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He served his suspension for the PED thing.

His real estate issue has nothing to do with UFC/MMA. He plead guilty, paid his fine, his real estate license was revoked, end of story.

Like other UFC fighters don't have criminal history and have never been arrested before.

****ing ********. Look at what Rampage did. Should Rampage be barred from UFC for going on a tear with his car?
 
Is that the best debate point you can muster? His Federal crimes are not related to his MMA career? I'm sorry, but I call BS on that. If Sonnen had killed a man by running him over with his SUV, should he be allowed to fight just because this case pertains nothing to his MMA career?

Not f**king good enough. People b***h and whine about those who took the legs from underneath the economy, and yet you fans are willing to let a man who has committed similar crimes walk away so easily? What he received was a cheap slap on the wrist, and you know it.

It's these types of comments which disgust me. Anyone with fame and/or funds is free to break the law, and suffer minor repercussions afterwards.

The same goes for Rampage. I love the fighter but he should have served time. Luckily, Zuffa provided Jackson with an outstanding lawyer.
 
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i watch them for their mma fighting not what they do outside the cage

to be honest it is none of my business i pay to see them fight not what they do outside the fight game
 
That's the point. You fans could care less about what a fighter does as soon as he takes off those gloves. It's sickening.

By that logic, I assume Adolf Hitler would have a rather large fan base because of his charisma, while his efforts to exterminate the Jewish people would probably be ignored.

Hey, so long as he's an entertaining figure, right?
 
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why should i care what he does in his own private life and time i have my own life and problems to worry about

oh comparing sonnen to hitler

really?
 
It's quite hilarious for a fan to always try to defend Sonnen.

Chael committed acts of money laundering, fraud, lying to Federal investigators, and usage of Performance Enhancement Drugs.

An average joe would likely gotten a 15 year sentence.

He wasn't taking PED's he was taking synthetic testosterone for his Hypogonadism. The reason why he got in trouble was because he didn't delcare he had Hypogonadism to the Athletic commission. If he declared, he would not have got in trouble.
 
Nevermind :whatever:

You say alot of dumb things. And I am sure that holocaust survivors and a whole race would be happy that you compared genocide to money laundering, fraud and suspiciously high levels of testosterone that were not declared for medical treatment. *****e.
 
Once again, plenty of current and former UFC fighters have broken the law, been convicted, or arrested and they still had successful careers.

Sonnen's white collar crime whatever it was has nothing to do with his UFC career and honestly I don't give a ****. He plead guilty and he was served his punishment. There you go. Booker T robbed a store once, was arrested and did jail time. Should we all hate Booker T? Sonnen didn't beat his spouse. He didn't murder anyone. He wasn't dealing drugs. Whatever.

Jay Hieron is a fighter I really like and respect. He's a recovering drug addict and he used to be a dealer. He doesn't do that crap anymore. He got out of it. Should I hate and resent Hieron and not root for him against Ben Askren?
 
Wasn't Melvin Guillard a crack addict? Who ****ing cares. It's over and done with.

lol, Chael Sonnen = Hitler.
 
Is that the best debate point you can muster? His Federal crimes are not related to his MMA career? I'm sorry, but I call BS on that. If Sonnen had killed a man by running him over with his SUV, should he be allowed to fight just because this case pertains nothing to his MMA career?

Not f**king good enough. People b***h and whine about those who took the legs from underneath the economy, and yet you fans are willing to let a man who has committed similar crimes walk away so easily? What he received was a cheap slap on the wrist, and you know it.

It's these types of comments which disgust me. Anyone with fame and/or funds is free to break the law, and suffer minor repercussions afterwards.

The same goes for Rampage. I love the fighter but he should have served time. Luckily, Zuffa provided Jackson with an outstanding lawyer.

These guys didn't suffer minor repercussions.
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Oh wait, that's right, they're black of course they didn't get away with it.
 
He wasn't taking PED's he was taking synthetic testosterone for his Hypogonadism. The reason why he got in trouble was because he didn't delcare he had Hypogonadism to the Athletic commission. If he declared, he would not have got in trouble.

Right...and Barry Bonds didn't..."knowingly" use PEDs. I'm not discounting the biological issues that he may need testosterone for. But I really doubt that is the whole story or it's as simple as that.

Call me jaded, but almost anytime an athlete gets caught I don't believe a word they say.
 
Amazing card last night, I like how people still keep hating on Silva and doubting him as a great fighter.

When his heart has been in it, which it hasn't been lately, he destroys people and shows just how wide the gap is between his skill and talent and everyone else's.
 
Right...and Barry Bonds didn't..."knowingly" use PEDs. I'm not discounting the biological issues that he may need testosterone for. But I really doubt that is the whole story or it's as simple as that.

Call me jaded, but almost anytime an athlete gets caught I don't believe a word they say.

Keith Kizer stated that he did not tell the Athletic commission he was not going through Testosterone replacement therapy and thats what got him in hot water. It's the same deal for Nate Marquardt, except he contacted the commission about it and did not get his levels back down to normal in time for his fight.

I'm not defending Chael Sonnen but whenever an athlete gets in trouble for drugs people automatically assume its PED's and that they are nothing but scum bag cheaters.
 
Keith Kizer stated that he did not tell the Athletic commission he was not going through Testosterone replacement therapy and thats what got him in hot water. It's the same deal for Nate Marquardt, except he contacted the commission about it and did not get his levels back down to normal in time for his fight.

I'm not defending Chael Sonnen but whenever an athlete gets in trouble for drugs people automatically assume its PED's and that they are nothing but scum bag cheaters.


My jadedness aside.

I don't really care what the reasons are. They knowingly, took, used, injected, swallowed, whatever, hell even with medical advise/approval. Doesn't make it an excuse period.

Is it against the rules? Yup. Did they take the proper steps to inform everyone they needed to ahead of time? No, or they tried but X didn't happen.

So they still break the rules? Yes. So that's cheating? Yes.

I knew I was drunk, but I had to drive to get home, I meant to tell everyone, but I forgot. Oh, but I had plenty of time to call a cab ahead of time and didn't. My bad. That's the same logic.

Honestly I don't care if athletes use PEDs...IF, they are up front about it, honest about it and IF their respective sports would allow them. It would make everything a lot easier.

MMA is a great example of a sport where there isn't a long, often overly romanticized history with legends and records that are valued more than the constitution. So if X fighter is clean and X fighter is using PEDs there should be some rules in place that would allow those fights to take place, or not take place. I'm totally fine with that.

But with Baseball and other sports, my issue, is with athletes, such as Bonds, A-Rod, Sosa and others being put next to the likes of Mays, Ruth, Aaron and other athletes for as far as we know, played the game straight up.

I really don't care if Bonds used at all, but don't tell me you had no idea, when you fully did and then don't pretend to be better than someone like Mays or Aaron who didn't have the help of HGH, Anabolic steroids and other substances that are proven to enhance athletic ability, and the overall human physiology.

Do I think they're scumbags? No. *****ebags? Yes, if they're trying to hide the fact that what they did should be cherished and put on the same pedestal as someone that did it with nothing more than hard work.

I'm not saying Sonnen is in the same league either way or not as Bonds. I am just saying, he knew and knows it is against UFC rules. Plain and simple, he cheated.

The leagues, commissions, Olympics, fans, we're all guilty. We want to see the biggest, best, strongest, fastest, hardest hitting, et cetera. So they give the people want they want to sell tickets and make money and they in turn cover up a lot of the big names that get caught.

I personally just like to know that hey, Ken Griffy Jr. was clean and despite what he could have been, this is what he was with just his own natural ability and hard work. Where as, who knows how great Bonds actually would have been if he hadn't taken PEDs?

Maybe he wouldn't have been the greatest slugger, but maybe he would have been the greatest baseball player ever?
 
I'm sure he will end up in the UFC by the first of the year. It would be nice to see some new faces in the heavyweight mix.
 
I hope they don't make Shogun/Machida 3 for Fox. That fight to me doesn't make sense now. To me, Shogun really beat Machida fight. I think the fight only makes sense again if it's for a title or it's later down the line and it makes sense. Now I don't think it really does.

If Hendo does come back to UFC, I would love to see him fight Shogun at light heavyweight. That would be a dream matchup on PPV for me. Also IMHO a tossup. Would love to see Hendo's right hand vs. Shogun's chin and see if an in shape and injury free Shogun can deal with Hendo's punching power and wrestling with his BJJ sweeps and Muay Thai.

One thing I've noticed from Shogun is that he's become a bit more technical in this part of his career. He's not quite as fast or aggressive as he used, but he's still got granite in his hands. When Shogun ground and pounds you, he puts you to sleep. I mean just think about this, Shogun has 17 knockout wins out of his 20 career wins. That includes Rampage Jackson, Machida, Forrest Griffin, and Alistair Overeem (x2).

I don't think UFC will be able to resist Silva/Sonnen 2 at some point. Now I think Stann has a shot at beating Sonnen because he's a good striker. However, I don't think he's got the subs of a Demian Maia or Anderson Silva. I don't think he will be able to catch Sonnen in a sub by those guys.

I think Okami should maybe fight Belfort next. Or Belfort vs. Leben.
 
Congrats to Big Nog! Amazing performance. I'm really glad Schaub lost. My friends tell me he is really cocky in the gym. So I'm glad Big Nog put him in his place.

I hope Anderson Silva moves up to LHW.

I agree, I hope they don't make Machida/Shogun 3. At least, now right now. Have Shogun fight Rich Franklin, Tito Ortiz, or Dan Henderson. Machida can fight one of those guys too.
 
http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/news/347848/Carwin-Reem-told-me-he-expects-to-be-in-UFC-before-2012/

post on the UG from carwin, he spoke to overeem.

I had a chance to speak with him at the Magic Convention in Las Vegas (no we were not the big and tall models) and he said that he and Dana were close to a deal and he would likely be in the UFC before 2012. I think he would make a great addition to the roster.
When I decided that I was going to try for the UFC the HWT division was not nearly as stacked as it is today. The up and coming guys have tons of talent and heart and the top of the division is full of super talented guys. I am excited about all of the potential fights. I have gone to war with many of these guys in my mind and I can't wait for an opportunity to hit and be ht by them.
Good times....
 
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I hope they don't make Shogun/Machida 3 for Fox. That fight to me doesn't make sense now. To me, Shogun really beat Machida fight. I think the fight only makes sense again if it's for a title or it's later down the line and it makes sense. Now I don't think it really does.

If Hendo does come back to UFC, I would love to see him fight Shogun at light heavyweight. That would be a dream matchup on PPV for me. Also IMHO a tossup. Would love to see Hendo's right hand vs. Shogun's chin and see if an in shape and injury free Shogun can deal with Hendo's punching power and wrestling with his BJJ sweeps and Muay Thai.

One thing I've noticed from Shogun is that he's become a bit more technical in this part of his career. He's not quite as fast or aggressive as he used, but he's still got granite in his hands. When Shogun ground and pounds you, he puts you to sleep. I mean just think about this, Shogun has 17 knockout wins out of his 20 career wins. That includes Rampage Jackson, Machida, Forrest Griffin, and Alistair Overeem (x2).

I don't think UFC will be able to resist Silva/Sonnen 2 at some point. Now I think Stann has a shot at beating Sonnen because he's a good striker. However, I don't think he's got the subs of a Demian Maia or Anderson Silva. I don't think he will be able to catch Sonnen in a sub by those guys.

I think Okami should maybe fight Belfort next. Or Belfort vs. Leben.

They are literally running out of opponents. Yes, there are still plenty for Silva to fight, but he makes top talent look foolish and let's be honest the average run of the mill MMA/UFC fan has no idea who Okami is, or was before this fight.


They need to put him up against some more top talent or big names. I mean he is getting older, so it is only a matter of time before someone beats him, but I don't want to see him lose due to old age. I want to see someone beat him, because they can actually beat him. I would imagine he fights for no more than 2-3 years then hangs em up at the very most? If he's smart.
 
I wouldn't mind if Anderson retired after his next fight if he gets that 10th title defense. He does look as great now as he ever has, but father time can be a ***** that happens over night. I really really want to see him fight GSP though. That's would be the biggest fight in MMA history. I just have to see them go at it. I want to see which guy is the smartest MMA fighter in the world.
 
I wouldn't mind if Anderson retired after his next fight if he gets that 10th title defense. He does look as great now as he ever has, but father time can be a ***** that happens over night. I really really want to see him fight GSP though. That's would be the biggest fight in MMA history. I just have to see them go at it. I want to see which guy is the smartest MMA fighter in the world.

I would say that is Randy Cotoure imho. But I agree, they are at the top of the food chain and two of the smartest fighters right now not to mention most talented.

I don't think GSP can take him, I hate to say it because GSP is so good, but I think Silva could put him to sleep.
 
He served his suspension for the PED thing.

His real estate issue has nothing to do with UFC/MMA. He plead guilty, paid his fine, his real estate license was revoked, end of story.

Sonnen's white collar crime whatever it was has nothing to do with his UFC career and honestly I don't give a ****. He plead guilty and he was served his punishment.



Actually, Sonnen is only a few months into his 2 years of federal probation. So he is technically still serving his punishment. And of course, some screw up on probation could land him right back in front of the judge.

Amazing card last night, I like how people still keep hating on Silva and doubting him as a great fighter.

When his heart has been in it, which it hasn't been lately, he destroys people and shows just how wide the gap is between his skill and talent and everyone else's.

It was a good card, but the guys I was pulling for lost:
Schaub/Griffin/Okami
 
Couture has some really good gameplans, but I don't think he's on Anderson and GSP's level. Part of the reason why Anderson can clown guys is because he's so intelligent at attacking without wasting any energy and effort. GSP knows every guys weakness and can exploit it to a tee. To me those guys know how to exploit everything. Randy is up there, but he's been in fights where he didn't have an answer for guys. The Nog fight comes to mind, even though Nog is no slouch.
 
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