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[CrypticOne]

Someone even said before the show that Lesnar wouldn't fight. That something like this would happen and Carwin would be brought in. HAHA!

I hope Dos Santos still wins.

Man, these main events are getting shaken up! First Edgar/Maynard, and now this. Dana can't be too happy.

I'd rather see Dos Santos/Carwin, to be honest though.

 

[Mace Bloodstone]

This is what killed boxing for me, the top guys only fighting 1 or 2 times a year. Why should Cain or anyone else still be the champ if they can't defend it within a certain amount of time..

 

[B]

Carwin will loose via lactic acid again.

Carwin's cardio was horrific against Lesnar, that being said.. Dos Santos didn't look too hot in the 2nd & 3rd rounds against Big Country after he couldn't put him away.

I've a feeling this will be a short fight, someone is getting dropped.

 

[B]

This is what killed boxing for me, the top guys only fighting 1 or 2 times a year. Why should Cain or anyone else still be the champ if they can't defend it within a certain amount of time..

This is part of the reason I think Dana introduced more weightclasses into the sport. Had he not, right now he'd have his HW, LHW & LW champion(s) (+The No.1 contender for LW) all sidelined with injuries.. leaving only his WW & MW divisions running.

This seems to have only happened as MMA has become more main stream, when people like Tito, Chuck, Franklin, B.J., Matt Hughes etc where all champions & running the place I can hardly even remember any fights being pulled because of an injury.. maybe that's just me though.

 

[El Bastardo]

It's kind of a moot point fight, just like Lesnar-Dos Santos was. Whichever one wins is going to get destroyed when Cain fights them, although Carwin probably does have the best chance among them.

 

[B]

It's kind of a moot point fight, just like Lesnar-Dos Santos was. Whichever one wins is going to get destroyed when Cain fights them, although Carwin probably does have the best chance among them.

I wouldn't be so sure. Velasquez is on a hype train at the moment, the Lesnar fight I feel flattered the opinion that Velasquez has great striking & is therefore superbly well rounded.

He has only faced 1 proper striker to date & that was Cheick Kongo who gave him problems & took him to a decision. Primarily he has fought guys with 'average/below average' strikers. If Dos Santos had fought Lesnar, stuffed his takedowns & KO'd Lesnar, he'd be considered a real true threat to Velasquez.. my feeling is, until we see someone trying to grapple with Dos Santos, we just won't know.

 

[Mako]

I wouldn't be so sure. Velasquez is on a hype train at the moment, the Lesnar fight I feel flattered the opinion that Velasquez has great striking & is therefore superbly well rounded.

He has only faced 1 proper striker to date & that was Cheick Kongo who gave him problems & took him to a decision. Primarily he has fought guys with 'average/below average' strikers. If Dos Santos had fought Lesnar, stuffed his takedowns & KO'd Lesnar, he'd be considered a real true threat to Velasquez.. my feeling is, until we see someone trying to grapple with Dos Santos, we just won't know.

All great points.

 

[E-Man]

Carwin's cardio was horrific against Lesnar, that being said.. Dos Santos didn't look too hot in the 2nd & 3rd rounds against Big Country after he couldn't put him away.

I've a feeling this will be a short fight, someone is getting dropped.

I'm thinking that Carwin either wins with a big KO in the first, or JDS has sick power and knocks out Carwin in the second after he gasses.

 

[Paroxysm]

Either way, someones getting their dome rung!

 

[Mako]

Either way, someones getting their dome rung!

That's an understatement .

 

[El Bastardo]

I wouldn't be so sure. Velasquez is on a hype train at the moment, the Lesnar fight I feel flattered the opinion that Velasquez has great striking & is therefore superbly well rounded.

He has only faced 1 proper striker to date & that was Cheick Kongo who gave him problems & took him to a decision. Primarily he has fought guys with 'average/below average' strikers. If Dos Santos had fought Lesnar, stuffed his takedowns & KO'd Lesnar, he'd be considered a real true threat to Velasquez.. my feeling is, until we see someone trying to grapple with Dos Santos, we just won't know.

I'm not on any Velasquez hype train. And if Velasquez has one, so too do Carwin and Dos Santos, and those two have been going strong despite Carwin's loss and all because of Dos Santos's ear-wiggle knockout on Werdum, respectively.

Cain did have trouble against Kongo, and that's made him all the better. Since that, Cain has improved leaps and bounds ahead of Lesnar, Carwin, and Dos Santos. Assuming he comes back from the injury fine, with no psychological problems, he'll still be better than them.

 

[B]

I'm not on any Velasquez hype train. And if Velasquez has one, so too do Carwin and Dos Santos, and those two have been going strong despite Carwin's loss and all because of Dos Santos's ear-wiggle knockout on Werdum, respectively.

Cain did have trouble against Kongo, and that's made him all the better. Since that, Cain has improved leaps and bounds ahead of Lesnar, Carwin, and Dos Santos. Assuming he comes back from the injury fine, with no psychological problems, he'll still be better than them.

I'm not suggesting you are onboard, however he does have a hype train currently on level with that of Dos Santos, alot feel that because of how they've won their recent fights that they are near unbeatable. Carwin's has died down since his cardio flaws where exploited by Lesnar.

I'm not so sure, I mean since Kongo hes only fought Ben Rothwell & Nogueira. Neither are particularly known for their striking, Rothwell is just a guy with power & little striking technique & Nogueira's striking is decent, but he looks & fights older than he is.. dare I say he is about 4/5 years over the hill.

The only way we will know how his striking has improved is if he fights Dos Santos should he win as he is arguably the most dangerous striker in the HW division because he is technically good, with alot of power. Carwin isn't technically outstanding, however he has a **** load of power.. it just runs out quickly.

 

[El Bastardo]

You're not so sure about what? That he's improved? Regardless of his opponents' striking abilities, the ease and accuracy with which he scored shots on Nogueira speaks well of improvement. The Rothwell fight, though, true, does not display improved striking so much as other elements of Cain's game. And then his performance against Lesnar is a mixture of the two.

 

[Siddean]

Think Carwin will employ his Frank Mir strategy here and press Dos Santos up against the cage and work some dirty boxing. Take him down off the cage, ground and pound. Think he'll have learned his lesson about blowing his load after the Lesnar fight.

 

[B]

You're not so sure about what? That he's improved? Regardless of his opponents' striking abilities, the ease and accuracy with which he scored shots on Nogueira speaks well of improvement. The Rothwell fight, though, true, does not display improved striking so much as other elements of Cain's game. And then his performance against Lesnar is a mixture of the two.

I'm not so sure he has improved as much as people feel he has is what I'm saying.

Nogueira though to be fair is a human punching bag to take the words of Chael Sonnen, it's harsh, but is quite accurate. He can take a punch, but he has little head movement & gets tagged quite alot. If your fighting someone fairly smart, like Cain is, they will pick him apart with strong accurate jabs & straight combos.

We will soon know if he has improved when he next fights a fairly accomplished striker, until now he has only really fought grappling based opponents & he has indeed had good enough hands to beat them.

 

[Iron_Stark]

edit.

oops, wrong thread!

 

[Paroxysm]

Aldo's injured and out of the Mendes fight.

 

[CrypticOne]

Aldo's injured and out of the Mendes fight.

That's not surprising. Every champ seems to be getting injured.

 

[Paroxysm]

That's not surprising. Every champ seems to be getting injured.

I know, lol I guess they train too hard.

 

[Paroxysm]

Jose Aldo says he is still fighting Mendes and is not injured, contrary to reports.

 

[Bubonic]

Anyone watch the Ultimate Fighter last night?
That **** was nuts!
Chuck just brutalized Gary Busey,it's so harsh how it ended up for him though, really reminds you how unforgiving the sport is.
Second fight was quick, but the wrong guy won. MacGillvray deserved it more as a person, but life don't play out that way.
I just hope Chuck can end this ********s career as well.

 

[ReTrO JuNkIe 42]

Anyone watch the Ultimate Fighter last night?
That **** was nuts!
Chuck just brutalized Gary Busey,it's so harsh how it ended up for him though, really reminds you how unforgiving the sport is.
Second fight was quick, but the wrong guy won. MacGillvray deserved it more as a person, but life don't play out that way.
I just hope Chuck can end this ********s career as well.

yeah to bad he ended the wrong guys career, I hope chuck wins it all

 

[El Bastardo]

What happened?

 

[Bubonic]

In the rematch between Chuck and Zack, Chuck came out banging and Zack weathered the storm, but he'd of done better not being so ****ing tough.
Zack tore BOTH of his retinas and had to have surgery immediately after, one more punch could make him completely blind and now his career is over.
The worst thing is that he had already won against Chuck! What a nightmare for him.
I forget the other guys name, big ears, Mexican, might be Tony, anyways he flashed Macgillvray in the first few seconds with an uppercut and ground n pound, and MacGillvray was built as a very nice guy and they had us feeling for him and his daughter that he didn't want to disappoint.
Then that night they all got drunk and Tony was just being unforgivably ******, so I would of wished that MacGillvray was still in it, and Zacks condition be put on Tony.

 

[El Bastardo]

Holy crap.