body.

I also think that he shouldn't have gotten cut. I understand why he got cut, but Volkmann has said stuff about hurting the president and he's still around. I guess it's the contract thing. Maybe once he loses his ass is cut. haha

 

[Texas Zombie]

And yet his suspension was not lifted. Marquardt provided paperwork citing his TRT treatment. Thus why his suspension was lifted.

Sonnen still served his sentence.



Sonnen = overrated one-dimensional fighter.

Unless Chael has radically improved his stand up, I see Silva catching a murder charge.

Hendo had the better wrestling and chin, and Silva stuffed and picked him apart in the second.



Show me where else Sonnen dropped a fighter in his UFC career with his pillow hands.

Silva was exhausted and wounded -- it does make a difference. Not on the score cards, but that did not matter. Silva was losing regardless.

Dan Henderson doesn't have better wrestling, he would get beat by chael sonnen, and they are both on roids.

Stop saying silva was injured, every fighter ever has an injury of some kind, every blackhouse guy has an excuse after they lose or have a poor performance.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Dan Henderson doesn't have better wrestling, he would get beat by chael sonnen, and they are both on roids.

Yes, he does.

Excellent. Let's have a roid-off.

Stop saying silva was injured, every fighter ever has an injury of some kind, every blackhouse guy has an excuse after they lose or have a poor performance.

Sorry pal, it was confirmed that Silva had broken a rib. Now, considering you've probably never been in a fight, a broken rib is a big deal.

 

[TheVileOne]

Silva is the best fighter on the planet and can and has pretty much beaten up anyone on their best day and his worst. No one has stopped him in an actual fight in over 7 years, getting close to 8 now. When all is said and done, he will have the more impressive run than Fedor.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Silva is the best fighter on the planet and can and has pretty much beaten up anyone on their best day and his worst. No one has stopped him in an actual fight in over 7 years, getting close to 8 now. When all is said and done, he will have the more impressive run than Fedor.

Silva has to beat GSP, Jones or another fighter on the P4P list first. If he doesn't, he'll always be a close second. Fedor at least has had his highly-anticipated and iconic bouts with Arlovski, Nogueira and Cro Cop.

 

[Project862006]

same cro cop kevin randleman KO'd in PRIDE?

Anderson also went up and KO'd a former LHW Champ in FG in 1 round

jon jones for example would have to go to HW and KO Frank Mir to be anything comparable

Anderson is undeniably the best MMA Fighter of all time

he is older than fedor and is still top of his game

 

[Paroxysm]

Excellent. Let's have a roid-off.

 

[TheVileOne]

Silva has to beat GSP, Jones or another fighter on the P4P list first. If he doesn't, he'll always be a close second. Fedor at least has had his highly-anticipated and iconic bouts with Arlovski, Nogueira and Cro Cop.

No he doesn't. GSP is a much smaller shorter dude. Silva is huge and cuts down from over 220 lbs. GSP never gets anywhere close that. It's not a good match-up IMHO. I want to see the Jones fight, but Jones himself still has guys he has to beat as well specifically Rashad Evans and likely Dan Henderson. If that works out and Silva has no one to fight, I'd say yes make that fight, but that's a big if.

Silva has accomplished a lot more as champion than GSP. Unlike GSP, while champion he went up in weight class twice and won both those fights by knockout in the first round.

Fedor's fight with Arlovski wasn't THAT iconic, sorry.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

No he doesn't. GSP is a much smaller shorter dude. Silva is huge and cuts down from over 220 lbs. GSP never gets anywhere close that. It's not a good match-up IMHO. I want to see the Jones fight, but Jones himself still has guys he has to beat as well specifically Rashad Evans and likely Dan Henderson. If that works out and Silva has no one to fight, I'd say yes make that fight, but that's a big if.

GSP is not that small. He walks around at 220 lbs and stands at 5'11. Silva walks around the same weight but his height is listed at 6'2, which I find bogus. I've met Randy Couture, Chuck Liddell and Anderson Silva. And neither Couture and Silva are 6'2. Liddell is the only guy out of the three that is truly 6'2.

And that's beside the point. Beating GSP would boost his resume probably above Fedor's by just having that win. GSP is a dominant champion in his division and a fellow P4P'er. Not to mention, fans have waited for that for years now.

Silva has accomplished a lot more as champion than GSP. Unlike GSP, while champion he went up in weight class twice and won both those fights by knockout in the first round.

If anything GSP is number one on the P4P list. The welterweight division is stacked (lightyears ahead of the middleweight division). Wins over Josh Koscheck, Thiago Alves, Jon Fitch, Matt Hughes, BJ Penn and Sean Sherk solidify that. I'm sorry, but you're delusional. GSP has faced the tougher competition in a deep deep division. When he gets back, he'll add another big name to that list in Carlos Condit, and then probably Nick Diaz.

You WISH Silva's resume was that prestigious.

In my opinion, Silva has to face GSP before his career comes to an end. If not, GSP will be known as GOAT 10 years from now.

Fedor's fight with Arlovski wasn't THAT iconic, sorry.

Yes, it was. It was a fight that fans wanted for years, but was labeled to be a fool's dream considering Fedor was at Pride and Arlovski was under the UFC banner. Then, Andrei walked away from The UFC and went on a five fight win-streak -- taking the universal spot as the #2 heavyweight on the planet.

When the fight was announced, the MMA community favored Arlovski (as the one to beat The Last Emperor). Unlike Cro Cop, Andrei had sharp and fast hands, a World-Class Sambo background and a legendary trainer at his corner.

You can downplay it all you want but Fedor-Arlovski was that iconic, especially on how the fight ended.

 

[E-Man]

Silva has to beat GSP, Jones or another fighter on the P4P list first. If he doesn't, he'll always be a close second. Fedor at least has had his highly-anticipated and iconic bouts with Arlovski, Nogueira and Cro Cop.

I don't get why you keep bringing up GSP. I think the world of the guy, but he's never fought higher than his weight class before. If the fight happened at a catchweight I could see it, but it does less for Anderson to beat GSP than vice versa. Since Anderson is the bigger guy he stands more to lose.

Jones would be a great win, but I don't see why it would be a requirement at this point in time considering Jones is still a few wins away from being in GSP and Anderson's class in the first place. He needs to take care of Rashad and Hendo first.

Plus Fedor has never done anything like that, so I don't see why Anderson should have to now when he's the only guy to ever beat elite comp in three different weight classes. Anderson beat the number 1 guy in his original weight class at welterweight, then moved up and dominated and broke records at middleweight. Hell he even moved up and schooled a top 5 lightheavyweight that was one fight removed from being the champ. No one has ever done that at all. Not even GSP who I would agree has beaten better competition overall.

 

[Project862006]

GSP is not that small. He walks around at 220 lbs and stands at 5'11. Silva walks around the same weight but his height is listed at 6'2, which I find bogus. I've met Randy Couture, Chuck Liddell and Anderson Silva. And neither Couture and Silva are 6'2. Liddell is the only guy out of the three that is truly 6'2.

And that's beside the point. Beating GSP would boost his resume probably above Fedor's by just having that win. GSP is a dominant champion in his division and a fellow P4P'er. Not to mention, fans have waited for that for years now.



If anything GSP is number one on the P4P list. The welterweight division is stacked (lightyears ahead of the middleweight division). Wins over Josh Koscheck, Thiago Alves, Jon Fitch, Matt Hughes, BJ Penn and Sean Sherk solidify that. I'm sorry, but you're delusional. GSP has faced the tougher competition in a deep deep division. When he gets back, he'll add another big name to that list in Carlos Condit, and then probably Nick Diaz.

You WISH Silva's resume was that prestigious.

In my opinion, Silva has to face GSP before his career comes to an end. If not, GSP will be known as GOAT 10 years from now.



Yes, it was. It was a fight that fans wanted for years, but was labeled to be a fool's dream considering Fedor was at Pride and Arlovski was under the UFC banner. Then, Andrei walked away from The UFC and went on a five fight win-streak -- taking the universal spot as the #2 heavyweight on the planet.

When the fight was announced, the MMA community favored Arlovski (as the one to beat The Last Emperor). Unlike Cro Cop, Andrei had sharp and fast hands, a World-Class Sambo background and a legendary trainer at his corner.

You can downplay it all you want but Fedor-Arlovski was that iconic, especially on how the fight ended.

WOW 1st of all Anderson is 14-0 in UFC with 9 title defenses

and GSP has been finished twice in the UFC Serra KO'd him and he lost his Title

thats like Anderson losing his title to Jorge Rivera

because of that loss imo gsp will never ever touch silva not to mention his lack of willingness to finish

Anderson actually Finishes his Opponents

Hendo
Vitor
Franklin
Forrest Griffin
Sonnen
Okami
etc.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

@ E-Man:

That doesn't matter. At the end of the day GSP fought the much stronger competition. It doesn't matter if he's the smaller fighter.

Have you been to MMA sites before? GSP-Silva is a fight that apparently everybody wants. They could care less who wins or who is the smaller fighter. These fans just want to see two dominant champions in their prime beat the s** t out of each other.

I don't hear Silva fans claiming it'll hurt his reputation/resume if he beats GSP. In fact, it's the opposite.

Fedor is a heavyweight. Heavyweights are viewed differently than lightweights and middleweights. Don't try to be coy about it. It's the reason why the 'legends' in boxing are polarizing as heavyweights, and why Muhammad Ali is still considered to be GOAT. Go ahead, tell me I'm lying.

That's the perception.

For Silva to propel himself above Fedor, he needs to beat GSP.

 

[Project862006]

not at all Anderson could retire from MMA after he beats chael and would be undoubtedly the best MMA Fighter Of all Time

if he beats chael he would be :

15-0
10 title defenses
MW King for 6 Years
moves up in weight and KO'd a former LHW champ 1 fight removed from title loss

 

[DoomsdayApex]

No, he wouldn't.

Silva is compared to Roy Jones Jr on a daily basis. There's no talk of him being compared to Ali. Fedor gets the Ali comparisons because he's a heavyweight.

You want to talk about undefeated streaks? Fedor's nearly lasted for a decade.