Oh NOES!!!! WAR ON CHASTITY LOLZ!!!

[BlackLantern]

But *********ion is sex...

..it's pity sex....with yourself....crying is optional

 

[Gilpesh]

..it's pity sex....with yourself....crying is optional

Tears are nature's best lubrication.

 

[Moviefan2k4]

But *********ion is sex...

It's a sexual activity, but does not entail premarital sex, because it's a solo situation. And if it's done without lust, it's not a sin either. I personally believe it can be used to control the sex drive until marriage, at which point many (but not all) of God's boundaries are removed.

 

[Gilpesh]

*********ion-

1. the stimulation or manipulation of one's own genitals, esp. to orgasm; sexual self-gratification.

2. the stimulation, by manual or other means exclusive of coitus, of another's genitals, esp. to orgasm.

celibacy-

Abstinence from sexual intercourse, especially by reason of religious vows.

 

[chaseter]

It's a sexual activity, but does not entail premarital sex, because it's a solo situation. And if it's done without lust, it's not a sin either. I personally believe it can be used to control the sex drive until marriage, at which point many (but not all) of God's boundaries are removed.

You think *********ion is not a sin? WTF? Who on here can tug their junk without thinking of something sexual? Even if you don't *********e...you will have we dreams and what do you think you are dreaming of when it happens. Are dreams our fault because last time I checked we cannot control them.

 

[BlackLantern]

You think *********ion is not a sin? WTF? Who on here can tug their junk without thinking of something sexual? Even if you don't *********e...you will have we dreams and what do you think you are dreaming of when it happens. Are dreams our fault because last time I checked we cannot control them.

I actually think of the Dewey Decimal system....if you must know....918.718, 918.724...oh oh oooooo!!!!....

 

[chaseter]

To not reply this quick...moviefan must be scouring the Bible or asking his cult leader what he should say.

 

[The Senator]

Interesting how moviefan has nothing to add to what I said on the previous page.

Again, I declare, it is a simple case of shielding his bigotry with the Bible.

 

[Schlosser85]

I mean, God forbid we punish people for going out an beating someone to a bloody pulp only because the victim was a homosexual.

God forbid we allow transgendered persons a chance to move into an apartment without being discriminated against because they have had a sex change.

God forbid we don't allow corporations to fire people solely based on their sexuality or gender identity.

God forbid we allow people to LIVE THEIR LIVES fully and adequately.

God forbid we allow people to LOVE the person they love, without the fear of being exiled simply because of their physical attractions.

Yeah, tolerance is totally irresponsible

 

[chaseter]

Ahhh Joker made it in here!

 

[BlackLantern]

Interesting how moviefan has nothing to add to what I said on the previous page.

Again, I declare, it is a simple case of shielding his bigotry with the Bible.

as for chastity....do you think it's an outdated concept or what?

 

[psychocheeseman]

It's a sexual activity, but does not entail premarital sex, because it's a solo situation.

...but it is premarital sex... you're not married are you?

All sin is equal in God's eyes.

Please stop saying that, it makes it sound like you believe raping murdering and eating babies is the moral equivalent of premarital sex... And i doubt your belief system is that twisted..

Fine, allow me to spell it out for you then. If I'm wrong in what I believe, then God doesn't exist, and the Bible is a fraud. If that's the case, that means neither heaven nor hell exists, so there's no afterlife. Therefore, when my time is up, I have nothing to lose, because there's nothing after death to experience.

But you may have missed out on many wonderful experiences for nothing.

For example, do you actually want to have sex with beautiful women, regardless of how god feels? If you don't then it's lucky you have the god defense.... but if you do want to have sex with beautiful women before you die, and there isn't a god - well, you're really missing out!


I don't actually have a problem with people staying virgins till marriage - i think if it's something they believe in, and they have the will power, and are doing for the right reasons (ie not out of guilt or disgust with sex or fear of retribution from FSM) then it's commendable.

What i do have a problem with is the whole "Chastity ring" thing with young girls promising, to their fathers (and possibly God), to stay pure till marriage - It's a huge commitment to make, it reinforces negative ideas about sex being "dirty" or something to be ashamed of - which no doubt will have serious psychological effects on them in later life when they start feeling guilt for even having sexual urges. Plus it's a commitment they're likely to break, which may determine their relationship with their parents for life (as a promise breaker).

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

hold on this guy lives his life by the bible, yet says *********ion isn't a sin. must be nice to pick and mix on your beliefs what suits your needs

 

[Carcharodon]

It's a sexual activity, but does not entail premarital sex, because it's a solo situation. And if it's done without lust, it's not a sin either. I personally believe it can be used to control the sex drive until marriage, at which point many (but not all) of God's boundaries are removed.

Is that how you justify spanking it? Really? How about just realizing that God doesn't care whether or not you flog the dolphin?

 

[The Senator]

as for chastity....do you think it's an outdated concept or what?

It's a silly concept, to be quite honest.

I don't care if the Jonas brothers want to remain celibate (they won't, fame has a funny way of breaking 'sacred vows,' such as sex, drug use, and self-idolatry)... just like I don't care if someone wants to have sex with four different people in the course of twenty-four hours. It is their life, their responsibilities, their problem if they end up diseased/ impregnating the other person.

But really, why be self-righteous about your abstinence? Why feel the need to wear a "chastity ring"? It doesn't really tell me that the Jonas brothers are celibate; rather, it tells me that they are arrogant and at least one of them is going to be featured in a few monologues by Letterman or Conan.

 

[psychocheeseman]

God doesn't make mistakes, and He doesn't create people to be homosexual. Believe it or not, I don't care; it's the truth. If you really want answers to your situation, I'd suggest you try and examine your past for circumstances that might have played a role in your current way of life. Or, you could keep retorting in anger and frustration, which won't lead anywhere.

Yes, god doesn't make mistakes... see all those babies born with deformities .. that was their choice wasn't it...god couldn't have done that... damn babies should examine their lives to see where they were corrupted...

p.s i'm not implying homosexuality is a deformity, i was merely pointing out the problems in saying god doesn't make mistakes when the science clearly backs up the notion that homosexuals are born with those sexual preferences.

Plus, how can you hate homosexuality? I mean, have you seen two girls make out? it's Awesome!

[on the subject of lust free *********ion]

I was referring to the task of training the mind to focus elsewhere, rather than on lustful sources. Contrary to popular belief, lust and *********ion are actually separate. the way I see it, if one is capable of lust without *********ion, then why wouldn't the reverse be true as well?

So what do you think about when you're focusing elsewhere?
Keep in mind if you say baseball i am going to call you gay.

come to think of it... that would perhaps explain your apparent homophobia and strong anti gay stance....

is there something you're not telling us Moviefan?

 

[Moviefan2k4]

...but it is premarital sex... you're not married are you?

Scripture doesn't mention *********ion being wrong; all it says is that lust is sinful. Since people clearly have the capability to lust after someone without *********ing, why wouldn't it work the other way around, too? I haven't found anything in Scripture that says *********ion is wrong. The religious world condemns it like crazy, but there's no Biblical support to that view. And, for the record, I'm single.

Please stop saying that, it makes it sound like you believe raping murdering and eating babies is the moral equivalent of premarital sex... And i doubt your belief system is that twisted.

Even though each form of sin has differences with other forms, at theri core they all represent disobedience towards God. Therefore, they all carry the same punishment, unless the offender repents, and turns to Christ before they die. The popular "bell curve" of sin was invented by man, not God.

For example, do you actually want to have sex with beautiful women, regardless of how God feels?

Not regardless, no. I do want to meet, fall in love with, marry, and have sex with (in that order) a beautiful and Godly woman someday, but as noted, I'm trusting God for the strength to resist temptation, and abide by His standards. I'd rather have a successful, happy, Godly marriage than a temporary "shack-up" situation. I went down that road once; I'm not doing it again.

What i do have a problem with is the whole "Chastity ring" thing with young girls promising, to their fathers (and possibly God), to stay pure till marriage...it reinforces negative ideas about sex being "dirty" or something to be ashamed of...

How does a desire to remain pure reinforce negativity towards sex? Not everyone who chooses to abstain believes sex is filthy or evil. Some of us recognize that God created it to be good, but He also commands us to respect the context He created for it.

...which no doubt will have serious psychological effects on them in later life when they start feeling guilt for even having sexual urges.

Sadly, the modern religious world has largely used fear and opression to fuel that "false guilt" (as I call it) for decades, if not centuries. Sexual desires in and of themselves were created by God as good, but the world system has perverted it with such things as pornography and prostitution. The rising "sex factor" in the media hasn't helped the situation any, either.

Plus it's a commitment they're likely to break, which may determine their relationship with their parents for life (as a promise breaker).

While everyone has free will, not every person who chooses abstinence breaks it. Recent studies have shown that nearly 50% of those who make chastity pledges remain virgins until marriage. I look forward to the day when that figure represents the majority.

 

[Moviefan2k4]

So what do you think about when you're focusing elsewhere?

Lately, I've been training my mind to focus on the fact that God, not the world, created my sexual desires, and I've stopped condemning myself for them. I also bear in mind that God permits this kind of release (so long as its not lustful) for people to control themselves until they marry. So, I remain thankful to Him for the fact that I don't have to lust, view porn, or anything else like that; I can keep my mind and heart set on His ways, rather than my own. It's not easy sometimes, but the after-effects are a heck of a lot better than endless hours of shame and fear.

 

[Moviefan2k4]

...see all those babies born with deformities .. that was their choice wasn't it...

I'm no doctor, so I can't say for sure why some children are born deformed, because I honestly don't know.

 

[Carcharodon]

I'm no doctor, so I can't say for sure why some children are born deformed, because I honestly don't know.

Some deformities are "random" deformation that are the result of errors in early mitosis and/or mutation. In many cases these cannot be avoided by the mother or, obviously, the child.

But way to sidestep the question.

 

[The Senator]

Lately, I've been training my mind to focus on the fact that God, not the world, created my sexual desires, and I've stopped condemning myself for them. I also bear in mind that God permits this kind of release (so long as its not lustful) for people to control themselves until they marry. So, I remain thankful to Him for the fact that I don't have to lust, view porn, or anything else like that; I can keep my mind and heart set on His ways, rather than my own. It's not easy sometimes, but the after-effects are a heck of a lot better than endless hours of shame and fear.

Excuse me, but how does God permit us to *********e?

I mean, isn't thinking about having sex just as bad as having sex with someone anyway? Isn't that the equivalent of "mental rape," to envision someone whom you are not in a committed relationship with *********ing?

Seriously... you cannot tell me, that you just "do it" and don't think about anything sexual in the process. And don't tell me that it isn't ****ed up at all to think about God and heaven when you are getting off, that you are thinking about God's promise in the process over a woman (or man... as you have stated before, you have had 'urges' towards men, no?) or anything sexual at all.

 

[The Senator]

I'm no doctor, so I can't say for sure why some children are born deformed, because I honestly don't know.

But you agree that a child does not choose to be deformed, correct?

Just like homosexuals don't choose to be gay, if they are indeed born that way?

 

[BlackLantern]

You should see the crap that goes on in my head while I'm "meditating"....last night was a 4 way involving Ann Coulter, Michele Malkin, Arianna Huffington, a whole lot of whip cream, a hobby horse, a 9 iron, and a waterbed.....

 

[Arcturus]

I don't mean to be off-topic, but I am positive there is another thread dedicated to religious debate.

 

[Carcharodon]

I don't mean to be off-topic, but I am positive there is another thread dedicated to religious debate.

Your point being? The thread is still on-topic.