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What about a civil war style cameo for Reed or Johnny in another mcu movie prior to the standalone movie just to gauge the reaction?

Cameo's won't have any serious effect on when they will release the film. A well-received cameo is completely different to a well-received film. We also don't know which member's will cameo in what film. They likely will not have a significant cameo until 2020.
 
What about a civil war style cameo for Reed or Johnny in another mcu movie prior to the standalone movie just to gauge the reaction?

Hank Pym: Scott, Hope, this our new associate. One of my students from some time back. Reed?

*heroic theme swells*

Reed Richards: hi, I’m Reed Richards.
 
Why would you feel insulted because those comic writers had bad ideas?

Reed has not demonstrated characteristics of autism in any meaningful way over the past 50+ years.

Autism is much more complex than simple social awkwardness, and there are specific, clearly defined characteristics of autism that Reed has never demonstrated.

Reed's "social awkwardness" is not because of an inability to understand other people. He's the smartest person in the universe. He understands other people, but he doesn't have the patience or interest in their feelings when there are bigger things to deal with.

There's speculation Carl Sagan had Aspergers (arguably the closest real-life scientist to Reed's personality).

I'm not saying Reed having it is fact, but it's not a crazy thing to believe.
 
Don't see what's so funny. Matt could easily play that kind of role. He basically does it in Doctor Who already. A Reed who is frustrated by how slow others are

That's the problem. He'd just be playing the Doctor again, but this time with a bad American accent.
 
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Regardless of whether or not MCU Reed is diagnosed in-film with a real life psychological/developmental condition, I think it is important to explain the problems that he does have in regards to relating to and empathizing with "normal" people. That's something that hasn't been explored before and really sets him apart as a character.
 
Does Sherlock Holmes have autism? Because he sometimes has trouble relating to "normal" people too. However, I don't know that he would be diagnosed with that. He is so much more intelligent and sharper than others and operates on a different level.

Reed is somewhat like that. But it's more that geniuses find others operating too slowly for them. Plus they don't always enjoy small talk.
 
Don't see what's so funny. Matt could easily play that kind of role. He basically does it in Doctor Who already. A Reed who is frustrated by how slow others are

I just like that y’all illustrated the concept with a comic panel where he shoots a kid with a laser.
 
Its worth noting Matt Smith has been cast in Episode IX. Now being part of the Disney family. Theres an even higher chance of him getting the mr fantastic role. Disney likes to reuse actors.
 
He’ll be the villain in Doctor Strange 2.
 
Also may have been already suggested but I got the perfect casting for Ben Grimm. The guy who plays the sheriff on stranger things. David Harbour.

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He’ll be the villain in Doctor Strange 2.

As cool as it would be to see him as nightmare i dont want matt wasted on a one off.

Lars Mikkelsen Mads Mikkelsens brother would be amazing for Nightmare.
 
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That's the problem. He'd just be playing the Doctor again, but this time with a bad American accent.
Well, for one - Reed Richards isn't the doctor. He just has similar qualities to the Reed you described. Which makes Matt a good fit. Plus he's currently in a relationship (not married) with Lily James who is a popular choice for Sue.

And dialogue coaches exist for a reason. You think he wouldn't refine and improve his American accent by the time he does F4? Because would. That's a non-issue imo
 
I love Harbour for Ben, but is anyone else gonna point out that he's currently playing a whole other head-to-toe-prosthetics-with-a-rock-hard-fist superhero? Just me? 'Kay.

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Well, for one - Reed Richards isn't the doctor. He just has similar qualities to the Reed you described. Which makes Matt a good fit. Plus he's currently in a relationship (not married) with Lily James who is a popular choice for Sue.

And dialogue coaches exist for a reason. You think he wouldn't refine and improve his American accent by the time he does F4? Because would. That's a non-issue imo

Popular choice by who? Some random dudes in a forum? I havent seen James suggested anywhere else for Sue. All i see is Blunt. You call it popular choice by projection?
 
I love Harbour for Ben, but is anyone else gonna point out that he's currently playing a whole other head-to-toe-prosthetics-with-a-rock-hard-fist superhero? Just me? 'Kay.

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I wonder what happened to that movie. Loved the original Hellboy comics growing up. But yes, I think this makes like the idea of him as Ben even more
Popular choice by who? Some random dudes in a forum? I havent seen James suggested anywhere else for Sue. All i see is Blunt. You call it popular choice by projection?

Probably, yeah. Popular choice here on this forum, I mean. I still don't get the infatuation of Blunt as Sue. I try hard as I can to warm up to her but I just can't. So many better choices out there
 
What do you think? Could this work?


Matt Smith - Reed (Reed is a very Doctor esq character but is different enough to stretch his legs so he doesnt get bored and give this man a franchise already!)

Karren Gillan - Sue (Wouldnt matter that she played Nebula as it was all prosthetics and CG anyway nobody would recognize her or know her as nebula outside the core fans, and there will be a few years between avengers 4 and f4 anyway plus I dont think Nebula will make it past A4)

Dylan O'Brien - Johnny (Missed out on Spiderman guy deserves a break most agree I think he should be the youngest of the group would work well with Holland since we all know Human Torch is teaming up with Spidey at some stage)

David Harbour - Ben Grimm ( I liks the idea of Grimm and Reed being the oldest of the group Harbour plays a police Chief in stranger things I feel he would help keep the team focused and in line and work well with Matt)
 
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:huh: Don't know if that post is referring to me. It comes directly after mine. But EBR refers to Emily Bett Rickards not Evan Rachel Wood.

Oh my gosh I’m so stupid. Sorry about that. I just got a new glasses subscription and I think I might need to go back and get a new one lol

John Cena as Invisible Woman. :woot:

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John Cena as reed Richards



Never saw Peter as autistic, while Reed has been read that way by people and it has been confirmed in a couple (non canon) books.

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1,2,3,4 is canon isn’t it? I would like to see more of a mr fantastic with Aspergers. Lots of people in society have Aspergers and families and they’re not “weird” or anything like that. It doesn’t always have to be a rain man type thing and it would explain why Ben Grimm wanted to take him under his wing a bit.

Matt Smith could do that

Well marvel might want to get in touch with him now because when the Star Wars fans get a hold of him they’re going to run him off the planet
 
There's speculation Carl Sagan had Aspergers (arguably the closest real-life scientist to Reed's personality).

I'm not saying Reed having it is fact, but it's not a crazy thing to believe.

I love Carl Sagan. I grew up with both Carl Sagan and Reed Richards.

I never saw the slightest similarity between them.

Reed Richards would not have wasted his time hosting a TV show.
 
I think there's a danger of dismissing anyone who is more introverted or even more intellectual as being autistic or having Asperger's. Not everyone has to be super outgoing. Nor should it be the case that if you aren't, then suddenly there's something not quite right about you.

Even if you are socially awkward, that doesn't make you autistic either. It's not like there are only extroverts and then those with autism. That's how people started to come up with the idea of having an autistic Peter Parker as well for Homecoming, and thinking Asa Butterfield in X+Y was an accurate portrayal of him, just because Peter was more of a loner and was more shy during his high school years.

In all the classic FF comics, Reed was certainly genius level and thought more quickly than everyone else. But he never came across as if he were so socially awkward or unable to relate to people.

Did he lock himself away in his lab for long periods at a time and isolate himself? Sure. But so did Tony Stark, sometimes for weeks on end.

Reed still seemed confident and sure of himself socially and was a man of action and adventure. That's why I saw him more like Indiana Jones or Doc Savage rather than someone like the Professor on Gilligan's Island or Carl Sagan or John Nash (from a Beautiful Mind), or any other more nerdy type.
 
People interpret things differently. While one person may not read him as autistic, another may. Both interpretations are valid.
 
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I think there's a danger of dismissing anyone who is more introverted or even more intellectual as being autistic or having Asperger's. Not everyone has to be super outgoing. Nor should it be the case that if you aren't, then suddenly there's something not quite right about you.

Even if you are socially awkward, that doesn't make you autistic either. It's not like there are only extroverts and then those with autism. That's how people started to come up with the idea of having an autistic Peter Parker as well for Homecoming, and thinking Asa Butterfield in X+Y was an accurate portrayal of him, just because Peter was more of a loner and was more shy during his high school years.

In all the classic FF comics, Reed was certainly genius level and thought more quickly than everyone else. But he never came across as if he were so socially awkward or unable to relate to people.

Did he lock himself away in his lab for long periods at a time and isolate himself? Sure. But so did Tony Stark, sometimes for weeks on end.

Reed still seemed confident and sure of himself socially and was a man of action and adventure. That's why I saw him more like Indiana Jones or Doc Savage rather than someone like the Professor on Gilligan's Island or Carl Sagan or John Nash (from a Beautiful Mind), or any other more nerdy type.


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There are a number of things wrong with the concept:

1. It mischaracterizes autistic people.

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An autistic person could have those characteristics, but they're not the key, defining characteristics of someone with autism. That description could just as easily be applied to someone who is a sociopath. I have one nephew who is autistic and one who has Asperger's, and that description doesn't describe them at all. Not even close.

Those are cherry-picked characteristics by a writer who is trying to force something they think is clever. They're not actually describing what autism is really like.

2. As you state, it falsely leads to the perception that anyone who is socially awkward or has social anxiety is on the spectrum and that isn't true and, again, is a misrepresentation of autism.

3. Reed is adventurous and not afraid to go out of his comfort zone. He only locks himself in the lab when the world is in peril and needs to really figure something out. Other times, he's pushing boundaries. It's not about "solitary interests" it's about things that will save the world, or, in calmer times, make the world a better place. Reed is a hero. Heroes don't pursue solitary interests.

4. Reed as the awkward geek was one of the biggest problems with the 2005 film. That tired cliche that super-intelligent people are also necessarily geeks needs to be put to rest.
 
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