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[Norman Osborn]

UFC 127 Picks

Pearson UD over Spencer Fisher. (Really like Fisher but really think he's on the downside of his career)

Lytle TKO over Ebersole (Not sure who he is but his last significant win was against Carlos Newton)

Noke UD over Camozzi (Gimmie for the Aussie crowd)

Sotiropolous Sub over Siver (Siver's looked good but I've seen nothing that indicates he can stop from going to the ground where Sots is a beast!)

Bisping UD over Rivera (Will back up scatter punch his way to a decision...unless he actually wants to try to make a statement in which case it could be interesting...can't see him risking that though)

Fitch UD over Penn (I can't see how a guy who has had questionable cardio at WW will stand the relentless attack of Fitch.......if Penn can't drop him standing it's going to be a long long night!)

 

[E-Man]

Fitch is such a machine that I would pick him over most guys except GSP and maybe Jake Shields. I think he'll do the same thing he always does. Considering how he manhandled one of the biggest guys at welterweight in Alves I think he can do the same to B.J. Alves also has really good takedown defense, so I see him eventually getting B.J. down to do his work. B.J. does have some of the best defensive wrestling in MMA though, so he just might keep Fitch from holding him down. Either way it goes, it's a pretty interesting fight.

 

[Norman Osborn]

Although many of the pseudo-mma fans may consider it a borefest, I would love to see Fitch/Shields for the title (Once GSP vacates of course )

 

[TheVileOne]

I think Penn has punchers chance but I think Fitch will beat Penn much the same way GSP did.

Also Penn is TERRIBLE off his back.

 

[E-Man]

Wow. I hated Bisping before, but I can't believe that I could hate him more. He is such a ***** man. Dirty knee that was obvious after getting tagged. Then takes advantage when the guy can barely stand. Seriously. Give him Anderson so he can get knocked the **** out. I need to see his ass sleep again.

 

[CrypticOne]

Wow. I hated Bisping before, but I can't believe that I could hate him more. He is such a ***** man. Dirty knee that was obvious after getting tagged. Then takes advantage when the guy can barely stand. Seriously. Give him Anderson so he can get knocked the **** out. I need to see his ass sleep again.

Agreed. Set-up Anderson/Bisping. I need a good laugh.

 

[Texas Zombie]

anyone see how penn could take down fitch.
Why would anyone say penn is terrible off his back either? He is the first non brazilian to ever win the brazilian jiu jitsu world championships and after only 3 years of training(that pretty much cements that he is one of the best practitioners of bjj in the sport). Why do you think they call him the prodigy? It is because he is literally a prodigy, he's only 32, he's held the lightweight and welterweight titles, and a BJJ WChamp, he's good in every aspect of the game.

He should train with some olympic wrestlers one summer, it could make him the most well rounded fighter ever.

I hate fitch, all his corner works on is taking people down, if someone can keep him off, he's not a well rounded fighter. It says something when you go to the corner and all they tell you to do is how to better take some one down.

If they ever gave out the stalling card, I am sure fitch would be a recipient rather frequently, sometimes he just doesnt even work, he does throw punches, but he never puts his all into them, he would rather keep throwing and just not get stood up, rather than throwing a few great shots(just ask jon jones).

Bisping has already had the H-Bomb hit his chin and put him to sleep, and just for show america dropped a second right down on top as well, I was certain he was in a coma after that fight. Cut the guy a break

 

[E-Man]

Who the hell said B.J. is bad off his back? I've heard nothing but praise about his guard, even from his biggest haters. If someone said that they need to have their head examined.

 

[CrypticOne]

I told my friend before the Penn/Fitch fight, "Watch Penn go in there and take Fitch down." Didn't expect it, but damn! Finally a game plan Penn follows. Awesome.

The Shogun/Jones promo was amazing. Glad to see Shogun get some shine.

 

[B]

Wow. I hated Bisping before, but I can't believe that I could hate him more. He is such a ***** man. Dirty knee that was obvious after getting tagged. Then takes advantage when the guy can barely stand. Seriously. Give him Anderson so he can get knocked the **** out. I need to see his ass sleep again.

I don't particularly care for Bisping, I don't hate him & I don't particularly like him.. but at the same time lets be fair & give credit where it is due. Had Rivera been in anyway wobbled or significantly hurt by the knee, the fight would have been over & Bisping would have been DQ'd.

In fact after they were restarted when Rivera has a 2 minute recovery period from the illegal knee, he looked even stronger than he did when he came out at the very begining.

Rivera lost because Bisping was far too much of a technical striker/fighter for him, he was quicker & because Bisping's cardio was far superior. Rivera's punches became laboured & the then got tagged with a punch that hurt him followed by an onslaught of strong uppercuts, hooks & strong close range elbows.
Bisping did overreact a little at the end, particularly the spitting just infront of Rivera's coaches.. however I think after enduring weeks of Rivera flapping his gums about Bisping, his family & his country.. well Bisping is entitled to rub every last bit of salt into the wound.

Rumour has it Vitor Belfort could be next for Bisping.. or he has been asking to fight Bisping. So your hope of seeing Bisping getting KO'd again could be sooner rather than later...

 

[hugekent]

Although many of the pseudo-mma fans may consider it a borefest, I would love to see Fitch/Shields for the title (Once GSP vacates of course )

So it takes a real fan to wanna see the world's two most boring fighters fight? I started watching Pride in 2003 and UFC in 2004 and have trained since late 2004. I consider myself a purist but there's no way that fight would be any good.

 

[brainchild81]

UFC live on Vs right now.

So it takes a real fan to wanna see the world's two most boring fighters fight? I started watching Pride in 2003 and UFC in 2004 and have trained since late 2004. I consider myself a purist but there's no way that fight would be any good.

Shields doesn't deserve a shot after his last horrible performance.

 

[E-Man]

So it takes a real fan to wanna see the world's two most boring fighters fight? I started watching Pride in 2003 and UFC in 2004 and have trained since late 2004. I consider myself a purist but there's no way that fight would be any good.

Shields and Fitch would be a great fight because both are really good grapplers. Anytime that happens you have some really good reversals and nice paced action. They're good at nullifying other opponents so it would be nice to see who is the superior grappler.

They get far too much hate than they deserve too. Before Shields' last two fights he was on a 9 fight finishing streak that had some sick subs. He has some slow motion punches, but the guy has some nice highlights of his grappling. Fitch's last fight is being incorrectly labeled as boring because it was a draw. He busted up BJ's face pretty good. He pounded on him in the last round around 150 punches with no answer, yet people are saying he layed and prayed when BJ's face looked worse than any loss he has ever had. It was also B.J. that initialized the grappling, and he didn't throw as many strikes as Fitch did.

Now I might not be rushing to see a Fitch or Shieds fight. They aren't the most entertaining fighters in MMA, but together they could really put on a show. If not those two then have one fight Dong Hyun Kim. Great grapplers put together can really be exciting because they don't just lay on their backs and whine about "real fighting" after they lose.

 

[El Bastardo]

Man, Kampmann got robbed by that fat cow. I can't believe Sanchez looked as fat and spongy as BJ does.

 

[Iron_Stark]

It was a close decision but there was no robbery.

 

[E-Man]

Diego looked off last night. He still had okay cardio, but normally he's going 100 miles a minute and bouncing around like an over hyper kid. Him looking chubby didn't help either. Hopefully it's just a one time thing and doesn't become a trend. Diego is usually in great shape and runs around doing cartwheels and stuff.

 

[B]

Something seriously needs to be done about the judges/judging & the general scoring of MMA fights because Diego Sanchez beating Martin Kampmann last night was (yet another) ****ing outrageous & controversial decision.. and as far as I am concerned it was wrong.

Diego Sanchez attempted (from what I understand 16 takedown attempts) & Kampmann stuffed 15 of them.. the one time Sanchez actually got him down, he was back up inside 30 seconds. You can't ****ing score a fight as if 1 takedown can make the difference between winning & losing a round if you've tried 5 others in the round & failed on them all... if going for a takedown counts big, then so should stuffing them.. or at least in the manner Kampmann did it.

Kampmann also outlanded Sanchez in every round with the far cleaner strikes... I mean you just need to look at Diego Sanchez's face & then look at Kampmann's & then try to argue that his punches were not far cleaner & more damaging.

The one round I actually gave Sanchez would have been the third & it was for the simple fact that it was the one round he had better success in the striking, grappling & worked harder..
This was definatly a 29-28 fight.. but that being said Kampmann should have been the winner.. this was a bad decision.

But this **** really needs clarified & sorted, with MMA's growth alot of people have bets & whatnot riding on fights & it seems like you can get absolutely pummelled and manage to win a fight.

Either fix the ****ing scoring system or make every fight 5 rounds..

It was an outstanding fight that I felt was kinda let down by the decision..

 

[B]

C.B. Dollaway needs to thank the referee by the way rather than complain as if he was fine, he saved him from eating another handful of hammerfists that probably would have left him with a concussion..

Diego looked off last night. He still had okay cardio, but normally he's going 100 miles a minute and bouncing around like an over hyper kid. Him looking chubby didn't help either. Hopefully it's just a one time thing and doesn't become a trend. Diego is usually in great shape and runs around doing cartwheels and stuff.

He needs to commit to being a welterweight & pack on some muscle that will stop him having the safety net of the lightweight division.. either that or else cut weight & drop to featherweight if he could make the cut..

Looked like the weight that is actually making him a welterweight was fat rather than muscle.. he needs to change this I feel.. especally when you have beasts like Thaigo Alves, John Fitch, GSP etc who are all 170lbs of solid muscle..

 

[El Bastardo]

Something seriously needs to be done about the judges/judging & the general scoring of MMA fights because Diego Sanchez beating Martin Kampmann last night was (yet another) ****ing outrageous & controversial decision.. and as far as I am concerned it was wrong.

Diego Sanchez attempted (from what I understand 16 takedown attempts) & Kampmann stuffed 15 of them.. the one time Sanchez actually got him down, he was back up inside 30 seconds. You can't ****ing score a fight as if 1 takedown can make the difference between winning & losing a round if you've tried 5 others in the round & failed on them all... if going for a takedown counts big, then so should stuffing them.. or at least in the manner Kampmann did it.

Kampmann also outlanded Sanchez in every round with the far cleaner strikes... I mean you just need to look at Diego Sanchez's face & then look at Kampmann's & then try to argue that his punches were not far cleaner & more damaging.

The one round I actually gave Sanchez would have been the third & it was for the simple fact that it was the one round he had better success in the striking, grappling & worked harder..
This was definatly a 29-28 fight.. but that being said Kampmann should have been the winner.. this was a bad decision.

But this **** really needs clarified & sorted, with MMA's growth alot of people have bets & whatnot riding on fights & it seems like you can get absolutely pummelled and manage to win a fight.

Either fix the ****ing scoring system or make every fight 5 rounds..

It was an outstanding fight that I felt was kinda let down by the decision..

Agreed on all counts. I don't know that it was necessarily the takedown, but if you look at the ends of both Rounds 2 and 3, Diego turned on the heat at both. He ended the last 40 or so seconds of Round 2 with a flurry that didn't land much of all - but oh, he was the aggressor! Same thing with Round 3, with the added detriment to Kampmann that he had broken his hand, so he was backing up more than committing.

But I do have to blame Kampmann some, too. He doesn't ever fight his own fights. Rather, he lets his opponent dictate the fight. Or he at least decides he's going to fight his opponent at their strongest place. Look at him trying to box Paul Daley. Look at how close he had Shields beat, and then decided to roll around on the ground with him.

 

[B]

Agreed on all counts. I don't know that it was necessarily the takedown, but if you look at the ends of both Rounds 2 and 3, Diego turned on the heat at both. He ended the last 40 or so seconds of Round 2 with a flurry that didn't land much of all - but oh, he was the aggressor! Same thing with Round 3, with the added detriment to Kampmann that he had broken his hand, so he was backing up more than committing.

In some cases, what Sanchez did at the end of the 2nd & 3rd rounds could just earn him that round.. infact I thought it did swing him the 3rd round, however it shouldn't have won him the 2nd round. You can't score a round based on the last 10 seconds, sure Sanchez let off a good flurry.. but he was eating punches & failing in takedown attempts for the rest of the round..

Being the aggressor is one thing, but if you are eating punches & end up with a face like Sanchez did.. I mean.. it just leaves me speachless how a judge could score a round in the favour of the person that ate the most punches & has a face like hamburger meat.

But I do have to blame Kampmann some, too. He doesn't ever fight his own fights. Rather, he lets his opponent dictate the fight. Or he at least decides he's going to fight his opponent at their strongest place. Look at him trying to box Paul Daley. Look at how close he had Shields beat, and then decided to roll around on the ground with him.

This is one of the reasons I like Martin Kampmann.. & it's also one of the reasons hes quite frustrating to watch.
He doesn't give a **** hes just in there to cause some pain & fight, if you wanna grapple, he'll grapple, if you wanna brawl, he'll brawl etc.

Hes got great takedown defense for a guy that is a) Non-American & b) Primarily a striker, his grappling ability I think is pretty darn decent as well.

If he could keep his head in fights & not get sucked into fighting his opponents match, he could definatly be a future WW Champion.. he gave Shields a very good fight & could very well have won, I'd have actually prefared to see Kampmann fight GSP as opposed to Shields as we are just gonna see a repeat of what happened against Koscheck IMO. Whereas Kampmann is more well rounded than Shields is & would have given GSP some more trouble.

 

[CrypticOne]

Just watched Sanchez/Kampmann. I personally thought Kampmann won.

 

[brainchild81]

Bellator 36 on MTV2 right now. Strikeforce: Hendo/Feijao on Showtime in an hour. Heavyweight GP will NOT be continuing 2nite. It's been pushed back

It was a close decision but there was no robbery.

Ditto. I can see why Deigo won.

 

[B]

I can't get Showtime in the UK, I did see BAMMA 5 the other night.. all the fights were crap but Paul Daley looked sharp.

 

[WillardNation]

Am I the only one wondering why in the hell Lesnar is a coach on the new season of TUF? I mean, I'm a Lesnar fan but he himself is waaaay too new to the sport and still has so much to learn himself. I just don't see him being a good coach.

 

[B]

Am I the only one wondering why in the hell Lesnar is a coach on the new season of TUF? I mean, I'm a Lesnar fan but he himself is waaaay too new to the sport and still has so much to learn himself. I just don't see him being a good coach.

Even though the UFC fighters that are billed as coaches on TUF, they aren't actually coaches. They bring in whatever guys they use in their camps & they largely do most of the coaching.

Lesnar's got top level experience in wrestling though & can surely teach his team things that perhaps Dos Santos arguably won't be able to teach his team as well.. and vice versa with Dos Santos striking.

Last year GSP did very little coaching, he brought in a **** load of his own guys & really only seemed to serve as an advanced sparring partner.. won't work as well this year as Dos Santos & Lesnar both dwarf their teams