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[B]

We will never know.. Brock panics though when he gets hit, and Fedor has fast hands. If this fight would have taken place before or instead of the Carwin when it was suppose to I think Brock would have been shocked..

Brock instantly resorts to wrestling when hes hit hard... which I suppose is what most wrestlers would do they just look for an arm or leg to hold onto until they recover. He did well in the Carwin fight, he was badly rocked with that uppercut & covered up fairly well actually managing to fight his way back to the feet in the first round. In the Velasquez fight it was different because Velasquez hurt Lesnar with a knee I think that dropped him & unlike Carwin, Velasquez threw measured, accurate punches rather than aimless bombs.

It actually got to a point were Lesnar almost looked exhausted at one point when he pushed Velasquez away or tried to grab a leg or something.. when in fact he was just badly rocked because of the consistant barrage of punches.

Every fighter has some form of weakness, Brock's is his strike resistance I suppose you'd call it. He covers up well on his feet, but when one decent punch slips through he kinda panics & shoots in for highly visible takedowns or just doesn't maintain his blocking correctly.

As for Fedor, I don't know whats next for him. He took a really bad beating in that fight, he probably won the first round barely, but he took a pasting in it as well. The second round was all bigfoot, he instantly took him down easily passed Fedor's guard & gave him a vicious pounding.. he was just frailing his arms about at one point just taking the damage that Silva was more than willing to offer. The fight could have been stopped in the mount position, but due to how badly he'd been beat & the state of his eye the stoppage was fully justified.

He should probably think about dropping down to LHW or else retiring..

 

[Paroxysm]

Fedor and Brock have both been exposed.

Brock can't take a punch.

Fedor is getting too old.

 

[B]

Fedor and Brock have both been exposed.

Brock can't take a punch.

Fedor is getting too old.

Fedor is only like 33/34 so in my opinion saying he is getting too old isn't a valid excuse for his performances, Anderson Silva is 35 & is still dominating everyone in sight.

I think it's more a case that Fedor has been put against fighters that are actually a threat.. which in my opinion he hasn't been doing since his Pride days which was like 5/6 years ago & in turn he just can't cut it with the newer more skilled breed of heavyweights that have come in as a result of MMA's growth in popularity.

+ the size thing is an issue, when you look at Fedor & then at people like Carwin, Lesnar, Silva, Overeem etc Fedor looks an entier weight class below. As opposed to 5/6 years ago when he wasn't the biggest heavyweight, but the size/weight difference was always much, much less come fight night.

 

[Paroxysm]

I admit Fedor is too small for TODAY's giants. Back in the old days, guys Silva's size were unskilled or one dimensional. Silva is no joke. A black belt in BJJ and a decent striker, plus huge and long reach. Not good if you're 230 pounds.

 

[Mace Bloodstone]

But what are the smaller heavyweights suppose to do, starv themselves down to fight at 205 while the big heavyweights can come in at 280 at fight night? i think the light heavyweight limit needs to change.

 

[Paroxysm]

Bring back Super HW Division?

 

[BlackLantern]

are there enough fighters to sustain it in the future?

 

[E-Man]

No need for a new super heavyweight division. Historically the best heavyweights have been the smaller guys like Coleman, Couture, Fedor, Cro Cop, etc. with maybe one or two monster sized heavyweights like Mark Kerr every blue moon. Right now we're finally seeing bigger heavyweights with more skill than just being big, but even still it's only about four of them. Bigfoot is a big dude with some skill, but he pales in comparison to Brock and Carwin. Outside of those three there really aren't that many huge guys. Overeem is pretty big, but he's not mega huge anymore like Carwin. Hell Mir tried getting bigger, but that wasn't his issue at all.

A SHW division just wouldn't cut it because there aren't enough big guys to warrant it, and on top of that the smaller guys who can't beat them should just accept that the bigger guys are superior. Of course while I say this, Cain is the best heavyweight right now and he's a little small. At the end of the day it's all about how good you are, and Fedor just doesn't have it anymore. He's too wild, and he doesn't have that one forte that could just shut guys down. His legend is partially based on being good at everything, but now that he is older he's not going to have problems with people who can just shut him down in one major area.

 

[B]

I admit Fedor is too small for TODAY's giants. Back in the old days, guys Silva's size were unskilled or one dimensional. Silva is no joke. A black belt in BJJ and a decent striker, plus huge and long reach. Not good if you're 230 pounds.

Agree 100%.

5/6 years ago there were not that many big heavyweights, Tim Sylvia was probably one of the biggest.. well he probably is still one of the biggest given hes like 6'7 or something like that. However the guy is 1 dimensional & unlike todays heavyweights his 1 dimension wassn't really that strong at all looking back.

But what are the smaller heavyweights suppose to do, starv themselves down to fight at 205 while the big heavyweights can come in at 280 at fight night? i think the light heavyweight limit needs to change.

In Fedor's case he'd just need to hit a treadmill. If he lost even abit of the body fat on him he'd have absolutely no trouble hitting 205. What's he even weigh on fight nights? About 230? 25 pounds isn't that much to cut especally when you look at how Fedor looks.. he just looks like a fat guy truth be told.

Sure just a week ago Rampage Jackson was saying he turned down the Shogun fight because he has been on holiday since his last fight with Machida & currently weighs 250lbs, he didn't think he'd be able to cut 45lbs in 4 weeks of training AND be fully ready for a guy that will need his full attention given that Shogun gave him a beatdown the last time they fought.. but he will eventually cut the 45lbs for the Hamill fight. Fedor shouldn't have a problem making the cut.. and truth be told he'd probably be more of a danger to LHW's than HW's.

The 1 fight I'd actually want to see Fedor in at the moment is either a LHW or HW showdown with Randy Couture.

 

[B]

No need for a new super heavyweight division. Historically the best heavyweights have been the smaller guys like Coleman, Couture, Fedor, Cro Cop, etc. with maybe one or two monster sized heavyweights like Mark Kerr every blue moon. Right now we're finally seeing bigger heavyweights with more skill than just being big, but even still it's only about four of them. Bigfoot is a big dude with some skill, but he pales in comparison to Brock and Carwin. Outside of those three there really aren't that many huge guys. Overeem is pretty big, but he's not mega huge anymore like Carwin. Hell Mir tried getting bigger, but that wasn't his issue at all.

A SHW division just wouldn't cut it because there aren't enough big guys to warrant it, and on top of that the smaller guys who can't beat them should just accept that the bigger guys are superior. Of course while I say this, Cain is the best heavyweight right now and he's a little small. At the end of the day it's all about how good you are, and Fedor just doesn't have it anymore. He's too wild, and he doesn't have that one forte that could just shut guys down. His legend is partially based on being good at everything, but now that he is older he's not going to have problems with people who can just shut him down in one major area.

Cain's a pretty big dude to be honest, when he fought Lesnar wasn't he pushing like 250lbs or so at the weigh in? And Lesnar wasn't that much bigger given that because of his new diet for his stomach illness, basically 265/270lbs is his natural weight.. or was at the time.

In my view I think Cain's weight for that fight was 100% spot on, he was big enough so that Lesnar's size/weight didn't play that big a factor & yet still retained his speed & cardio.

 

[E-Man]

Cain was 244 for the Brock fight, and that's the biggest I've seen him at. Normally he's hovering at or under 240, but I can see why he wanted to put some weight on for that fight.
http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Lesnar-Velasquez-Official-for-UFC-121-27700

 

[B]

Brock should consider dropping a little more weight, he'd be even more explosive than he already is, his cardio would be better & he wouldn't drop that much power that it would be noticable.

That being said bringing your natural weight down enough so that 250/255 is achievable is easier said than done.

 

[Texas Zombie]

Fedor is only like 33/34 so in my opinion saying he is getting too old isn't a valid excuse for his performances, Anderson Silva is 35 & is still dominating everyone in sight.

I think it's more a case that Fedor has been put against fighters that are actually a threat.. which in my opinion he hasn't been doing since his Pride days which was like 5/6 years ago & in turn he just can't cut it with the newer more skilled breed of heavyweights that have come in as a result of MMA's growth in popularity.

+ the size thing is an issue, when you look at Fedor & then at people like Carwin, Lesnar, Silva, Overeem etc Fedor looks an entier weight class below. As opposed to 5/6 years ago when he wasn't the biggest heavyweight, but the size/weight difference was always much, much less come fight night.

what about chael sonnen, i wouldnt say dominating.
andersons weakness was showcased through wrestling, if someone can out wrestle anderson and not get caught in a submission, they can win.

but if chael comes back to fight anderson and he can still successfully take him down, paulo fihlo status.

 

[E-Man]

You have to consider the rib injury in the Sonnen fight. He was suspended after the fight because of it, and his speed looked way off. In the Vitor fight it's night and day because he plugged into the Matrix again before pulling off the Dhalsim kick.

 

[Texas Zombie]

Yeah but every fighter is injured, especially after an a** whooping.

He knew he was injured and chose to still fight, which is odd considering he withdrew from a fight with vitor twice due to injury, that is no excuse.

If you get taken down consistently, how can you really effectively strike.
I take nothing away from andersons striking, but I seriously doubt his ground game.

Who knows maybe Jake sheilds can hold him down better than chael. He did hold down an Olympian(hendo).

 

[B]

what about chael sonnen, i wouldnt say dominating.
andersons weakness was showcased through wrestling, if someone can out wrestle anderson and not get caught in a submission, they can win.

but if chael comes back to fight anderson and he can still successfully take him down, paulo fihlo status.

Take into consideration, Anderson Silva fought that fight with a cracked/broken rib & also take into consideration Anderson Silva went into that fight with the intention of submitting Chael Sonnen. When have you ever seen Anderson Silva, well firstly enter the octagon wearing BJJ gear & black belt and secondly taken down with little struggle.

Also take into consideration that Chael was winning mainly on his takedowns alone. Dispite him being on top for about 80% of the fight, Chael took by far the most damage as Silva was laying elbows into his face throughout his time in Silva's guard.. and Silva escaped the fight fairly unscratched.

I might be giving Anderson Silva too much credit, but in that Chael Sonnen fight I think he wanted to be on his back.. or at least fighting Chael on the ground in some capacity.

 

[El Bastardo]

Anderson was wearing the BJJ gear because of all the crap Chael was talking about BJJ and the Nogeuira brothers, one. I'm pretty sure Silva - rather, Soares - has even said this, just like Silva was wearing the pink shirt at the press conference because of Chael talking **** about that.

And I'm pretty sure I saw Anderson get taken down rather effortlessly by Dan Henderson, too. The difference is Anderson murdered him afterward.

I'm also fairly confident that mmajunkie reported the UFC stating Anderson had no rib damage prior to the fight with Chael. Take it at face value, though, because it's been half a year and I'm not going to see if I can find it.

 

[Texas Zombie]

Yeah, but winning is winning, a gsp win is just as good as a chuck Liddell win, it's just one is way more boring.

I'm saying that it doesn't matter if Anderson was injured, he had the option to withdraw, it is his choice to stay, hence it is not an excuse.

But what I am saying is, hendo could take down Anderson and is one of the best wrestlers to ever enter the octogan, he was taken down quite the bit by Shields.

I wonder if Shields could effectively hold Anderson, and win a fight.

If he can effectively wrestle gsp to the ground, who knows what's next?

That's a big if, Though.

 

[Kane52630]

Watching MMA helps man disarm an alleged murderer on the subway
http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/blog/ca...t=Ah_I6T3ox66cEspQx1oTnHI5nYcB?urn=mma-321197

On Saturday morning, Joseph Lozito was simply taking the subway to work. Today, he finds himself labeled a hero after taking down a whack job, who seemed intent on adding to a 28-hour stabbing and murder spree.

Lovito said he used an MMA technique to take down a knife-wielding attacker on the No. 3 train. From ABC News:

With a leg swipe, Lozito helped knock down [Maksim] Gelman, a grafitti vandal with at least 10 prior arrests. Lozito said that watching mixed martial arts on television helped him fight Gelman.

"I guess you watch it for 20 years, you just pick up some things through osmosis," he said.

He knew something was wrong when he first jumped on the No. 3:

"When I boarded the train at Penn Station, a good amount of people boarded and I noticed there were two police officers boarding with me. You could hear on their walkie talkies that something was going on...they were there for a reason," Lozito said.

Subway riders had spotted Gelman jumping off one train and onto another early Saturday morning.

When he boarded Lozito's subway car, he pounded on the conductor's door, demanding to be let in.

"When I first saw this man approach the motorman's quarters, he just looked off, he just looked like there was something about him. When he started knocking on the window, telling the police to let him in, it set up a red flag," he said.

Lozito said Gelman, 23, then turned his attention to him.

"Basically, he was about two or three feet away from me. He took out a giant knife and just looked at me and said, 'You're going to die, you're going to die,' and then he lunged at me," Lozito said.

Lozito lunged forward and took Gelman to the floor. From the New York Times:

Once on the ground, Mr. Lozito grabbed his attacker around the waist, and the officers from the motorman’s cab rushed to help. They handcuffed and arrested Mr. Gelman, who was awaiting arraignment Sunday night.

Mr. Lozito suffered four knife wounds to the head and a gash above his left eye. The tribal tattoo on his left triceps was slashed, and a wound on the back of his head required 20 stitches and 18 staples.

"It could have been a lot worse," he said. "I’m glad I wasn’t No. 5 — I’m glad he didn’t kill anyone else."

New York City police were on the lookout for Gelman:

...who killed his mother’s boyfriend, Alexander Kuznetsov; an unrequited love interest, Yelena Bulchenko; and Ms. Bulchenko's mother, Anna Bulchenko.

Gelman also ran over and killed a 62-year-old pedestrian with a car he stole from Kuznetsov. He crashed that Lexus into a Pontiac Bonneville, stabbed that driver and stole the Bonneville. Four hours later, Gelman emerged in Crown Heights and stabbed a livery cab driver.

 

[BlackLantern]

wow....that's f'd up, glad the guy is ok

 

[B]

I'm saying that it doesn't matter if Anderson was injured, he had the option to withdraw, it is his choice to stay, hence it is not an excuse.

It's a perfectly valid reason/excuse, an injured athlete wouldn't be able to perform to the same level he would if he were fully fit. He did choose to fight on, but obviously having a broken/cracked rib is going to effect his performance.

But what I am saying is, hendo could take down Anderson and is one of the best wrestlers to ever enter the octogan, he was taken down quite the bit by Shields.

If memory serves, Henderson took Anderson Silva down once in that fight in the first round & was more as a result of the 2 coming together in the clinch than Henderson actually looking for a takedown. They were then on the ground twice in the second from what I recall, both were Anderson Silva knockdowns followed by him entering Dan Henderson's guard to try & finish.. where Henderson was outgrappled.

Being taken down in MMA is completely different to taking someone down yourself. Just because you are a beast at taking guys down, doesn't mean you have a wicked takedown defense yourself when someone is trying to take you down.

Henderson isn't exactly known for using his wrestling ability to the full either, hes more a brawler than wrestler from what I've seen of him in the cage 90% of the time.

 

[B]

Dana White UFC 127 Video Blog

Just happened to come accross this on youtube, hes on the set of TUF with Lesnar & Dos Santos. I'm actually surprised, Dos Santos speaks pretty good English..

EDIT - UFC 127 Tempers Flare

Holy ****, Bisping looks & sounds pretty pissed at all the mess that has come out of Rivera's mouth..

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Anytime Bisping tries to act tough, Henderson should appear out of nowhere and blow a kiss at him

 

[E-Man]

I wonder if Bisping is going to give in and slug it out with Rivera. He is a more refined striker than Jorge, and I'm picking him to win in his usual fashion of sticking and moving and staying out of trouble. On the other hand Rivera has comically pissed him off, so he might just get mad and try to "stand and trade" like an idiot and get knocked out by Rivera's superior power. I wouldn't mind if it happened. I respect Bisping's skills, but he is pretty annoying.

 

[El Bastardo]

It depresses me that I won't be seeing this event.