Oh NOES!!!! WAR ON CHASTITY LOLZ!!!

[Mr Sparkle]

I'd heard of those things, but I don't recall hearing of any "intersexed" births being a reality until JMan mentioned it

my point is, that since everything happens because of god's will (him being omnipotent and all) means that he makes these babies

1.- suffer
2.- in some cases grow up to be gay, hence he has a plan for them, who are you to question his will?

 

[Schlosser85]

No, because intersexed births (from your description) is a matter which involves the physical characteristics of the child born.

Having characteristics of both genders runs deeper than just physical, it also effects their hormones and sense of gender identity and can cause a lot of confusion for the individual in question.

Homosexuality, being a professed sexual desire towards someone of the same sex, is a choice.

Is heterosexuality a choice? Do straight people make the decision to be straight?

There's never been any conclusive proof that being gay is a genetic trait, and I highly doubt there ever will.

There has been plenty of evidence to suggest there is a genetic component to the root cause of homosexuality, but conservatives refuse to acknowledge it. And there is no "conclusive proof" of homosexuality being a choice, but that doesn't stop you and plenty of other heterosexuals who appoint themselves as experts on a subject they have no way of being experts on from stating it as fact.

 

[The Senator]

No, because intersexed births (from your description) is a matter which involves the physical characteristics of the child born. Homosexuality, being a professed sexual desire towards someone of the same sex, is a choice. There's never been any conclusive proof that being gay is a genetic trait, and I highly doubt there ever will.

Actually, being intersexed involves both physical characteristics and genetic/ biological characteristics.

So, again, I ask: If intersexed individuals can be born sexually ambiguous via biological traits, then can't homosexuals be born gay via similar biological traits?

 

[The Senator]

I'd heard of those things, but I don't recall hearing of any "intersexed" births being a reality until JMan mentioned it

What, did you think this stuff was the foundation of science fiction?

Did you think that Jeffrey Eugenides just made up the condition as a premise of his Pulitzer Prize-winning novel, Middlesex? Which gained considerable publicity as a part of Oprah's book club?

Did you totally disappear for the months that the mainstream media questioned whether Jamie Lee Curtis was intersex?

How about the few months where "South Park" received controversy for portraying Eric Cartman's mother as an intersexed individual?

I mean, intersexuality has been fairly prominent in the past decade, so for you to not realize that such a thing existed until now sort of... proves how sheltered a life you lead.

 

[Moviefan2k4]

Actually, being intersexed involves both physical characteristics and genetic/ biological characteristics.

So, again, I ask: If intersexed individuals can be born sexually ambiguous via biological traits, then can't homosexuals be born gay via similar biological traits?

No, because if that were the case, it'd (presumably) be irreversible, and I've heard of gays who turned away from that life, and formed joyful heterosexual relationships.

 

[The Senator]

Hey, Moviefan: I decided to be gay when you decided to be heterosexual

 

[Moviefan2k4]

Did you think that Jeffrey Eugenides just made up the condition as a premise of his Pulitzer Prize-winning novel, Middlesex? Which gained considerable publicity as a part of Oprah's book club?

I never heard of that author or his book, and I don't watch Oprah on a regular basis.

Did you totally disappear for the months that the mainstream media questioned whether Jamie Lee Curtis was intersex?

Like the situation above, I never heard of that before.

How about the few months where "South Park" received controversy for portraying Eric Cartman's mother as an intersexed individual?

I don't watch "South Park".

 

[The Senator]

No, because if that were the case, it'd (presumably) be irreversible, and I've heard of gays who turned away from that life, and formed joyful heterosexual relationships.

Ah, but there's the kicker, isn't it?

Intersex isn't defined as a gender. Meaning you have characteristics of both genders-- which means that, at any point in your life, you may experience life as a woman, or as a man, and therefore conforming yourself to one gender may damn well be impossible. Which is why many intersexed individuals also belong to the "gender queer" community, where they do not consider themselves a part of any set gender and present themselves as either a man, a woman, or a mixture of both at several different points in their life. Granted, not all intersexed individuals are gender queer, the majority of them do conform themselves to one gender. Sometimes it is even the gender their parents decide for them, such as Jamie Lee Curtis, who has lived her life fully as a woman.

So, then, couldn't it be argued that some homosexuals can easily switch their sexual orientation, because certain biological aspects of homosexuality do not conform to one orientation? Therefore, they are not necessarily homosexuals, but are "bisexual" or "pansexual?"

 

[The Senator]

I never heard of that author or his book, and I don't watch Oprah on a regular basis.

Like the situation above, I never heard of that before.

I don't watch "South Park".

Well you didn't need to watch any of those programs or even watch the news, all you had to do was crack open a newspaper or at least keep somewhat culturally relevant.

But preaching religion on a message board is far too time consuming for news, right?

 

[Moviefan2k4]

What the heck is pansexual?

 

[Moviefan2k4]

Well you didn't need to watch any of those programs or even watch the news, all you had to do was crack open a newspaper or at least keep somewhat culturally relevant.

I rarely read the newspaper, and I quit watching the TV news because I didn't want to constantly hear "she got shot, he got stabbed, they got executed, these over here got robbed..." It just got too depressing.

 

[The Senator]

What the heck is pansexual?

First of all, there is this search engine thing they call "Google" where you can type in the phrase you are unsure of in order to learn more about it.

But, heck, I love educating people on this topic, so here it goes:

Pansexuality is a sexual orientation characterized by the potential for aesthetic attraction, romantic love, and/or sexual desire for people, regardless of their gender identity or biological sex. Thus, pansexuality includes potential attraction to people (such as transgender individuals) who do not fit into the gender binary of male/female. Some pansexuals suggest that they are gender-blind; that gender and sex are insignificant or irrelevant in determining whether they will be sexually attracted to others.

Voila.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

No, because if that were the case, it'd (presumably) be irreversible, and I've heard of gays who turned away from that life, and formed joyful heterosexual relationships.

where have you "heard" this and what makes you sure that they are "joyful" how exactly did you miss the fact that people can be born Hermaphrodites and yet hear about these improbable things about Gay people turning straight on a whim?

 

[Moviefan2k4]

Pansexuality is a sexual orientation characterized by the potential for aesthetic attraction, romantic love, and/or sexual desire for people, regardless of their gender identity or biological sex. Thus, pansexuality includes potential attraction to people (such as transgender individuals) who do not fit into the gender binary of male/female. Some pansexuals suggest that they are gender-blind; that gender and sex are insignificant or irrelevant in determining whether they will be sexually attracted to others.

That sounds very weird to me.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

my point is, that since everything happens because of god's will (him being omnipotent and all) means that he makes these babies

1.- suffer
2.- in some cases grow up to be gay, hence he has a plan for them, who are you to question his will?

ahem

 

[Gilpesh]

That sounds very weird to me.

Can't hide behind your bible on that one?

Uh oh

 

[The Senator]

That sounds very weird to me.

Cool

I mean, I don't care if you think it is weird, it is a sexual orientation where people are attracted to anyone and gender is not a mitigating factor in that sexual attraction.

So, whereabouts is your answer to the question I originally presented?

 

[Moviefan2k4]

So, then, couldn't it be argued that some homosexuals can easily switch their sexual orientation, because certain biological aspects of homosexuality do not conform to one orientation?

From that article about chromosomes that was posted, there's no conclusive evidence to prove that sexual orientation is biological in nature; therefore, your question is moot.

 

[The Senator]

From that article about chromosomes that was posted, there's no conclusive evidence to prove that sexual orientation is biological in nature; therefore, your question is moot.

Yes, but from my own experiences and my own sexual attractions, there is no conclusive evidence which proves that my homosexuality was a choice.

So your argument is moot, also.

Not to mention, I didn't reference the article in my original question; I tied it back to the intersex debate. If someone can be born with an ambiguous gender, or switch genders through biological error, than couldn't homosexuals be able to do the same thing in regards to sexual orientation? What if homosexuality is a "biological error" (for lack of a better term) and there is nothing any gay person can do about it?

 

[Mr Sparkle]

From that article about chromosomes that was posted, there's no conclusive evidence to prove that sexual orientation is biological in nature; therefore, your question is moot.

as opposed of course to all the evidence you presented.

oh wait....
you just said you "heard" about Gay people going straight.
so I guess you have NO leg to stand on do you?
I mean, there's no conclusive evidence in Jman's claim but there's no evidence at all on your side.

so.....he wins.

 

[Schlosser85]

Given that homosexuality also occurs in the animal kingdom, as evidenced by the two male penguins in the zoo in Berlin who avoid the females and built a nest together and include a rock as their surrogate egg which they take turns sitting on, and monkies and apes which have been observed engaging in pretty much every form of sexual behavior, it seems likely that it occurs naturally in a certain segment of the population of each species as a form of population control...gay animals don't reproduce. Of course, due to the wonders of artificial insemination and surrogate parents, gay humans can get around this and reproduce without physically having sex with someone of the opposite gender as animals have to.

Needless to say, this would make the endless debate about the immorality of homosexuality rather.....silly, to make the understatement of the millenium. I could use much harsher words to describe the way discrimination and hatred on the basis of something so irrelevant to a person's character or abilities as who they find attractive has ruined the lives of an inestimable number of men, women, and children.

 

[chaseter]

Everyone is forgetting moviefan dodged his *********ion comment

 

[Moviefan2k4]

I've explainewd that several times before, Chaseter; I'm not going into it again. Typing the same responses to repeated questions over and over is a pain in the neck.

 

[chaseter]

You think *********ion is not a sin? WTF? Who on here can tug their junk without thinking of something sexual? Even if you don't *********e...you will have we dreams and what do you think you are dreaming of when it happens. Are dreams our fault because last time I checked we cannot control them.

I've explainewd that several times before, Chaseter; I'm not going into it again. Typing the same responses to repeated questions over and over is a pain in the neck.

No you have not And if it gets tired typing the same response...then you would have been tired a loooooong time ago

 

[The Senator]

Oh, and here's a question which seems to have been devouring my brain this evening:

How do we know that God has a sexual orientation? I mean, isn't he asexual, considering he created all of us from magic? So then, how do we know that heterosexuals, homosexuals, bisexuals, pansexuals, etc. are not created in his image?

If he truly created us in his image, why weren't we given godlike powers as well? Why even give us the need to reproduce, or give us any sort of sexuality whatsoever?