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[DoomsdayApex]

Hate to say I told you so, but.. I told you so.

Fedor has not been fighting the top level guys since his Pride days, I've been saying this for what seems like awhile now. Since the Pride buyout Fedor has been fighting has beens, freakshow fights & basically just fights against guys that just aren't that great to begin with.

The level of competition rose/evolved around him while he continued to fight at his Pride level & arguably even below. Particularly in the heavyweight division the competition has become far greater & more talented in my opinion.. I'd even go as far as to say Cain Velasquez & Junior Dos Santo's 9 & 13 wins respectfully, would be equivalent to Fedor's 31 wins from essentially his Pride days.

Now with a lose against a guy who came in right on the limit of weight for a heavyweight, he should just retire. His legacy is badly tarnished because of his overall decision to go to Strikeforce ahead of the UFC in my opinion.

Severely disagree here.

Fedor fought Tim Sylvia (ranked from #5-8), Andrei Arlovski (ranked at #2), Brett Rogers (ranked from #6-9), Antonio Silva (ranked from #5-7), and Fabricio Werdum (ranked #9-10). In addition, Fedor was set to fight Josh Barnett (who also happened to be ranked at #2) before the fight was cancelled.

Fedor has been fighting top competition for years.

Furthermore, Fedor's legacy has not been tarnished. He fought the best during the PRIDE era -- back when the UFC had a nonexistent Heavyweight division. Fedor dominated the competition.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

One more thing...

'Takedown' Tate is hottest chick/fighter in MMA.

Move on over Gina, Miesha is now the face of Woman's MMA and my dream girl. It had to be said.

 

[El Bastardo]

Attaboy, Hendo!

 

[Iron_Stark]

HEEEEEENDO! YEAH!!

I like Fedor, but I couldn't root against Hendo.

Meisha Tate is so friggen hot, it's ridiculous. She and Gina should have a match, but the stipulations would be no punching or kicking, just rolling on the mat.

 

[Darthphere]

Yeah that would really help the credibility of women's MMA.

 

[CrypticOne]

Hell yeah! WAR HENDO!

 

[CrypticOne]

People need to realize, Fedor has never evolved! And he has shown no interest in evolving. Hendo has rarely evolved too. But that just goes to show you who Fedor has been fighting.

Fedor needs to retire. Or he needs to move out of Russia and into somewhere he can evolve and get better. But I think he's too arrogant for all of that.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

This isn't about Fedor not evolving. It's just time for him to walk away.

 

[CrypticOne]

This isn't about Fedor not evolving. It's just time for him to walk away.

WHAT?! Walk away?! The supposedly greatest fighter is going to walk away at the age of 34?! He got beat by an old man last night! Fedor needs to evolve. That's what this is about. He looks flabby and sloppy as hell out there.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

WHAT?! Walk away?! The supposedly greatest fighter is going to walk away at the age of 34?! He got beat by an old man last night! Fedor needs to evolve. That's what this is about. He looks flabby and sloppy as hell out there.

True, but Fedor (just like Wanderlei) has been gone through many wars himself and taken alot of damage. Before Hendo, Fedor had only been rocked once in his career. Arlovski, Silva, and Rogers landed direct shots on Fedor, and he shrugged them off. My opinion is that Fedor's body is finally starting to break down.

Fedor's speed has declined significantly and his ability to absorb damage has started crumble. Two advantages that Fedor was able to use against the bigger and stronger opponents.

It's not about evolving or strategy. I certainly believe in my heart that Fedor is finished as a fighter.

 

[Bubonic]

Yeah that would really help the credibility of women's MMA.

Women's MMA is going to go on a far back burner as soon as Strikeforce is absorbed in UFC. With fans only into it for glorified cat fights and the small talent pool it might as well be that way.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Women's MMA is going to go on a far back burner as soon as Strikeforce is absorbed in UFC. With fans only into it for glorified cat fights and the small talent pool it might as well be that way.

I doubt it. There's still Bellator and DREAM.

Trust me, Women's MMA isn't going anywhere.

 

[Dr. Evil]

I doubt it. There's still Bellator and DREAM.

Trust me, Women's MMA isn't going anywhere.

I would think many of them would want to stay in the United States, so they probably would go to Bellator.

But if Bellator crumbles, Japan may be their only option.

 

[Bubonic]

This monopolizing stuff certainly limits fighter's options.

 

[E-Man]

I think it's just more about MMA companies being terrible at making money along with the fact that women besides Gina don't draw. It's sad but true everywhere.

 

[misjuevos]

once sf is absorbed maybe someone will try to open a women's mma org, though the biggest problem will be finding fighters.

 

[B]

Severely disagree here.

Fedor fought Tim Sylvia (ranked from #5-8), Andrei Arlovski (ranked at #2)

I'd argue that both Sylvia & Arlovski were never that great to begin with, the second a person with even a wiff of skill or brains about them fought either they've been beaten quite comfortably.

However by the time Fedor fought both Sylvia & Arlovski your talking 2008/2009.. when the UFC's HW division was really the place to be fighting & long after the days when Tim Sylvia or Andrei Arlovski had a chance of holding a UFC HW title. Those rankings are bogus as well as far as I am concerned for the time when Fedor fought them.

Brett Rogers (ranked from #6-9)

No disrespect to your opinion, but Brett Roger as far as I am concerned wasn't a top 10 heavyweight when Fedor fought him.. nor has he ever been a top 10 heavyweight in MMA.. I think hes a glorified Kimbo Slice personally.

Antonio Silva (ranked from #5-7)

Fair enough, I'll give you Bigfoot.. I'll even agree with your ranking. In saying that though, Fedor got handled pretty badly in this match & took a bad beatdown.. so I'm not quite sure what that says.

and Fabricio Werdum (ranked #9-10)

I'll give you Werdum as well, with the exception of getting tooled by Overeem & KTFO by Dos Santos he is a credible HW.. but at the same time, when he fought Fedor, Werdum wasn't on alot of people's minds as 'the top guy' Fedor could have been fighting. Infact truth be told he probably wasn't even on alot of peoples radars as being a top HW, hense why people made Fedor a heavy favourite to win & why Werdum tapping Fedor was one of the biggest upsets of that fighting year.

Fedor has been fighting top competition for years.

As far as I am concerned, he hasn't. I believe from about 2006 till I'd say he started fighting in Strikeforce in 2010 I believe, he hasn't been fighting the guys that were the best he could have been fighting. Then by losing to Werdum, a guy that wasn't suppose to have any chance of beating Fedor at all nevermind so easily.. well it just pissed over everything he'd accomplished beforehand I feel.

Furthermore, Fedor's legacy has not been tarnished. He fought the best during the PRIDE era -- back when the UFC had a nonexistent Heavyweight division. Fedor dominated the competition.

So did Cro Cop, so did Wanderlei Silva & Nogueira among others. All of those guys left Pride with impressive records of wins & look at all 3 of them.. particularly Cro Cop & Nog. Neither have been able to come even remotely close to the same level of dominance of Pride in the UFC.. that should tell you just how good the UFC's heavyweights were at least at the time they jumped ship nevermind what they are like now.

I do agree that Fedor dominated Pride & was the #1 Heavyweight in the world.. however I don't think hes been the #1 Heavyweight since say 2007 due to the fact that the people he was fighting did nothing other than pad his record out.. they didn't further cement his place as #1 HW as each fight should have done.

 

[E-Man]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Who had a good enough streak to supplant Fedor as the #1 before he lost? No one came close to that until recently.

 

[misjuevos]

im curious as to why if jones is fighting and rashad is also fighting on the same card, why couldn't they fight each other? so many rumors about them. they were scheduled to fight till an injury, then jones was cleared so what's the deal. how did the fight not happen?

 

[Paroxysm]

Fedor will always be my favorite HW of all time for the same reason Hulk Hogan is my favorite wrestler of all time.

The first time I saw them do their thing I was enthralled.

 

[misjuevos]

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/news/342207/Marloes-Coenen-cut-by-Strikeforce-Golden-Glory-responds/
some interesting stuff going on with golden glory and zuffa.

 

[misjuevos]

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overeem talks about being cut from strikeforece.

 

[CrypticOne]

My picks for tonight:

Ortiz via TKO
Akiyama via TKO
Macdonald via TKO

Ortiz and Akiyama will probably lose, but I'm rooting for them!

 

[mrvlknight21]

I think Rashad will beat Tito tonight....of course I thought that Ryan Bader would do the same.

 

[B]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Who had a good enough streak to supplant Fedor as the #1 before he lost? No one came close to that until recently.

This is pretty much my feeling as well.

Dana White was talking about Fedor in an interview with mmafighting.com & he picks apart 95% of the people fought since 2003. I don't think he was suggesting that UFC has had better heavyweights since 2003, however I feel he was more suggesting that the guys he was beating were anything from inexperienced with low records, on losing streaks amongst other things.

He then goes on to say that people can say whatever they want about Brock Lesnar, however at least he had the stones to step up & fight the very best Heavyweights in MMA with little to no training/mma experience at the time.

Dana White talks alot of ****, but for the most part I think hes right about most things MMA. As far as his comments on Fedor go, I gotta agree with him 100%.