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Rashad Evans: "I'm done with Greg Jackson's"

 

[WalkingDeadMike]

I'm glad Bones won and he really impressed me with his absolute dismantling of Shogun.

I was really disappointed in Faber's performance though. To not only not be able to finish the fight, but to lose a round to Eddie Wineland just goes to show that he's not the fighter he was before the Brown fights.

 

[E-Man]

Rashad Evans: "I'm done with Greg Jackson's"

Their fight is going to be a study in why teammates don't fight. People get it mixed up and think it's just friends who hung out a few times not fighting, but being someone's training partner is a lot different. Now that Rashad has left the gym he has been a part of for about 6 years now we'll see how it affects him.

I'm glad Bones won and he really impressed me with his absolute dismantling of Shogun.

I was really disappointed in Faber's performance though. To not only not be able to finish the fight, but to lose a round to Eddie Wineland just goes to show that he's not the fighter he was before the Brown fights.

Losing a round is no big deal. It's not like Wineland is a scrub, and he's significantly bigger than Faber.

 

[WalkingDeadMike]

I know losing one round isn't a big deal. But when you were in the discussion for best P4P fighter in the world not that long ago and you lose 1 to a nobody like Eddie ****ing Wineland it says your game isn't where it once was. And I know Wineland is a former WEC Bantumweight champion, but he is a scrub. The biggest win of his career was against George Roop and conversely he has bad loses like the one where he lost his belt to Chase Beebe.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Can't wait till Jones shows up on the Jason Ellis show soon

 

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Their fight is going to be a study in why teammates don't fight. People get it mixed up and think it's just friends who hung out a few times not fighting, but being someone's training partner is a lot different. Now that Rashad has left the gym he has been a part of for about 6 years now we'll see how it affects him.

It's foolishness I feel, if your gonna be reluctant to fight people you train with should a time ever arise in which effectively you both are the top 2 guys in one weightclass then you need to be training on your own or at a different camp.

This is an individual sport not a team sport, having a training partner as champion isn't benifitial to your own individual glory.

It's an odd & interesting matchup between Evans/Jones.. I've been reading the comments on Sky Sports about Jon Jones & already we have his hype train coming declaring him the G.O.A.T. with no weaknesses.. hes not really been tested yet by a good grappler, Shogun gave brief glimpses of a gameplan in regards to grappling in the sense that he twice dove for Jones's legs after he gave him his back. His legs & arms give him a massive reach advantage over practically everyone in the UFC.. but because of their length they are also highly susceptible to be singled out for an armbar, leglock etc if hes matched up with someone who is adept in submissions.

 

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Check out this epicness of a trailer for UFC 129: GSP vs Shields.

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This is another badass trailer for a GSP fight, the GSP vs Koscheck one was as good as this as well.

GSP vs Shields is gonna be a great fight, Shields is relentless in his takedown attempts.. he won't be prepared to stand with GSP like Koscheck seemingly was.

 

[WalkingDeadMike]

I think that fight is going to be boring. I hope I'm wrong.

I'm more looking forward to seeing Jose Aldo **** Mark Hominick's **** up.

 

[E-Man]

Yeah man that trailer was excellent. It's crazy how people aren't giving Shields credit when he's had one of the best records in MMA for about six years now. I've counted the guy out enough to just write him off. Do I think GSP has him beat in all areas? Hell yeah, but that's more of a testament to GSP's greatness than Jake's ability. I'd pick GSP against anyone besides maybe Anderson. Jake on the other hand has the skill to beat anyone, and has done it at two weight classes. I'm glad he's finally in the UFC so he can get some respect.

 

[Paroxysm]

I think GSP will grind out a UD.

I want Jones vs Silva!

 

[mrvlknight21]

Simply amazing. Wow.

Shogun is gonna steamroll Jones. Can't wait.

Jones is going to get skull ****ed by Shogun. Beating Bader was good, but Shogun is on another level.
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HAHA! Jones stand-up is sloppy as hell. I don't know what some of you guys are seeing. Jones is a good wrestler. His striking is flashy, but it sucks. He's only landed some of the stuff he has because of his reach. Shogun is a muay thai specialist. I expect Jones to either get knocked on the feet or leg-locked.

You guys were way off. He won just as I expected. t:

 

[WalkingDeadMike]

I think GSP will grind out a UD.

Yup, by 'lay and pray'ing for 5 rounds.

I want Jones vs Silva!

Me too, but I want to see Silva/GSP in a catchweight fight first.

 

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Jon Jones reminds me of Anderson Silva in the manner in which he moves & strikes.. he also has a similar'ish sort of frame in the sense he has long legs & arms like Silva does.

The chances of seeing Silva/Jones are very small, I believe Silva said after his last move up that he had no desire to fight at 205 anymore because Dana White apparently told him that the next time he moves up it would be permanent & that hes happier/better at 185.

Even though Jones & Silva have similar'ish body types & frames, Silva is far more natural & suited to fighting at 185 & Jones is far more suited to 205. During training Silva's weight naturally falls to about 190-195 I believe I've read, whereas Jones said I think about a week before the fight that he was 212 a week before the fight.

Size will make a difference in this fight in the same way that it would make a difference between Silva/GSP..

Catchweight for both would be the fairest way for either champion vs champion fight.

Getting abit ahead of things though, Jones is barely champion & hasn't even had a title defense yet whereas Silva has what 8(?) title defenses & cleaned out a division and GSP has 6(?) & has effectively cleaned out a divison as well bar Shields who I expect him to defeat.

 

[Paroxysm]

Jon Jones reminds me of Anderson Silva in the manner in which he moves & strikes.. he also has a similar'ish sort of frame in the sense he has long legs & arms like Silva does.

The chances of seeing Silva/Jones are very small, I believe Silva said after his last move up that he had no desire to fight at 205 anymore because Dana White apparently told him that the next time he moves up it would be permanent & that hes happier/better at 185.

Even though Jones & Silva have similar'ish body types & frames, Silva is far more natural & suited to fighting at 185 & Jones is far more suited to 205. During training Silva's weight naturally falls to about 190-195 I believe I've read, whereas Jones said I think about a week before the fight that he was 212 a week before the fight.

Size will make a difference in this fight in the same way that it would make a difference between Silva/GSP..

Catchweight for both would be the fairest way for either champion vs champion fight.

Getting abit ahead of things though, Jones is barely champion & hasn't even had a title defense yet whereas Silva has what 8(?) title defenses & cleaned out a division and GSP has 6(?) & has effectively cleaned out a divison as well bar Shields who I expect him to defeat.

We'll see Jones vs Silva down the road, it will happen. Heck even Lorenzo Fertitta wants it to happen.

"Bones vs. Silva? Who wants it?"
http://***********/lorenzofertitta/status/49347969090203648

 

[E-Man]

Jon Jones shouldn't even think about Silva until he's defended his title a few times. LHW has changed hands six times in the last three years alone, and there hasn't been someone defend it successfully more than once since Chuck. I'm all for the Jones hype, and I'm a huge fan of the guy. Still, he's not on Anderson's level yet regardless of whether or not he matches up well with him. Let him get some title defenses under his belt then the super fight talk could happen. If Cain is as great as I think he'll be, and Bones naturally gets bigger I could see a fight there in a few years.

 

[zanos]

The Shogun Vs. Jones fight reminds me so much of the Franklin and Silva fight. Btw, Jones has the personality of a rock.

I think that fight is going to be boring. I hope I'm wrong.

I'm more looking forward to seeing Jose Aldo **** Mark Hominick's **** up.

GSP usually dismantles grapplers.

 

[TheVileOne]

Jones has a good test ahead of him in Rashad Evans. Evans knows Jones a lot better than Shogun does. Evans is also a better wrestler which could give him an advantage. I like Jones in the fight, but hey anything can happen in a fight. If Evans comes with the perfect gameplan he can win.

Shogun had a terrible gameplan because he underestimated Jones' takedowns and striking. Shogun at one point got Jones back and tried a leglock which I guess was a sound idea because Jones has those long legs and I imagine Shogun wanted to work over the legs in the fight but Jones was too defensive on the ground. Shogun should've just pushed forward and gotten Jones in the pocket and against the fence. Not saying that would've worked but it was a better strategy than what he went in with. Jones is just too big, strong, and athletic.

Shogun should not feel terrible because what Jones did to him he would do to most anyone else on a given night. Bader was undefeated and perfect in MMA and the UFC before their fight and Bader got a solid win over Lil Nog who once went to war with Shogun.

I think Shogun needs to just heal up and be a little more active. I hope his knee is really alright this time but he needs to be more active and get acclimated to the Octagon again. He also needs to work on building some more muscle and cust some of the body fat. He's looked a little soft in his last couple of fights. I think he needs to bring in guys like the Marinovich's to get his strength and conditioning back up.

I'd like to see a Shogun/Lil Nog rematch provided Lil Nog loses to Phil Davis.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

@1:38, what move is that?

 

[E-Man]

^Calf crusher maybe? It looks like one of those moves that catch wrestlers go for a lot.

 

[TheVileOne]

Yeah Jon Jones needs to think about Rashad Evans who will know him a lot better in a fight than Shogun. I don't think Evans will beat him but anything is possible in MMA. If Evans comes in with the perfect gameplan and avoids Jones' strength he could blanket or wall and stall Jones to the title.

 

[Mace Bloodstone]

Zombie vs Garcia was ok, the rest I could have gone without.

Glad tonights fights were not ppv...

 

[E-Man]

That Korean Zombie sub was wicked! I'm glad he got the finish because I had a feeling that Garcia would somehow get the nod again if it went to the judges.

People are going to rail on Davis, but for a prospect to beat a seasoned vet like Nog that was a good win. Sure he needs work in some areas, but he showed a nice chin, good defense on the feet, and a willingness to adapt. With time he can be a top fighter, but people need to take their time with anointing him as the future champ.

 

[CrypticOne]

I can't wait to see Jones get knocked. I don't know what the hell was wrong with Shogun, he looked slow as hell! We all know Evans is gonna lose. No way his chin can take what Shogun's did. It'll probably be a grapple-fest though. Jones by UD. Then, Rampage will probably get the next shot....and I don't think he'll be much against Jones.

The only person I see beating Jones is Machida. Boom.

 

[Mace Bloodstone]

Machida is fighting Couture. Hmmm

 

[CrypticOne]

Machida is fighting Couture. Hmmm

Yup. And I see Couture being finished by a knee to the body with followed up ground and pound.