Oh, Don Imus, You So Crazy!

[StorminNorman]

Yes Al Sharpton has made some bogus statements but there have been times, in recent history) when his activism has been needed.

What positives have Al Sharpton done? Does it negate the fact that he constantly cripples the black culture by continuing the message that "we are all victims and will never have a chance to succeed in this hateful country" while wearing expensive watches, driving expensive cars, living in expensive houses and probably sleeping with expensive women?

Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson, Jerimiah Wright - they are all hypocritical, racist, hateful, disgusting con-men pretending to play the role of "Reverend". The country and the world would be a better place without them.

 

[The Chairman]

What positives have Al Sharpton done? Does it negate the fact that he constantly cripples the black culture by continuing the message that "we are all victims and will never have a chance to succeed in this hateful country" while wearing expensive watches, driving expensive cars, living in expensive houses and probably sleeping with expensive women?

Don't forget that his kids go to Polly Prep, one of the most difficult schools in the coutry to get accepted into and one that has a predominantly white student body.

Yeah, Al, you've had such a hard time.

 

[Tag279]

What positives have Al Sharpton done? Does it negate the fact that he constantly cripples the black culture by continuing the message that "we are all victims and will never have a chance to succeed in this hateful country" while wearing expensive watches, driving expensive cars, living in expensive houses and probably sleeping with expensive women?

Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson, Jerimiah Wright - they are all hypocritical, racist, hateful, disgusting con-men pretending to play the role of "Reverend". The country and the world would be a better place without them.

The Jena 6 case, 5-young people charged as adults wrongly.

The African man shot 57 times in NY for holding up his wallet.

The klansmen that dragged the man in Texas from the bumper of his truck.

The young man found in my state (Mississippi) hanging from a tree. The police were not willing to persue the case.

The two young men that were burning black churches in Alabama as a prank.

The incidents I have listed above warranted some type of action IMO.

There have been other incidents that Sharpton and Jessie have been involved with that were not needed they are listed below:

The Outcry over the Carolina state flag was a waste of time.

The going after Duke Lacrosse team when we knew the woman was gold-digging. And suckering a DA up for re-election was stupid.

Tiwana Bawley yes that was a un-needed fiasco.

Jessie was with King when he was assasinated. Al has done some bad things as well as some good.

 

[The Chairman]

The Jena 6 case, 5-young people charged as adults wrongly.

I agree with that.

The African man shot 57 times in NY for holding up his wallet.

If you're referring to Amodu Dialo (sp?), it was 41 times, and he was told by the cops to put his hands up. If a man disobeys a cop and reaches for his pocket, it's ony natural for the cops to assume he has a weapon. He brough it upon himself.

The klansmen that dragged the man in Texas from the bumper of his truck.

I'll agree with that.

The young man found in my state (Mississippi) hanging from a tree. The police were not willing to persue the case.

Agreed there as well.

The two young men that were burning black churches in Alabama as a prank.

The incidents I have listed above warranted some type of action IMO.

And yet there's many more incidents where Al has stuck his nose in without any reason other than to make himself heard. Where was Al when a black man killed a woman just because she was white?

Al thinks everyone is a victim and that the "Big Bad Man White Man" needs to be taken down. He's a disgrace to the African American community who only does most of what he does to get paid.

Jessie was with King when he was assasinated.

What does this prove?

 

[Tag279]

quote=Tag279]The Jena 6 case, 5-young people charged as adults wrongly.[/b]

I agree with that.


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The African man shot 57 times in NY for holding up his wallet.

If you're referring to Amodu Dialo (sp?), it was 41 times, and he was told by the cops to put his hands up. If a man disobeys a cop and reaches for his pocket, it's ony natural for the cops to assume he has a weapon. He brough it upon himself.


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The klansmen that dragged the man in Texas from the bumper of his truck.

I'll agree with that.


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The young man found in my state (Mississippi) hanging from a tree. The police were not willing to persue the case.

Agreed there as well.


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Originally Posted by Tag279
The two young men that were burning black churches in Alabama as a prank.

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Originally Posted by Tag279
The incidents I have listed above warranted some type of action IMO.

And yet there's many more incidents where Al has stuck his nose in without any reason other than to make himself heard. Where was Al when a black man killed a woman just because she was white?

Al thinks everyone is a victim and that the "Big Bad Man White Man" needs to be taken down. He's a disgrace to the African American community who only does most of what he does to get paid.



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Jessie was with King when he was assasinated.

What does this prove?

This last statement proves nothing this is the only reason Jessie has any voice on the national level. Not so much by merit moreso by just being there.

 

[The Chairman]

This last statement proves nothing this is the only reason Jessie has any voice on the national level. Not so much by merit moreso by just being there.

And what merit does Al have? Inciting racial tension for the hell of it?

 

[Matt]

Jena 6 was blown out of porportion. White teenagers would've been tried as adults too. Why? Because it is a common plea bargaining technique. Every day, hundreds of suspects are presented with trumped up charges to scare them into pleaing into a lesser charge. Its not a race thing, it is a common technique.

As for the groom shooting, the police were justified. I've explained how numerous times, if you'd like another explanation of Garner v. Tennessee just ask.

As for the police being unwilling to persue the hanging, maybe it was because they hit a dead end? Hundreds of murders of white people go unsolved in this country each year yet you don't see Al Sharpton marching to get the police to open those back up.

As for the rest, they are crimes, not institutionalized racism as Al Sharpton would like to act and I really don't see how Al Sharpton making a huge fuss over a crime, hate crime or not, is going to help racism or do anything but hinder a police investigation. Bill Cosby has been ten times more useful to the cause of civil rights than Sharpton, yet he never gets the credit for it.

 

[The Senator]

Jena 6 was blown out of porportion. White teenagers would've been tried as adults too. Why? Because it is a common plea bargaining technique. Every day, hundreds of suspects are presented with trumped up charges to scare them into pleaing into a lesser charge. Its not a race thing, it is a common technique.

Except some of them, if not all of them, were also charged for attempted murder in an assault case. While I agree they should have been charged for assault, it seems like an absolute injustice that these kids were charged for attempted murder when that wasn't the case. Also, it strikes me as... interesting... that the white kids who put nooses in that tree weren't charged for committing a hate crime or harassment, when such charges would be justified under the law.

I understand your arguments on the other cases... but if you think racism was not evident in the Jena Six case, you're beyond naive.

 

[The Chairman]

As for the rest, they are crimes, not institutionalized racism as Al Sharpton would like to act and I really don't see how Al Sharpton making a huge fuss over a crime, hate crime or not, is going to help racism or do anything but hinder a police investigation. Bill Cosby has been ten times more useful to the cause of civil rights than Sharpton, yet he never gets the credit for it.

Because they see Cosby as a old, crazy self hating African American person.

 

[Matt]

Sure...there was some, but is putting nooses in trees on one occassion harrassment? Is it a hate crime? It is horrible, but its a free speech issue. To charge someone for it is absurd. The school should've suspended them, no doubt, but criminal charges?

As for the attempted murder, yet, I'd agree there are some racial over tones, but again, look at how any district attorney works, presenting trumped up charges such as attempted murder in order to get the suspect to plea down to assault is not uncommon, however, if the suspect will not plea down, it is also not uncommon for the DA to leave attempted murder on the table, just to let the jury shoot it down in order to save face and say "I'm tough on crime!"

 

[The Senator]

Sure...there was some, but is putting nooses in trees on one occassion harrassment? Is it a hate crime? It is horrible, but its a free speech issue. To charge someone for it is absurd. The school should've suspended them, no doubt, but criminal charges?

Are you ****ing kidding me?

No, seriously-- are you ****ing kidding me?

The noose, erected by white students to scare off black students because they were hanging out under a tree on school property which the white kids declared their own, was not harassment? It was not a hate crime?

So, let me guess, when people put Swastikas up on the doors of Jewish professors, that's just freedom of speech? No hate there?

When members of the KKK burn crosses in the lawns of African Americans, that's just freedom of speech? No hate there at all?

Incidents like these have resulted in hate crime charges and harassment charges nationwide. For some strange reason, these modern laws didn't resonate in Jena, Louisiana. These nooses were not hung because they were pretty decorations; they were hung to frighten African Americans, because sixty years ago in places like Jena, LA, African Americans were taken by white supremacists, brutally beaten and hanged. Their bodies were left in trees for days, if not weeks, and no one did anything about it.

Tell me this didn't have some sort of racist overtone. Tell me this wasn't harassment, when it was documented that these white teenagers had shown annoyance towards allowing these black students a chance to hang out under a tree on school property.

As for the attempted murder, yet, I'd agree there are some racial over tones, but again, look at how any district attorney works, presenting trumped up charges such as attempted murder in order to get the suspect to plea down to assault is not uncommon, however, if the suspect will not plea down, it is also not uncommon for the DA to leave attempted murder on the table, just to let the jury shoot it down in order to save face and say "I'm tough on crime!"

I disagree with this, wholeheartedly. I've watched the slimeball DA from Jena speak on this topic, it is quite obvious that he was not acting within the context of the crime to charge these kids with attempted murder. There was no plan to kill these kids, the extent of the injuries did not go anywhere near murder-- the worst these kids should have been charged with was aggravated assault. And there was a good reason why it was aggravated assault: These white kids harassed these black kids by hanging nooses in a tree.

This DA has very little knowledge of the law, and his adamant defense of charging these kids with attempted murder shows that he truly believes the charges should stand.

I understand how you think that some people blow the race argument out of proportion, but seriously Matt, this goes way too far. If this incident took place in New Hampshire, these white kids would be charged with harassment and the African Americans would be charged with assault. Both groups of kids would have been suspended from school, and it would have been over within a week. An African American student would not be sitting in prison, waiting to be charged for attempted murder as an adult when there was no intent to murder those white kids.

 

[Matt]

I will respond to your second part tonight, when I have more time (gotta get to the bar and do the books for like, the past week) but I am arguing that even if someone hangs a swastika on their door, you ought not to charge them. Is it wrong? Yes. Is the intent filled with hate? Yes. Is it a crime? It shouldn't be under our constitution. They have free speech and free expression, no matter how vile their message is. As long as they did not say, "I'm coming to kill you," then they are protected. It sucks, but I'd rather let racist ass holes get away with saying a few things than risk allowing any form of government to trample on our most essential right.

 

[The Senator]

I will respond to your second part tonight, when I have more time (gotta get to the bar and do the books for like, the past week) but I am arguing that even if someone hangs a swastika on their door, you ought not to charge them. Is it wrong? Yes. Is the intent filled with hate? Yes. Is it a crime? It shouldn't be under our constitution. They have free speech and free expression, no matter how vile their message is. As long as they did not say, "I'm coming to kill you," then they are protected. It sucks, but I'd rather let racist ass holes get away with saying a few things than risk allowing any form of government to trample on our most essential right.

Technically, if you look at the legal definition of harassment, putting up nooses or painting swastikas on someone's door is something someone should be charged for. Harassment, in simple terms, is the intent to intimidate or severely annoy others. It is a criminal offense, and the severity of the charges depend on the extent of the crime.

So, yes, the white kids in Jena should have been charged with a crime, considering the evidence suggests that they hung these nooses to intimidate the African American students at that school. And, that doesn't even get into the hate crime legislation which has been adopted by Congress, which would make these students pray for harassment charges.

While I understand the argument you're making, that has no merit in this argument. The white students violated the law, and to not be charged for harassment or committing a hate crime goes against federal law for both civilian and educational environments. Even if the DA believed that this was an issue of free speech (which he didn't, considering he's a racist slimeball), he acted outside of the duties of his profession and should be disbarred for not charging those white kids with a crime, when they should have been.

 

[amazingfantasy15]

I disagree with this, wholeheartedly. I've watched the slimeball DA from Jena speak on this topic, it is quite obvious that he was not acting within the context of the crime to charge these kids with attempted murder. There was no plan to kill these kids, the extent of the injuries did not go anywhere near murder-- the worst these kids should have been charged with was aggravated assault. And there was a good reason why it was aggravated assault: These white kids harassed these black kids by hanging nooses in a tree.

This DA has very little knowledge of the law, and his adamant defense of charging these kids with attempted murder shows that he truly believes the charges should stand.

I understand how you think that some people blow the race argument out of proportion, but seriously Matt, this goes way too far. If this incident took place in New Hampshire, these white kids would be charged with harassment and the African Americans would be charged with assault. Both groups of kids would have been suspended from school, and it would have been over within a week. An African American student would not be sitting in prison, waiting to be charged for attempted murder as an adult when there was no intent to murder those white kids.

Just really wanted to respond to the part in bold. The noose incident happened many months before the beating, it was a completely unrelated case. The white guy gotten beaten because of a comment he made about the black guys getting kicked out of a party the weekend before.

As for Imus, his explanation seems plausible, but he maybe should have made it more clear then and there.

As for Sharpton, I'd really wish he'd focus on all the violence here in Chicago, it seems every time I turn on the news some kid on the South or West side has been shot. However, it's minority on minority crime, not white on black crime so he doesn't get involved. An 8 year old was shot in the head in his car last night, Sharpton should forget about Imus and get all his followers looking for the prick that did this.

 

[terry78]

Imus' problem is that he didn't acknowledge the earlier reference, and the media is making it sound like he just said that, point blank. You need to watch that ****.

 

[Tag279]

Let's talk about Jena. Amazingfantasy15 is correct the noose hanging happened months earlier. The night before Mychel Bell and three of the other kids involved in the fight the next day were chased by a relative of the young man (who was an adult) that was beaten up with a 12-gauge from a convinience store.

You see a week prior Mychel bell was beasten up at a party. No major charges were filed against the three white kids that beat him up BTW.

When Bell and his freinds went into the store the relative of the young man that was beaten up at school the next day was in the parking lot. He chased Bell and three other black kids with a shot gun. Bell tripped his persuer and took the shot gun away from him and threy it in a ditch.

The next day at school the white young man who is the relative of the adult that chased Bell and the other kids with a shot gun mocked bell and called them N*****s. Bell slugged him and the melee started.

What is not mentioned is the fact that tere were three other white kids involved in the altercation. Yes the 6 black kids were wrong for beating up 1 white kid but they should not have been charged as adults.

You ask me how do I know all this. One of my closest freinds from college lives in Jena LA. She works at the school where all of this started.

 

[Marx]

Oh dear lord, not this again!

Imus is an idiot. So is Sharpton. And Jackson. And Wright.

I have absolutely zero respect for any of them.

 

[Scarlet spidey]

Imus is a politician?

 

[The Senator]

Imus is a politician?

Imus is a shock jock, but the controversy over his remarks falls in the realm of the political. This is the Political forum, not the politician forum.


(Also, I started this thread here because I wanted an actual discussion or debate over his comments, rather than five pages of "he grumbles like an idiot" or "kill whitey!" or the same asinine comments/ stupid attempts at humor I'd get in either the Celebrity or Community forums.)

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

I don't think Imus said anything wrong. Someone said Africa,he said black...everyone thinks that.

 

[The Senator]

I don't think Imus said anything wrong. Someone said Africa,he said black...everyone thinks that.

Um... that's not the problem? the problem was originally that he called a bunch of black girls "nappy headed hoes," and the problem now is that he questioned the "color" of this Pacman fellow. It has nothing to do with "African American vs. black."

 

[Scarlet spidey]

Imus is a shock jock, but the controversy over his remarks falls in the realm of the political. This is the Political forum, not the politician forum.


(Also, I started this thread here because I wanted an actual discussion or debate over his comments, rather than five pages of "he grumbles like an idiot" or "kill whitey!" or the same asinine comments/ stupid attempts at humor I'd get in either the Celebrity or Community forums.)

Fair enough.

 

[Matt]

Technically, if you look at the legal definition of harassment, putting up nooses or painting swastikas on someone's door is something someone should be charged for. Harassment, in simple terms, is the intent to intimidate or severely annoy others. It is a criminal offense, and the severity of the charges depend on the extent of the crime.

So, yes, the white kids in Jena should have been charged with a crime, considering the evidence suggests that they hung these nooses to intimidate the African American students at that school. And, that doesn't even get into the hate crime legislation which has been adopted by Congress, which would make these students pray for harassment charges.

While I understand the argument you're making, that has no merit in this argument. The white students violated the law, and to not be charged for harassment or committing a hate crime goes against federal law for both civilian and educational environments. Even if the DA believed that this was an issue of free speech (which he didn't, considering he's a racist slimeball), he acted outside of the duties of his profession and should be disbarred for not charging those white kids with a crime, when they should have been.

Just to clarify, I answered in a rush and for some reason I thought we were discussing hanging a swastika on one's own door. I agree, hanging a swastika on someone elses' door is harrassment. I realized you meant that when I was in the car, sorry.

As for the noose incident. I think at best it was vandalism of school property. If the school did not press charges, the DA could not step in.

 

[Tag279]

Just to clarify, I answered in a rush and for some reason I thought we were discussing hanging a swastika on one's own door. I agree, hanging a swastika on someone elses' door is harrassment. I realized you meant that when I was in the car, sorry.

As for the noose incident. I think at best it was vandalism of school property. If the school did not press charges, the DA could not step in.

The school did not press charges. The kids that hung the nooses got a warning. When tensions began to escalate the DA went to a school assembly and told the black kids that "I can end your lives with the stroke of a pen." One of the white kids involved with hanging the nooses was related to the DA.